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ALAYMAN said:
Not really.
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You're just not properly connecting the dots on the crazy wall.

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ALAYMAN said:
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We removed their elected Prime minister in 1953. The hostage situation happened in 1979 26 years after we removed their prime minister. It’s very likely that the Iranians that went through 1979 had relatives that were telling stories about 1953.

I’m not say ing I agree with what they did, but I get it. They had relatives that were there in 1953 when we overthrew their government. Relative that were telling stories about how it use to be to be before the Americans did what they did.

God forbid something like that happens now to America and for 26 years you and I are telling stories of how it use to be to our grandchildren. Our grandchildren grow up and do what happened in 1979.
 
Bruh is correct about us over throwing their democratically elected government.
 
Bruh said:
We removed their elected Prime minister in 1953. The hostage situation happened in 1979 26 years after we removed their prime minister. It’s very likely that the Iranians that went through 1979 had relatives that were telling stories about 1953.

I’m not say ing I agree with what they did, but I get it. They had relatives that were there in 1953 when we overthrew their government. Relative that were telling stories about how it use to be to be before the Americans did what they did.

God forbid something like that happens now to America and for 26 years you and I are telling stories of how it use to be to our grandchildren. Our grandchildren grow up and do what happened in 1979.
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Oh, I understand how they could be frustrated with our manipulation of their government. But to keep it simple I’ll share a folksy southern idiom I bet you can relate to…


"Don't let your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird [posterior]"

Iran should have built a bridge a long time ago, but rather chose to be the mouth of the Middle East. I don’t have any sympathy, and I certainly am not going to say that my ability to feel sympathy for how we may have meddled in their politics nearly a century ago is justification for them to have a nuclear weapon.
 
ALAYMAN said:
Oh, I understand how they could be frustrated with our manipulation of their government. But to keep it simple I’ll share a folksy southern idiom I bet you can relate to…


"Don't let your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird [posterior]"

Iran should have built a bridge a long time ago, but rather chose to be the mouth of the Middle East. I don’t have any sympathy, and I certainly am not going to say that my ability to feel sympathy for how we may have meddled in their politics nearly a century ago is justification for them to have a nuclear weapon.
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US sanctions on Iran may have something to do with them not being able to build that bridge.
 
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ALAYMAN said:
If they had tapped out then maybe the sanctions would’ve been lifted?
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Maybe, I mean look we are the super power so it is what it is, I get. But all this has happened because we destroyed their western civilization back in 1953.

Now, if you or someone would like to explain to me why we took them down in 1953, maybe there is a good reason.

I think it has something to do with nationalizing oil or something
 
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illinoisguy said:
Current urgent priorities during wartime:

UFC fights
The ballroom
Renaming the Kennedy Center
The Arc de Trump
Trump's mug on a $250 bill
Concealing the Epstein files
Annexing Canada and Greenland
Mount Trumpmore
Axing Cornyn who voted with Trump 99.2% of the time
Prosecuting people for taking pictures of seashells

It's reassuring to know that our government has its priorities straight during the ongoing crisis with the "excursion" in the Middle East.
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Im not for many of those things, but if you think a federal government with around 2 million civilian workers plus 1.3 million active-duty military personnel, and 500,000 U.S. Postal Service employees acant do more than one thing at a time your ill informed and naive. When we were fighting 2 actual wars during ww2 over 6000 miles apart the country continued to function. During Vietnam and Korea we fought wars and still continued as normal. I asked several elderly people and they said during the latter 2 wars, except for the news each night, nothing changed and the world went on. Why when we have what ever this is, do you think the world should stop.
 
Bruh said:
Maybe, I mean look we are the super power so it is what it is, I get. But all this has happened because we destroyed their western civilization back in 1953.
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The Shah was fiercely pro-West. Their "western civilization" wasn't destroyed--he aggressively pursued further Westernization, for example, expanding the rights of women to give them the right to vote and hold office, rewriting family law, and opening up the workplace to them, and repealing the mandatory veil law.

Bruh said:
Now, if you or someone would like to explain to me why we took them down in 1953, maybe there is a good reason.
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Because oil. It was the Middle East.

Also Cold War fears of a Communist takeover, which didn't happen, and Ayatollah Khomeini hated the Soviets as much as the Americans. Although he cozied up to the Chinese and the Norks for military support instead, so Eisenhower's concerns were at least partially justified.

