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biscuit1953 said:
Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once?
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I don't understand what is the big deal about a nation being born at once. It happens all the time.

United States - Independence Day, July 4, 1776 (although John Adams thought July 2 was the day that should be celebrated with fireworks)
India - August 14, 1947
Algeria - July 5, 1962
Mexico - September 16, 1810
Brazil - September 7, 1822
Pakistan - August 14, 1947
Ghana - March 6, 1957
Angola - November 11, 1975 etc. etc. etc.

What is so unusual about Israel having been born in one day? There is more than one chance in 33 million of that happening.

PARTIAL LIST OF COMMENTATORS WHO INTERPRETED ISAIAH 66:6-8 AS A REFERENCE TO THE BIRTH OF THE CHRISTIAN NATION

MATTHEW POOLE: "The prophecy therefore seems rather to refer to the coming of Christ, and the sudden propagation of the Gospel."

MATTHEW HENRY: "But this was a figure of the setting up of the Christian church in the world, and the replenishing of that family with children which was to be named from Jesus Christ. When the Spirit was poured out, and the gospel went froth from Zion, multitudes were converted in a little time and with little pains compared with the vast product. The apostles, even before they travailed, brought forth, and the children born to Christ were so numerous, and so suddenly and easily produced, that they were rather like the dew from the mother's womb."

PHILIP MAURO: "Let us turn now to a passage in the last chapter of Isaiah . . . which in my opinion, and as will be evident to the unbiased mind upon slight examination, refers to this present gospel dispensation, and indeed to one of the most conspicuous events of the early days thereof. . . . And beyond all question the 'one day' here foretold is that great day of Pentecost, which was the birthday of that marvellous 'nation,' the like whereof had never been in the world before."

JOHN CALVIN: "No 'nation' ever came into the world in an instant . . . But the case is very different with the Church, which all at once, and in more than one place, brings forth a vast number of children."

ADAM CLARKE: "These two chapters [Isaiah 65 and 66] manifestly relate to the calling of the Gentiles [and] the establishment of the Christian dispensation."

ALBERT BARNES: "I see no reason why this [Isaiah 66:8] should not be applied to the spread of the gospel in pagan lands, and why we should not yet look for the rapid propagation of Christianity in a manner as surprising and wonderful as would be such an instantaneous change in the appearance of the earth, or such a sudden birth of a kingdom."
 
illinoisguy said:
We're still waiting to find out where does the Scripture say that the Jews today and Israel as a whole are God's chosen people. While we wait, consider these teachings:

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature." - Galatians 6:15

"For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel. Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, in Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." - Romans 9:6-8.

"They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, if ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.. But now ye seek to kill me . . . " John 8:39-40.

"Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. . . . There is neither Jew nor Greek . . . And if ye be Christ's then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." - Galatians 3:7, 28-29.

"For ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: "Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us, and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost." - Thessalonians 2:14-16.

"I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not: but are the synagogue of Satan." -Revelation 2:9.

"'And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." - Revelation11:6.
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It all comes down to whether you believe God is through with Israel or not. Many of the greatest Reformed theologians believed God was not through with Israel so I am not standing on an island all alone.

Reformed Theologians who believed in the return of the Jews to their land.

Here is a list of Reformed theologians who believed the prophecies concerning the regathering of the Jews to their homeland was literal as opposed to being symbolical or metaphorical.
Outside of dispensationalism or any particular theological position or system, some of the greatest theologians of the past have studied OT and/or NT prophecies (notably Romans 9-11) and concluded God is not through with the Jews and has a plan for them in the future as distinct from the church.

Noted Theologians in History Who Believed in a Future Conversion of National/Ethnic Israel | Monergism
Iain Murray, "From the first quarter of the seventeenth century, belief in a future conversion of the Jews became commonplace among the English Puritans."

William Perkins, "The Lord saith, All the nations shall be blessed in Abraham: Hence I gather that the nation of the Jews shall be called, and converted to the participation of this blessing: when, and how, God knows: but that it shall be done before the end of the world we know." (cited by Iain H. Murray, The Puritan Hope, 42.)
Dutch Reformed theologians of the seventeenth century believed in a future salvation of the Jews or restoration of the Jewish nation:

". . . for virtually all Dutch theologians of the seventeenth century, 'the whole of Israel' indicated the fullness of the people of Israel 'according to the flesh': in other words, the fullness of the Jewish people. This meant that there was a basis for an expectation of a future conversion of the Jews-an expectation which was shared by a large majority of Dutch theologians." -- J. Van Den Berg, "Eschatological Expectations Concerning the Conversion of the Jews in the Netherlands During the Seventeenth Century," Puritan Eschatology: 1600 To 1660, ed. Peter Toon (Cambridge: James Clarke, 1970), 140.

