Update on Dealing with Progressive Christianity
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rsc2a said:
No, I get exactly what you aren't saying!
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[quote author=Biker]The method of communication GOD utilizes is in written form. He takes this foundation and sends it to us through people, directly through his word, etc.. I don't understand how this elementary principal in which new Christians grasp, can be such an obstacle. but I have plenty of my own obstacles to deal with.[/quote]
The very method you are lifting up (i..e. Scripture) explicitly states that Gos uses many methods to speak to mankind. Why are you trying to shove your god into a box?
And, the foundation is Jesus, not a Bible, as we are enlightened by the Spirit.
[quote author=Biker]God provided a human instrument whose Foundation was the BIBLE. Everything we know as true, even our opportunity to have a relationship with him, is all based on this foundation we know as the written GOSPEL.[/quote]
More idolatry. The foundation is Jesus. Want me to cite the parts of your foundation that plainly state this?
[quote author=Biker]When HE sends out his effectual call, it is inevitable that I respond back to him. And it will all be based upon his written word, though delivered possibly through various ways, including people and signs.[/quote]
It's based on His Spirit calling His own unto Himself.
Granted, I'm pretty used to the evangelical trinity of Father, Son and Holy Bible so the statement isn't much of a surprise.
[quote author=Biker]We have enough tempations and sin in the world to make the very WORD of God a stumbling block. That is what the KJVO folks do
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I'd say elevating it to deity is a pretty major stumbling block, yes.
The very method you are lifting up (i..e. Scripture) explicitly states that Gos uses many methods to speak to mankind. Why are you trying to shove your god into a box?
And, the foundation is Jesus, not a Bible, as we are enlightened by the Spirit.
[quote author=Biker]God provided a human instrument whose Foundation was the BIBLE. Everything we know as true, even our opportunity to have a relationship with him, is all based on this foundation we know as the written GOSPEL.[/quote]
More idolatry. The foundation is Jesus. Want me to cite the parts of your foundation that plainly state this?
[quote author=Biker]When HE sends out his effectual call, it is inevitable that I respond back to him. And it will all be based upon his written word, though delivered possibly through various ways, including people and signs.[/quote]
It's based on His Spirit calling His own unto Himself.
Granted, I'm pretty used to the evangelical trinity of Father, Son and Holy Bible so the statement isn't much of a surprise.
[quote author=Biker]We have enough tempations and sin in the world to make the very WORD of God a stumbling block. That is what the KJVO folks do
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I'd say elevating it to deity is a pretty major stumbling block, yes.
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What's ironic is that those who claim the scripture as sole authority also believe there is a (mandatory?) need for a (sometimes paid) pastor/preacher to explain it. I guess even if it was authoritative enough, we can't rely on our own personal interpretation. We dummies have to have someone break it down for us to wield that "sole authority" because it is too dangerous for us peons to handle.
They might not believe in gun control, but they sure do believe in "sword" control because it gives them the opportunity to exert "authority" over others. ;D
They might not believe in gun control, but they sure do believe in "sword" control because it gives them the opportunity to exert "authority" over others. ;D
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Biker said:
Wait. I thought "word" or "logos" was Jesus. Why are you now changing from defining 'logos' as a person to a Protestant canon that wasn't to be assembled until a couple hundred years after this verse was originally penned? And you still haven't explained why Jesus claimed that the "logos" that He spoke WASN'T His but belonged to the Father (John 14:24).
Since the definition is being used as apply the definition however I want to spin it, does this mean in a Guy Fieri cookbook, the word "word" actually means "roast beef"?
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10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?†But we have the mind of Christ.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?†But we have the mind of Christ.
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Smellin Coffee said:
I haven't read the entire thread.... so pardon me.
"logos" can generally be defined as "the message". In general use, it has been translated in over a dozen different English words.
In short. Jesus is "The Message". All things good and Holy from God culminate in this single message. Jesus Christ, The Word of God to humanity.
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praise_yeshua said:Smellin Coffee said:
I haven't read the entire thread.... so pardon me.
"logos" can generally be defined as "the message". In general use, it has been translated in over a dozen different English words.
In short. Jesus is "The Message". All things good and Holy from God culminate in this single message. Jesus Christ, The Word of God to humanity.
Even as "a message", that does not a "messenger" make.
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Smellin Coffee said:praise_yeshua said:Smellin Coffee said:
I haven't read the entire thread.... so pardon me.
"logos" can generally be defined as "the message". In general use, it has been translated in over a dozen different English words.
In short. Jesus is "The Message". All things good and Holy from God culminate in this single message. Jesus Christ, The Word of God to humanity.
Even as "a message", that does not a "messenger" make.
I disagree but I must admit... I don't understand the point.
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When your arguments are laughable, you try to argue against something else, I guess.Smellin Coffee said:
Ironic indeed!