Trump the "Magician"

[Smellin Coffee]

Yep. Create a disturbance (those unpatriotic "sons of b**ches!) only to empower government by prying into their personal media searches of its inhabitants and even some legal citizens!

Oh, it's just a "disturbance"?

I thought bringing attention to the evil of racism was rilly rilly rilly important?

The "disturbance" I was talking about was Trump's commentary drawing attention to the matter so he can sabotage without much distraction.

C'mon, You are smarter than that, or are you trying to deflect like "the Magician"?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

He has his own personal religion. He decides what's true and what's not true, based on...what he personally prefers.
Halumaluger!

Ummm...

There is more than one hermeneutical principle. Sola Scriptura is not the only one. Besides Soli Traditio, take a look at Solus Christus.

But then again, your hermeneutic lets you mandate others, even unbelievers, subject to your interpretive standards. So basically, you have the opportunity to bypass "the priesthood of the believer" for individual interpretation and you get to bash those with whom you disagree.

To the early church, as to the Orthodox Church today, tradition as the context of Scripture implied that Scripture is not self-referential in that it is not its own interpretive principle: the meaning and authority of scripture is Christ who is its hermeneutic principle. Christ is himself the truth (cf. John 14:6). The first thing to note is that scripture?s meaning is profoundly personal, which is to say that the question is not what scripture means, so much as to whom it refers. Evidence for this can be found in Acts chapter 8 in Philip?s interaction with the Ethiopian eunuch, who asks not what scripture meant (this is how we moderns tend to pose the question) but rather asks ?of whom does the prophet [Isaiah] say this, of himself or some other man?? Secondly, this person of whom the prophet speaks is not only the subject of scripture but also its interpreter. How do we know this? The hermeneutic principle is established by Christ himself, as recorded in the Gospels of John and Luke. In John 5:39 Jesus counters the unbelieving Jews, saying ?You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life, yet it is they that witness to Me,? and in verse 46 John records Jesus to say, ?if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.? It is important to note that this was not at all clear to the disciples until after the resurrection, and not until after the risen Christ himself taught them the meaning of the scriptures. The entire collection of New Testament writings is written from post-resurrection revelation, an inspired reflection of what was witnessed?the meaning of events, the significance of encounters with Christ, his parables and miracles: all these were understood only after the resurrection. In the Gospel of Luke it was the crucified and risen Christ who opened the eyes of the disciples on the Road to Emmaus, as recorded in Luke 24:27 ?beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself,? and in verse 44 Jesus said, ?all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.? The Old Testament remained a closed book until Jesus provided the hermeneutic key to unseal its meaning. The risen Christ reveals to his disciples that the scriptures are about him; and furthermore, it was necessary for the risen Christ himself to teach the disciples how to understand the scriptures. Jesus? paideia demonstrates that interpretation and meaning resides neither in text nor in tradition. If it were otherwise, the disciples would not have required Christ?s instruction, as perspicuity of the text would have left no room for doubt and confusion; the meaning of the Mosaic tradition would have been self-evident to all. The disciples? account, however, indicates that only after having been taught by Christ himself were they empowered by the Holy Spirit with divine authority to carry the good news to the ends of the world. We see this post-resurrection Pentecost transformation at work in the book of Acts, such as in Peter?s famous sermon as recorded in Acts chapter 2. In a surprise move the once timid and oblivious Peter by way of Christ?s hermeneutic boldly expounds Moses and the Prophets and proclaims that, ?God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ.? There is ample evidence that the ?Christ hermeneutic? did not change after the close of the apostolic period; the same exposition of scripture is encountered as early as circa 110 AD in the writing of Ignatius of Antioch in the Epistle to the Philadelphians about the Prophets foretelling of Christ and the Gospel.

The Christ hermeneutic as taught by Christ to the disciples unseals scripture and is faithfully traditioned to their successors. Solus Christus understood this way does not preclude the ordained hierarchy which functions in a specific role dedicated and entrusted to lead the church.