J. C. Ryle
  1. I believe that the Jews shall ultimately be gathered again as a separate nation, restored to their own land, and converted to the faith of Christ,
  2. after going through great tribulation (Jer. 30:10-11; 31:10; Rom. 11:25-26; Dan. 12:1; Zech. 13:8-9).
Martyn Lloyd-Jones, “To me 1967, the year that the Jews occupied all of Jerusalem, was very crucial.Luke 21:43 is one of the most significant prophetic verses: ‘Jerusalem,’ it reads, ‘shall be trodden down of the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled.’ It seems to me that that took place in 1967—something crucially important that had not occurred in 2,000 years. Luke 21:43 is one fixed point. But I am equally impressed by Romans 11 which speaks of a great spiritual return among the Jews before the end time. While this seems to be developing, even something even more spectacular may be indicated. We sometimes tend to foreshorten events, yet I have a feeling that we are in the period of the end. . . . I think we are witnessing the breakdown of politics. I think even the world is seeing that. Civilization is collapsing.”

Jonathan Edwards
Charles Haddon Spurgeon
John Calvin
Charles Hodge
John Murray
R. C. Sproul
John MacArthur
Al Moeller
 
biscuit1953 said:
U.S. envoy Steve Witkoff stated that Iranian negotiators told him and Jared Kushner prior to US/Israeli strikes in early 2026 that they controlled roughly 460 kilograms of uranium enriched to 60%, claiming this material could be enriched to 90% (weapons-grade) within a week to 10 days to produce as many as 11 nuclear bombs. President Trump couldn’t take that chance. If he hadn't acted and they used those weapons against us you would have condemned him for not acting.

www.cbsnews.com

Trump envoy Steve Witkoff says Iran claimed it had enough enriched uranium to make 11 nuclear bombs

President Trump's special envoy Steve Witkoff told Fox News that Iranian negotiators said Iran had the "inalienable right to enrich all their nuclear fuel."
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Trump told the American people last year after the 12 day war, that we bombed Irans nuclear facilities and that now they are no longer capable of making nuclear weapons.

Can you please explain this?
 
biscuit1953 said:
We can disagree on whether the prophecies concerning the regathering of the Jews to their land was metaphorical or literal and if it was Providential or accidental. Believe what you will. Here is a post I made on another thread.

Eze 12:15 And they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall scatter them among the nations, and disperse them in the countries.
Eze 11:17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
Amos 9:14 I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit.
Amos 9:15 I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them,” says the LORD your God.

The prophecies of the worldwide dispersion and regathering of the children of Israel are given many times in the Bible. Its fulfillment in the past 2000 years is the greatest proof outside of the resurrection of Christ that the Bible is true. The purpose for God restoring Israel to the land is to sanctify His great name and bring Him glory (Ezek 36:22). In Isaiah 66:7-8 (700 B.C.), the prophet Isaiah gives a strange prophecy. “Before she was in labor, she gave birth; before her pain came, she delivered a male child. Who has heard such a thing? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

In 1922 the League of Nations gave Great Britain the mandate (political authority) over Palestine. On May 14, 1948, Britain withdrew her mandate, and the nation of Israel was “born in a day.” There are more than 25 Bible prophecies concerning Palestine that have been literally fulfilled. Probability estimations conclude that the chances of these being accidentally fulfilled are less than one chance in 33 million.
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And where it says, that we are to help them militarily?

