Tucker Carlson Detained by Israel

You said that Gods chosen people love America. I believe that to be inaccurate. God's chosen people undoubtedly includes Jews but their status as chosen is based upon Jesus, not their Jewishness.

I will try to make it as clear as I can.

God's chosen people are those who are saved by Grace through Jesus and His finished work on the cross. This includes people from every tribe and nation. Not all of Gods chosen people love America. Loving (or hating) America has zero to do with the relationship between God and humanity.
 
subllibrm said:
You said that Gods chosen people love America. I believe that to be inaccurate. God's chosen people undoubtedly includes Jews but their status as chosen is based upon Jesus, not their Jewishness.
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Even Palestinian Christians?

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subllibrm said:
Why the modifier? Christians are Gods chosen people. All of them.
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You thought a modifier was merited in the case of the Jews.

But we see in Palestine, that the children of the flesh still persecute the children of the Promise.
 
Ekklesian said:
You thought a modifier was merited in the case of the Jews.

But we see in Palestine, that the children of the flesh still persecute the children of the Promise.
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I used the word Jews to remove that from consideration regarding one's standing as God's chosen. Had I wanted to use it as a modifier I would have said Jewish Christian.

And to the second part I have no idea what you are talking about.

Again, for those who may struggle following a simple concept. Loving or hating America has nothing to do with someone being of Gods chosen people.
 
subllibrm said:
I used the word Jews to remove that from consideration regarding one's standing as God's chosen. Had I wanted to use it as a modifier I would have said Jewish Christian.

And to the second part I have no idea what you are talking about.

Again, for those who may struggle following a simple concept. Loving or hating America has nothing to do with someone being of Gods chosen people.
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True. The Christians in Palestine have every reason to hold ill will toward the US.

And Im surprised you didn't recognize the allusion to Galatians 4.

It must not have been featured in a Monty Python flick.
 
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Ekklesian said:
You thought a modifier was merited in the case of the Jews.

But we see in Palestine, that the children of the flesh still persecute the children of the Promise.
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I used the word Jews to remove that from consideration regarding one's standing as God's chosen. Had I wanted to use it as a modifier I would have said Jewish Christian.

And to the second part I have no idea what you are talking about.

Again, for those who may struggle following a simple concept. Loving or hating America does nothing to determine whether someone is of Gods chosen people.
 
Watched the "interview." Tucker for the most part was an ass. Ten times the ass he was with Cruz. He was disrespectful and wouldn't shut up and allow Huckabee to complete his answers, always trying to set him up to go for the gotchyas, which seldom materialized; always twisting Huckabee's words, and putting words in his mouth.

Huckabee, in contrast, was incredibly gracious, respectful, and kept an even keel throughout. I was impressed.

That said, there were a couple important things that came from this.

  • The Zionist state called "Israel" is the Israel of the Bible
  • The Old Testament is still in effect.
  • The right to exist for Israel™ is a divine right not endowed by God to any other people in any other land.
  • It would be okay for Israel™ to take all the land from the Euphrates to the Nile. (Huckabee tried to backpeddle on that a little bit, but the cat was already out of the bag.)
Tucker did get in a good point by pointing out Netanyahu's blasphemous appeal to the commanded complete annihilation of the Amalekites to justify Israel's™ genocide of the Palestinians. Huckabee could only say Tucker would have to ask Bibi.

 
Ekklesian said:
It would be okay for Israel™ to take all the land from the Euphrates to the Nile.
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I wonder what Huck does with Deuteronomy 2:4-5,9, 19:

"Ye are to pass through the coast of your brethren the children of Esau, which dwell in Seir. . . . Meddle not with them, for I will not give you of their land, not so much as a foot breadth: because I have given mount Seir unto Esau for a possession. . . .

"Distress not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle: for I will not give thee of their land for a possession, because I have given Ar unto the children of Lot for a possession. . . .

"And when thou comest nigh over against the children of Ammon, distress them not, for I will not give thee of the land of the children of Ammon any possession, because I gave given it unto the children of Lot for a possession."

Huckabee's Christian Zionist position, that Israel currently has a divine title deed to all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates, is totally without Scriptural backing. We have discussed this on the forum previously - God already fulfilled His land promise to Israel in ancient times, giving them land from the Euphrates to the River of Egypt (the Wadi el-Arish, not the Nile).
 
Ambassador Huckabee's controversial position, that Israel is currently entitled to all of the Middle East from the Nile to the Euphrates, if they decide that they want it, is contrary to the classical dispensationalist teaching, that God's promises to national Israel are not operative during this age:

"We dispensationalists believe that the church has superseded Israel during the current church age, but God has a future time in which He will restore national Israel as the institution for the administration of divine blessings to the world." - Thomas Ice

"There are a number of ways in which this present age differs from all the ages that preceded. . . . The nation Israel has been set aside as the particular object of God's dealing and can not expect the fulfillment of her promises during this age." -Dwight Pentecost, dispensationalist, Dallas Theological Seminary, in "Things To Come," p. 132.

"An intercalary period of history, after Christ's death and resurrection and the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, has intervened. This is the present age, the Church age. . . . During this time God has not been dealing with Israel nationally, for they have been blinded concerning God's mercy in Christ." - E. Schuyler English, dispensationalist.

See also these comments by John Piper: "The promises made to Abraham, including the promise of the land, will be inherited as an everlasting gift only by true, spiritual Israel, not disobedient, unbelieving Israel. Being born Jewish does not make one an heir of the promise - neither the promise of the land nor any other promise. . . .

"The Bible does not teach us to be partial to Israel or to the Palestinians because either has a special divine status. . . . A non-covenant-keeping people does not have a divine right to hold the land of promise. Both the blessed status of the people and the privileged right to the land are conditional on Israel's keeping the covenant God made with her (Exodus 19:5)."
 
illinoisguy said:
"The Bible does not teach us to be partial to Israel or to the Palestinians because either has a special divine status. . . . A non-covenant-keeping people does not have a divine right to hold the land of promise. Both the blessed status of the people and the privileged right to the land are conditional on Israel's keeping the covenant God made with her (Exodus 19:5)."
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And that covenant has passed away.
 
"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." - Hebrews 8:13, written approximately 1960 years ago, just prior to the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple in 70 AD. The old covenant is dead, we are under the New Covenant, it's time for us to move on.
 
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