Christ the Interpreter is the principle of tradition as the context of scripture.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Please give the tin hat back to the dog in your profile icon.

Perhaps "ethics" like this is why I have become EXvangelical.

Again....wow......you've been had.
Perhaps you've been spoiled. Col.2:8

You might want to rethink this idea.

"...spoiled by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits[a] of the world, and not according to Christ."

I am pointing out the hypocrisy of voting for, supporting and abetting a narcissistic, sexual predator and the hypocrisy of Evangelicals to invite him to be the keynote speaker at a VALUES conference. Just about everything he exudes is anti-Christ. So using your Scripture in your context, Christ WOULD support a sex predator, speaking at a press conference that exists to attempt to mainstream moral values.

I think John the Baptist would rather stand up to predatory behavior and lose his head than to ask Herod to preach at his next revival.

Yet another reason I have become EXvangelical.

 

[fishinnut]

Please give the tin hat back to the dog in your profile icon.

Perhaps "ethics" like this is why I have become EXvangelical.

Again....wow......you've been had.
Perhaps you've been spoiled. Col.2:8

You might want to rethink this idea.

"...spoiled by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits[a] of the world, and not according to Christ."

I am pointing out the hypocrisy of voting for, supporting and abetting a narcissistic, sexual predator and the hypocrisy of Evangelicals to invite him to be the keynote speaker at a VALUES conference. Just about everything he exudes is anti-Christ. So using your Scripture in your context, Christ WOULD support a sex predator, speaking at a press conference that exists to attempt to mainstream moral values.

I think John the Baptist would rather stand up to predatory behavior and lose his head than to ask Herod to preach at his next revival.

Yet another reason I have become EXvangelical.

I was not referring to your radical far-left opinions of the sitting President. I was referring to how you came to those conclusions.

Over & out of this thread.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

I was not referring to your radical far-left opinions of the sitting President. I was referring to how you came to those conclusions.

Over & out of this thread.

Point duly noted. But if being "radical far-left" means we should not have a sex predator in the White House and certainly not a serial adulterer/predator/narcissist propped up and supported because "the end justifies the means", then count me in the "radical far-left" crowd.

So standing for morality and opposing predatory behavior is a matter of being a leftist! Cool! Oh look! There's John the Baptist in my group!

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

He has his own personal religion. He decides what's true and what's not true, based on...what he personally prefers.
Halumaluger!

Ummm...

There is more than one hermeneutical principle. Sola Scriptura is not the only one. Besides Soli Traditio, take a look at Solus Christus.

But then again, your hermeneutic lets you mandate others, even unbelievers, subject to your interpretive standards. So basically, you have the opportunity to bypass "the priesthood of the believer" for individual interpretation and you get to bash those with whom you disagree.

