Unbelievably Un-biblical Sermon in this week's Sword of the Lord

[prophet]

If I may digress, IB aren't the only ones who preach bad sermons.................



Carry on.

If I were still IFB, I would more concerned about the bad teaching in my own "camp" and less so about the Joel Osteens of the world.  If I were still IFB, I'd try to get my own group straightened out and then enable and equip them to educate "outsiders" about the error with Osteen, (pick your favorite demon....) etc.

I concur, and I do.

 

[Boomer]

If I may digress, IB aren't the only ones who preach bad sermons.................



Carry on.

If I were still IFB, I would more concerned about the bad teaching in my own "camp" and less so about the Joel Osteens of the world.  If I were still IFB, I'd try to get my own group straightened out and then enable and equip them to educate "outsiders" about the error with Osteen, (pick your favorite demon....) etc.

I am IFB, and I am deeply disturbed by the lack of solid biblical interpretation by many self-appointed leaders in our associations. That being said, I am far more outraged by the Word of Faith movement and Joel Osteen. The reason for this is that they seem to have a much broader influence on "Christianity" than the IFBs. Every time I walk into a Christian bookstore and see shelves lined with books by Osteen, Jakes, Meyer, etc., the entire range of my emotions surge . . . from rage to anxiety to depression. These wolves are leading others to hell in droves.

But the insane "interpretations" like Hamblin's here disturb me because I'm associated with such men (even thought I really have nothing to do with them).

 

[subllibrm]

If I may digress, IB aren't the only ones who preach bad sermons.................



Carry on.

If I were still IFB, I would more concerned about the bad teaching in my own "camp" and less so about the Joel Osteens of the world.  If I were still IFB, I'd try to get my own group straightened out and then enable and equip them to educate "outsiders" about the error with Osteen, (pick your favorite demon....) etc.

I am IFB, and I am deeply disturbed by the lack of solid biblical interpretation by many self-appointed leaders in our associations. That being said, I am far more outraged by the Word of Faith movement and Joel Osteen. The reason for this is that they seem to have a much broader influence on "Christianity" than the IFBs. Every time I walk into a Christian bookstore and see shelves lined with books by Osteen, Jakes, Meyer, etc., the entire range of my emotions surge . . . from rage to anxiety to depression. These wolves are leading others to hell in droves.

But the insane "interpretations" like Hamblin's here disturb me because I'm associated with such men (even thought I really have nothing to do with them).

Maybe Hamblin shares some of the blame for the bolded concern. Not exactly honey he is preaching to the flies.

Or maybe IFB folk are just jealous that their "brand" has such a low share in today's marketplace of churches.

Or maybe we waste a lot of time fretting over those who "do it" wrong rather than test our own doctrine and practice to make sure we are "doing it" correctly.

 

[Walt]

...
Your thoughts, FFF?

Such messages are a classic two fold example of the rot that still prevails in entire segments of our movement. 1) a complete mishandling of Scripture, and 2) an inappropriate exaltation of men. I'm on your side, Boomer, all the way. I am done with shoddy hermeneutics and the cult of personality.

...which doesn't mean I cannot learn from great men in the past. Indeed, I seek to do so conscientiously. But to bring such an emphasis in this way as you have described is inexcusable. And I am weary of it.

Yes, how we need preachers who want to preach what the Bible says, not just yank and wrench a verse out of context to say what THEY have already determined to say.

Thank you, Boomer, for posting this, AND for the proper analysis of what is really meant by this verse.

 

[Walt]

...
Your thoughts, FFF?

Such messages are a classic two fold example of the rot that still prevails in entire segments of our movement. 1) a complete mishandling of Scripture, and 2) an inappropriate exaltation of men. I'm on your side, Boomer, all the way. I am done with shoddy hermeneutics and the cult of personality.

...which doesn't mean I cannot learn from great men in the past. Indeed, I seek to do so conscientiously. But to bring such an emphasis in this way as you have described is inexcusable. And I am weary of it.

The thing that bothers me so much is that it is so obvious. How could Sheldon Smith look at that sermon and think, "This is good, biblical preaching. I'm going to stake my reputation on this and print it"? And then men like Jeff Fugate regurgitate it on Twitter. Cannot the president of a Bible college discern the mangling of Jeremiah 5?

It does not take a scholar to see what Hamblin did to that passage (I'm no scholar!). Anybody with basic reading and comprehension skills could understand what that passage really means! This is what I find so disturbing.