Also, Galatians 3:29 “And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

So who’s the seed of Abraham? The born again or the Jewish people? According to scripture. What does the New Testament say about the born again versus the Jewish people?
 
biscuit1953 said:
Reformed Theologians who believed in the return of the Jews to their land.
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NT theologians who taught that the denial that Christ has come in the flesh is antichrist:

Jesus: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. - John 5:23

John: Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. - 1 John 2:23

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. - 1 John 2:22​
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And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. - 1 John 4:3​
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For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. - 2 John 1:7​
 
biscuit1953 said:
U.S. envoy Steve Witkoff stated that Iranian negotiators told him and Jared Kushner prior to US/Israeli strikes in early 2026 that they controlled roughly 460 kilograms of uranium enriched to 60%, claiming this material could be enriched to 90% (weapons-grade) within a week to 10 days to produce as many as 11 nuclear bombs. President Trump couldn’t take that chance. If he hadn't acted and they used those weapons against us you would have condemned him for not acting.

www.cbsnews.com

Trump envoy Steve Witkoff says Iran claimed it had enough enriched uranium to make 11 nuclear bombs

President Trump's special envoy Steve Witkoff told Fox News that Iranian negotiators said Iran had the "inalienable right to enrich all their nuclear fuel."
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
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But they also said the same thing about Afghanistan or was it Iraq?

How many times does it take for someone to lie to you before you stop believing them?

So after 20 plus years in Iraq we pull out and a year and a half later we go right back to the Middle East. So if I’m understanding you correctly, you actually believe these people 100%?
 
illinoisguy said:
We're still waiting to find out where does the Scripture say that the Jews today and Israel as a whole are God's chosen people. While we wait, consider these teachings:

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature." - Galatians 6:15

"For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel. Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, in Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." - Romans 9:6-8.

"They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, if ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.. But now ye seek to kill me . . . " John 8:39-40.

"Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. . . . There is neither Jew nor Greek . . . And if ye be Christ's then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." - Galatians 3:7, 28-29.

"For ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: "Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us, and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost." - Thessalonians 2:14-16.

"I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not: but are the synagogue of Satan." -Revelation 2:9.

"'And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." - Revelation11:6.
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I’m putting these in my arsenal for my wife’s family
:cool:
 
biscuit1953 said:
It all comes down to whether you believe God is through with Israel or not. Many of the greatest Reformed theologians believed God was not through with Israel so I am not standing on an island all alone.

Reformed Theologians who believed in the return of the Jews to their land.

Here is a list of Reformed theologians who believed the prophecies concerning the regathering of the Jews to their homeland was literal as opposed to being symbolical or metaphorical.
Outside of dispensationalism or any particular theological position or system, some of the greatest theologians of the past have studied OT and/or NT prophecies (notably Romans 9-11) and concluded God is not through with the Jews and has a plan for them in the future as distinct from the church.

Noted Theologians in History Who Believed in a Future Conversion of National/Ethnic Israel | Monergism
Iain Murray, "From the first quarter of the seventeenth century, belief in a future conversion of the Jews became commonplace among the English Puritans."

William Perkins, "The Lord saith, All the nations shall be blessed in Abraham: Hence I gather that the nation of the Jews shall be called, and converted to the participation of this blessing: when, and how, God knows: but that it shall be done before the end of the world we know." (cited by Iain H. Murray, The Puritan Hope, 42.)
Dutch Reformed theologians of the seventeenth century believed in a future salvation of the Jews or restoration of the Jewish nation:

". . . for virtually all Dutch theologians of the seventeenth century, 'the whole of Israel' indicated the fullness of the people of Israel 'according to the flesh': in other words, the fullness of the Jewish people. This meant that there was a basis for an expectation of a future conversion of the Jews-an expectation which was shared by a large majority of Dutch theologians." -- J. Van Den Berg, "Eschatological Expectations Concerning the Conversion of the Jews in the Netherlands During the Seventeenth Century," Puritan Eschatology: 1600 To 1660, ed. Peter Toon (Cambridge: James Clarke, 1970), 140.

J. C. Ryle
  1. I believe that the Jews shall ultimately be gathered again as a separate nation, restored to their own land, and converted to the faith of Christ,
  2. after going through great tribulation (Jer. 30:10-11; 31:10; Rom. 11:25-26; Dan. 12:1; Zech. 13:8-9).
Martyn Lloyd-Jones, “To me 1967, the year that the Jews occupied all of Jerusalem, was very crucial.Luke 21:43 is one of the most significant prophetic verses: ‘Jerusalem,’ it reads, ‘shall be trodden down of the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled.’ It seems to me that that took place in 1967—something crucially important that had not occurred in 2,000 years. Luke 21:43 is one fixed point. But I am equally impressed by Romans 11 which speaks of a great spiritual return among the Jews before the end time. While this seems to be developing, even something even more spectacular may be indicated. We sometimes tend to foreshorten events, yet I have a feeling that we are in the period of the end. . . . I think we are witnessing the breakdown of politics. I think even the world is seeing that. Civilization is collapsing.”