To the early church, as to the Orthodox Church today, tradition as the context of Scripture implied that Scripture is not self-referential in that it is not its own interpretive principle: the meaning and authority of scripture is Christ who is its hermeneutic principle. Christ is himself the truth (cf. John 14:6). The first thing to note is that scripture?s meaning is profoundly personal, which is to say that the question is not what scripture means, so much as to whom it refers. Evidence for this can be found in Acts chapter 8 in Philip?s interaction with the Ethiopian eunuch, who asks not what scripture meant (this is how we moderns tend to pose the question) but rather asks ?of whom does the prophet [Isaiah] say this, of himself or some other man?? Secondly, this person of whom the prophet speaks is not only the subject of scripture but also its interpreter. How do we know this? The hermeneutic principle is established by Christ himself, as recorded in the Gospels of John and Luke. In John 5:39 Jesus counters the unbelieving Jews, saying ?You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life, yet it is they that witness to Me,? and in verse 46 John records Jesus to say, ?if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.? It is important to note that this was not at all clear to the disciples until after the resurrection, and not until after the risen Christ himself taught them the meaning of the scriptures. The entire collection of New Testament writings is written from post-resurrection revelation, an inspired reflection of what was witnessed?the meaning of events, the significance of encounters with Christ, his parables and miracles: all these were understood only after the resurrection. In the Gospel of Luke it was the crucified and risen Christ who opened the eyes of the disciples on the Road to Emmaus, as recorded in Luke 24:27 ?beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself,? and in verse 44 Jesus said, ?all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.? The Old Testament remained a closed book until Jesus provided the hermeneutic key to unseal its meaning. The risen Christ reveals to his disciples that the scriptures are about him; and furthermore, it was necessary for the risen Christ himself to teach the disciples how to understand the scriptures. Jesus? paideia demonstrates that interpretation and meaning resides neither in text nor in tradition. If it were otherwise, the disciples would not have required Christ?s instruction, as perspicuity of the text would have left no room for doubt and confusion; the meaning of the Mosaic tradition would have been self-evident to all. The disciples? account, however, indicates that only after having been taught by Christ himself were they empowered by the Holy Spirit with divine authority to carry the good news to the ends of the world. We see this post-resurrection Pentecost transformation at work in the book of Acts, such as in Peter?s famous sermon as recorded in Acts chapter 2. In a surprise move the once timid and oblivious Peter by way of Christ?s hermeneutic boldly expounds Moses and the Prophets and proclaims that, ?God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ.? There is ample evidence that the ?Christ hermeneutic? did not change after the close of the apostolic period; the same exposition of scripture is encountered as early as circa 110 AD in the writing of Ignatius of Antioch in the Epistle to the Philadelphians about the Prophets foretelling of Christ and the Gospel.

The Christ hermeneutic as taught by Christ to the disciples unseals scripture and is faithfully traditioned to their successors. Solus Christus understood this way does not preclude the ordained hierarchy which functions in a specific role dedicated and entrusted to lead the church.

Christ the Interpreter is the principle of tradition as the context of scripture.

See what I mean?
Smellin is the Grand Phoo-bah of his own religion.
Elmer Fudd is their patron saint!

 

[Ransom]

I don't have time to argue statistics but that aside, what does this have to do with Evangelicals having an admitted sexual predator speak at their "values" conference?

Maybe his pony just does more tricks than yours.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

See what I mean?
Smellin is the Grand Phoo-bah of his own religion.
Elmer Fudd is their patron saint!

Yep. It sucks dealing with someone who chooses to think for himself. People like us are harder to control and won't likely bow to your "spiritual" authoritarianism.

Wait, was Elmer for or against gun control?

 

[Ransom]

It sucks dealing with someone who chooses to think for himself.

It's cute that you think we don't know inserting "Trump is a sexual predator" into every conversation is a leftard macro, not something you thought up for yourself.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

It sucks dealing with someone who chooses to think for himself.

It's cute that you think we don't know inserting "Trump is a sexual predator" into every conversation is a leftard macro, not something you thought up for yourself.

I voted for a Republican presidential candidate but not him. Ya know why???

Hmmmm...

He IS an admitted sexual predator to which the so-called "moral" party voted him as their chief. He IS a serial adulterer, the very thing for which the Religious Right bashed Clinton. Of course I'm going to bring it up. Why? It shows the hypocrisy of the Religious Right, through and through. It continues to prick the conscience for some and I want them to realize that Republican politics is their true religion, that they would sacrifice their own morals to elect a perv who demeans the minority, the disabled, the immigrant - those loved by my Creator.

Trump is now the face of Evangelicalism to the world whether Evangelicals believe it or not.

Evangelicalism is now in bed with Caesar and I am still going to call it out, whether it is something "I thought up for myself" or not.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

It sucks dealing with someone who chooses to think for himself.

It's cute that you think we don't know inserting "Trump is a sexual predator" into every conversation is a leftard macro, not something you thought up for yourself.

I voted for a Republican presidential candidate but not him. Ya know why???

Hmmmm...

He IS an admitted sexual predator to which the so-called "moral" party voted him as their chief. He IS a serial adulterer, the very thing for which the Religious Right bashed Clinton. Of course I'm going to bring it up. Why? It shows the hypocrisy of the Religious Right, through and through. It continues to prick the conscience for some and I want them to realize that Republican politics is their true religion, that they would sacrifice their own morals to elect a perv who demeans the minority, the disadbled, the immigrant - those loved by my Creator.