Bruh said:
I think it has something to do with nationalizing oil or something
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Yeah, that right there is your understanding personified. Long on opinion, short on knowledge. :ROFLMAO:
 
ALAYMAN said:
Oh, I understand how they could be frustrated with our manipulation of their government. But to keep it simple I’ll share a folksy southern idiom I bet you can relate to…


"Don't let your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird [posterior]"

Iran should have built a bridge a long time ago, but rather chose to be the mouth of the Middle East. I don’t have any sympathy, and I certainly am not going to say that my ability to feel sympathy for how we may have meddled in their politics nearly a century ago is justification for them to have a nuclear weapon.
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Po' li'l innocent Izreel wuz jus picked on sumthin' awful, too.
 
Yes, the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran by the CIA in 1953 was about nationalizing oil. The British were ripping off the government of Iran, so Iran nationalized their oil company. The British asked President Truman to help them violently overthrow Prime Minister Mossadegh, and Truman said no. In January, 1953 Eisenhower became president and he was persuaded to agree, with some reluctance, to the overthrow of Mossadegh. And the rest is history. Of course, we expect the Iranians to have no lingering hard feelings about it and to let bygones be bygones.

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The 1953 Coup: Oil, Mosaddegh, and the Roots of Iranian Resentment - Explaining History Podcast

In one decisive episode, a democratically elected leader was removed in a covert Anglo-American operation, foreign powers reasserted control over Iranian oil, and the Shah’s autocracy was restored.
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www.democracynow.org

How CIA & MI6 Overthrew Mossadegh 70 Years Ago, Crushing Democracy in Iran

We look at the 70th anniversary of the August 19, 1953, U.S.- and U.K-backed coup in Iran, which took place two years after Iran’s democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh nationalized Iran’s oil industry that had been controlled by the company now known as British Petroleum. “If...
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Ransom said:
The Shah was fiercely pro-West. Their "western civilization" wasn't destroyed--he aggressively pursued further Westernization, for example, expanding the rights of women to give them the right to vote and hold office, rewriting family law, and opening up the workplace to them, and repealing the mandatory veil law.



Because oil. It was the Middle East.

Also Cold War fears of a Communist takeover, which didn't happen, and Ayatollah Khomeini hated the Soviets as much as the Americans. Although he cozied up to the Chinese and the Norks for military support instead, so Eisenhower's concerns were at least partially justified.



Yeah, that right there is your understanding personified. Long on opinion, short on knowledge. :ROFLMAO:
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I was just being honest. I knew in part it had to do with oil. And I’m the one that brought the oil argument up no one else did. Yes, I’m more than willing to admit if I do not have much knowledge on something. Unlike you! Self proclaimed……….
 
One example of many where we have intruded into the sovereign business of foreign countries. Since at least Teddy Roosevelt, we have declared that our "interests" in other countries provide the justification for our actions, good or bad. Often those interests have been about business rather than actual security concerns. Britain approached the world with the same mindset. The East India Company basically became an arm of the government/empire, protected by the government/ empire.
 
subllibrm said:
One example of many where we have intruded into the sovereign business of foreign countries. Since at least Teddy Roosevelt, we have declared that our "interests" in other countries provide the justification for our actions, good or bad. Often those interests have been about business rather than actual security concerns. Britain approached the world with the same mindset. The East India Company basically became an arm of the government/empire, protected by the government/ empire.
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So let’s assume for the sake of simplicity that that is an accurate version of history in total. How long should we let their hostilities, threats, and murderous activities go unchallenged? And, for the sake of being on record, you OK with them having nuclear weapons?
 
Ekklesian said:
Po' li'l innocent Izreel wuz jus picked on sumthin' awful, too.
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You guys are good about speaking out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand Bruh says 13 military Americans died in vain, but on the other hand, he’s OK with the letting the numerous episodes of deaths at the hands of Middle Eastern extremists go unpunished or is OK with just slaps on the wrist. You guys want your cake and eat it too. All the while scapegoating those evil Jews. You are one trick ponies and broken records with the needle skipping profusely on the couple records that aren’t broken.
 
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ALAYMAN said:
You guys are good about speaking out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand Bruh says 13 military Americans died in vain, but on the other hand, he’s OK with the letting the numerous episodes of deaths at the hands of Middle Eastern extremists go unpunished or is OK with just slaps on the wrist. You guys want your cake and eat it too. You guys want your cake and eat it too. All the while scapegoating those evil Jews. You guys are one trick ponies and broken records with needle skipping profusely on the couple records that aren’t broken.
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Choose your own side, America.
 
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