Jonathan Edwards
Charles Haddon Spurgeon
John Calvin
Charles Hodge
John Murray
R. C. Sproul
John MacArthur
Al Moeller
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Reformed Theologians who believed in the return of the Jews to their land.

Where in scripture does it say that our government is commanded to help them accomplish this?????
 
illinoisguy said:
Franklin Graham is one of those who is mis-using the book of Esther to allege that all Persians 2500 years ago and all Iranians today want to kill all the Jews: "'Father, you tell us in the book of Esther that the Persians, the Iranians, were wanting to kill every Jew, woman, child, and to do it all in one day,' Graham said."
I believe Graham has misunderstood the book of Esther. It was only Haman and a small minority of his henchmen who wanted to kill the Jews, not all Persians/Iranians. The Old Testament portrays Persia as a friend of the Jews.

"Then the king Ahasuerus said unto Esther the queen and to Mordecai the Jews, Behold I have given Esther the house of Haman, and him they have hanged upon the gallows, because he laid his hand upon the Jews. Write ye also for the Jews, as it liketh you, in the king's name. . . . And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews, for the fear of the Jews fell upon them." - Esther 8:7-8, 17.

A Persian king, Cyrus, liberated the Jews and allowed them to return to Judea and rebuild the Jerusalem Temple, Ezra 1:1-4.

A Persian king, Artaxerxes, sent Ezra to Jerusalem and granted him and the Jewish priests a tax exemption, Ezra 7:24.

A Persian king appointed Nehemiah, a Jew, to be governor of Judea and gave his administration full backing, Nehemiah 2.

"Historians and scholars of the ancient Near East have noted that the equation of Persia with Iran requires context. As France24 reported, the Persian emperor Cyrus the Great, still revered in Iran, was the first world leader to grant freedom to the Jewish people by liberating them from captivity in Babylon. Graham's prayer made no reference to that history."

www.ibtimes.co.uk

White House Pastor Franklin Graham Under Fire Over Claim God 'Raised Trump' To Kill 'Islamic Iranians' For 'Jewish People'

Evangelical leader Franklin Graham's prayer at a White House Easter event, likening Trump to a biblical savior against Iran, has ignited widespread criticism.
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If it is true, as Graham says, that the Iranians today want to kill every Jew, they are doing a very poor job of it. There are Jewish synagogues openly operating and meeting for worship today in Tehran and other major Iranian cities. Since the time of the first Iranian constitution in 1906 up to the present time, there has always been a seat reserved in the Iranian Majlis, or Parliament, for a Jewish member. Franklin Graham really doesn't know what he is talking about, but hey, we have got to whip up the racial hatred for Iranians in order to keep this war going.
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Also, Haman was not a Persian. He is called an Agagite, possibly a descendant of Agag, king of the Amalekites, that Saul was commanded to slay.

The Jews living in Persia at the time were there by choice, preferring assimilation into Persian culture to the holy land and its God. Mordecai and Esther were among them.

And there would have been no occassion for a plot against the Jews, had Mordecai not provoked Haman.
 
biscuit1953 said:
Tucker Carlson claims the Book of Esther is about the “genocide of 75k Persians.” He took a book that deals with the providential care of God over the chosen line through which the Messiah would come and twists it to mean the opposite of what it says.
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I listened to Carlson's comments in context. It was an equal and opposite reaction to the vomitus of Franklin Graham. Also, no one in the Messianic line remained in Persia when the Babylonian captivity ended.
 
The Jooooooooows were evil even in ancient Persia.
 
The predictions of Iran's nuclear capabilities have been as accurate as Al Gores climate predictions.
 
I finally figured out why everybody on here hates the Jews. They are jealous of the way they dance. It is an inferiority complex. I'm pretty sure I saw Bruh in the background.

 
I don't hate Jews. The Jews gave us bagels.
 
biscuit1953 said:
I finally figured out why everybody on here hates the Jews. They are jealous of the way they dance. It is an inferiority complex. I'm pretty sure I saw Bruh in the background.

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Those aren't real Jooooooooos.
 
Nah, still the best Jewish dance…


 
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