Trump is now the face of Evangelicalism to the world whether Evangelicals believe it or not.

Evangelicalism is now in bed with Caesar and I am still going to call it out, whether it is something "I thought up for myself" or not.

You have been schooled Ransom...Trump now represents you around the world...you Evangelical, you...

Join Smellin?s religion...start by saying 5 hail Elmer?s.

 

[sword]

For a president who can't seem to get much done, the country seems to be doing pretty well.
Stock market the highest it has ever been
Unemployment number since 2001
New job creation is through the roof
Tons of economic growth killing regulations eliminated
Large reduction of border crossings
Trumps (ICE) deported 210,000 Illegals in fiscal year 2017 (Oct 2016 - Oct 2017) which i far less than the 410,000 Obama deported in 2012
Killed the US job killing TPP
Consumer confidence the highest its been in a decade or more
Corporate earnings are soaring
Real wages are starting to rise for the first time in years.

I don't have time to argue statistics but that aside, what does this have to do with Evangelicals having an admitted sexual predator speak at their "values" conference?
Also, for a pro-life stance, it sure is odd they are for sending illegals back, many to be killed in their own countries rather than try to find a way to legalize them. Not to mention, the assassination of healthcare for poor children.
Anyway, carry on.

Poor children will not be impacted either way. The are covered by the following programs and have been for a very long time. Obama care has reduced the availability of primary care doctors for the poor.

MEDICAID: currently covers 42 ,million people.
CHIP: Covers children in families with incomes up to double the federal poverty, 4.6 million children.
DOD, TRICARE, and  VHA: Covers active and retired military and dependent children.
INDIAN HEALTH SERVICE: 1.7 million Native American Citizens.
STATE AND COUNTRY HEALTH SERVICES.

Always remember Smellin just makes it up as he goes along.

 

[Ransom]

I voted for a Republican presidential candidate but not him. Ya know why???

Because you wanted to vote for Hillary, but some men were watching you?

Trump is now the face of Evangelicalism to the world whether Evangelicals believe it or not.

Thank you. I choose "not." Trump isn't an evangelical. Every evangelical didn't vote for him. He is literally  not my president, and not the face of my evangelicalism. Finally, I am not swayed by your emotions.

 

[LongGone]

For a president who can't seem to get much done, the country seems to be doing pretty well.
Stock market the highest it has ever been
Unemployment number since 2001
New job creation is through the roof
Tons of economic growth killing regulations eliminated
Large reduction of border crossings
Trumps (ICE) deported 210,000 Illegals in fiscal year 2017 (Oct 2016 - Oct 2017) which i far less than the 410,000 Obama deported in 2012
Killed the US job killing TPP
Consumer confidence the highest its been in a decade or more
Corporate earnings are soaring
Real wages are starting to rise for the first time in years.

I don't have time to argue statistics but that aside, what does this have to do with Evangelicals having an admitted sexual predator speak at their "values" conference?
Also, for a pro-life stance, it sure is odd they are for sending illegals back, many to be killed in their own countries rather than try to find a way to legalize them. Not to mention, the assassination of healthcare for poor children.
Anyway, carry on.

Poor children will not be impacted either way. The are covered by the following programs and have been for a very long time. Obama care has reduced the availability of primary care doctors for the poor.

MEDICAID: currently covers 42 ,million people.
CHIP: Covers children in families with incomes up to double the federal poverty, 4.6 million children.
DOD, TRICARE, and  VHA: Covers active and retired military and dependent children.
INDIAN HEALTH SERVICE: 1.7 million Native American Citizens.
STATE AND COUNTRY HEALTH SERVICES.

Always remember Smellin just makes it up as he goes along.

Since the poor are covered by Medicaid and CHIP how did the number of primary care doctors drop since these are still run as separate programs by the states?