All of what you say is true... the problem is that Hamblin is on the board of the SOTL, and the "give our supporters a free pass in examining their preaching" is still very, very common.  I've heard Shelton Smith preach, and I was amazed that the few times I heard him, it was a Scriptural message, and yet he endorses shoddy Bible preaching like this!!!!

 

[Boomer]

If I may digress, IB aren't the only ones who preach bad sermons.................



Carry on.

If I were still IFB, I would more concerned about the bad teaching in my own "camp" and less so about the Joel Osteens of the world.  If I were still IFB, I'd try to get my own group straightened out and then enable and equip them to educate "outsiders" about the error with Osteen, (pick your favorite demon....) etc.

I am IFB, and I am deeply disturbed by the lack of solid biblical interpretation by many self-appointed leaders in our associations. That being said, I am far more outraged by the Word of Faith movement and Joel Osteen. The reason for this is that they seem to have a much broader influence on "Christianity" than the IFBs. Every time I walk into a Christian bookstore and see shelves lined with books by Osteen, Jakes, Meyer, etc., the entire range of my emotions surge . . . from rage to anxiety to depression. These wolves are leading others to hell in droves.

But the insane "interpretations" like Hamblin's here disturb me because I'm associated with such men (even thought I really have nothing to do with them).

Maybe Hamblin shares some of the blame for the bolded concern. Not exactly honey he is preaching to the flies.

Or maybe IFB folk are just jealous that their "brand" has such a low share in today's marketplace of churches.

Or maybe we waste a lot of time fretting over those who "do it" wrong rather than test our own doctrine and practice to make sure we are "doing it" correctly.

I do agree that the preaching style and content employed by Hamblin and others does contribute to the problem. I cannot imagine what it must be like to go to meeting after meeting to hear the "Man of God" instead of the Word of God. How those poor souls who fall for this stuff must be starving for the green pastures of the true Shepherd!

I think one of the main problems with the Sword crowd is that their focus seems to be a little bit off. Instead of pointing people to Christ and saying, "Be like Him," they point people to certain Christians and say, "Be like them." It isn't bad to look up to faithful Christians, but we must not do so to the exclusion of Christ and His Word. In my opinion, Hamblin's sermon does just that.

 

[Boomer]

My friend, Ryan Hayden, posted a rebuttal to Hamblin's sermon on his blog. It was well written and did an excellent job giving the real interpretation of the passage along with a strong rebuke from 1Corinthians 3. When this got out, some preachers took to Twitter to voice their support for Hamblin and decry the proper interpretation for Scripture. I was amazed to see these men who preach about how much they love and live in the Book turn around and show contempt for it. I guess that must be the result of looking unto "Dr. _____________" instead of looking unto Jesus.

Here is the link to Ryan's article.

http://www.pastorryanhayden.com/rebuttal-get-thee-unto-great-men/

 

[bgwilkinson]

Comments from some trained seals.

Here are  some tweets from the good doctor himself.


https://twitter.com/WBCBowie/status/543223457064828928

 

[FSSL]

Do these same people Tweet other SOL articles as well? Or do we have a circling of the wagons?

 

[Boomer]

Do these same people Tweet other SOL articles as well? Or do we have a circling of the wagons?

Yes 

 

[BALAAM]

I read all these tweets from various men and can't help but think, 'what a lot of senseless drivel'.

 

[Holy Mole]

This whole thread is a LIE! 

I can easily believe how Un-biblical a sermon from this foppish clown can be.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

My friend, Ryan Hayden, posted a rebuttal to Hamblin's sermon on his blog. It was well written and did an excellent job giving the real interpretation of the passage along with a strong rebuke from 1Corinthians 3. When this got out, some preachers took to Twitter to voice their support for Hamblin and decry the proper interpretation for Scripture. I was amazed to see these men who preach about how much they love and live in the Book turn around and show contempt for it. I guess that must be the result of looking unto "Dr. _____________" instead of looking unto Jesus.

Here is the link to Ryan's article.

http://www.pastorryanhayden.com/rebuttal-get-thee-unto-great-men/

I thought the blog post was excellent.
I noticed another great post in response to the hypocrisy of Stuff Fundies Like!
Didn't he post here a few times in the past?

 

[Ransom]

If I may digress, the IB's aren't the only ones who preach bad sermons.................

The difference being, we aren't proud of ours and don't publish them on the front page of our non-fundy scandal sheets.