 

[LongGone]

I voted for a Republican presidential candidate but not him. Ya know why???

Because you wanted to vote for Hillary, but some men were watching you?

Trump is now the face of Evangelicalism to the world whether Evangelicals believe it or not.

Thank you. I choose "not." Trump isn't an evangelical. Every evangelical didn't vote for him. He is literally  not my president, and not the face of my evangelicalism. Finally, I am not swayed by your emotions.

No matter where you personally stand on Trump...Evangelicals are still part of his base.

 

[Ransom]

No matter where you personally stand on Trump...Evangelicals are still part of his base.

Women are part of his base. Trump is the face of women.

Black voters are part of his base. Trump is the face of blacks.

Hispanics are part of his base. Trump is the face of Hispanics.

Yes, that is how ridiculous you sound.

 

[sword]

For a president who can't seem to get much done, the country seems to be doing pretty well.
Stock market the highest it has ever been
Unemployment number since 2001
New job creation is through the roof
Tons of economic growth killing regulations eliminated
Large reduction of border crossings
Trumps (ICE) deported 210,000 Illegals in fiscal year 2017 (Oct 2016 - Oct 2017) which i far less than the 410,000 Obama deported in 2012
Killed the US job killing TPP
Consumer confidence the highest its been in a decade or more
Corporate earnings are soaring
Real wages are starting to rise for the first time in years.

I don't have time to argue statistics but that aside, what does this have to do with Evangelicals having an admitted sexual predator speak at their "values" conference?
Also, for a pro-life stance, it sure is odd they are for sending illegals back, many to be killed in their own countries rather than try to find a way to legalize them. Not to mention, the assassination of healthcare for poor children.
Anyway, carry on.

Poor children will not be impacted either way. The are covered by the following programs and have been for a very long time. Obama care has reduced the availability of primary care doctors for the poor.
MEDICAID: currently covers 42 ,million people.
CHIP: Covers children in families with incomes up to double the federal poverty, 4.6 million children.
DOD, TRICARE, and  VHA: Covers active and retired military and dependent children.
INDIAN HEALTH SERVICE: 1.7 million Native American Citizens.
STATE AND COUNTRY HEALTH SERVICES.
Always remember Smellin just makes it up as he goes along.

Since the poor are covered by Medicaid and CHIP how did the number of primary care doctors drop since these are still run as separate programs by the states?

The number of primary care doctors went up by a fraction, but the number of poor people (non senior citizen adults) seeking their "free" healthcare exploded. The demand on the primary care docs has far exceeded the supply of docs.

 

[prophet]

Or perhaps it is Trump's installation of the Right Wing anti-Christ religious practices into law, but who's to say?

Smellin' you have been had....too sad...seriously.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6pl_87a7cU

I'm not the one posting the speech of a sex predator at a "moral values" convention.

This isn't going to sit well with you, but it is true:

Men are predatory.  We hunt. 

But, when we use the term "sexual predator", we are referring to those who hunt defenseless prey.
Rapists, child molesters, etc, are sex predators.
Men who go after what they want aggressively, are just men.

Trump is an immoral man.
He is not a sexual predator.

He never said he was attracted to his daughter.
He said that he would be, if she wasn't and he was her peer.  This was a hypothetical situation.
This is the way that many people compliment someone who they'll never sleep with.
It isn't even awkward.

Trump never said that he molests women because he can get away with it.
He said, that they give him permission because of his status...It is mutually beneficial hunting...both the man and woman here are actively seeking the strongest mate, for propagation of the herd.
This, again, is not "sex predation", but merely sex.

He said that he would like to grab some female by her reproductive organs.  Again, normal male sexual thinking here.  He saw something he wanted, and expressed this to a colleague.
It was crude, but that isn't criminal.

I know that you (I'm not being antagonistic here, because I have gone through similar circumstances), struggle with this concept, because you are almost rabidly vocal in your opposition to male dominance.

The Creator made it so.


Why this group chose an immoral man to deliver a speech, I'll never know, and I agree it is weird.

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