Verses Freebirds ignore or misunderstand when reading their Bibles.

[subllibrm]

Chronology is your friend. I just got here and picked up where I left off. I responded to his/your first posts. See my next post after he had made the stupid statement.

Running a little hair trigger there aren't we buddy?

lol, do you find any irony in the "chronology" statement, especially in light of me responding in real space and time to your wrong charge that my logic was off?

My first post was in regards to his first post which did NOT include the implications you indicated. That he later follwed up with confirmation of your suspicion does not change the fact that he had not promoted porn in any fashion as of the point I responded. And then when I saw his followup nonsense, I responded accordingly.

And so it was not real space or time because I had not yet seen his follow up. You do understand the difference between last night and this morning don't you? In fact I got one of those "someone else has responded while you were typing" notices. T'was you getting up in my grill before I had finished writing my response to him.

BTW I started a new thread to address his porn nonsense. Feel free to go there and wrongly accuse me of supporting him.

 

[subllibrm]

Quoted for Aman -

<snip> But I'm not going to say there is never an appropriate occasion for viewing porn. <snip>

You lost me on this one.  ???

Your apology is accepted.

How about addressing the substance of what I've claimed?  You often do this sub.  The topic is Freebirdism.  The subject is a poster's claim that porn is okay if watched in the right context.  Do you want a more specific example given, or should I invite free2beme to offer some other misdirection and obfuscation here?

Apology accepted.

Ready, fire, aim

 

[ALAYMAN]

BTW I started a new thread to address his porn nonsense. Feel free to go there and wrongly accuse me of supporting him.

I'm "accusing you" of ignoring the relevance of his porn nonsense as it directly relates to this thread we're participating in, that Freebirds (even some on the FFF) will make all sorts of questionable claims, nothing more. 

 

[ALAYMAN]

Some of the Freebirds, in an attempt at misdirection, have insisted that I be more specific (they first asked for examples of Freebirdism, and when supplied, moved the goalposts by asking for "specifics").  So here is a short summary of my original claim, but amplified with "specifics" (some of which have been reinforced in just the last couple of days right here in this thread and on the FFF).

Flaunting booze:  FSSL's somewhat tongue in cheek thread about posting a pic of your favorite libation.  Though the Freebirds will play it off, it is an effort at taunting those who would hold to a more sober <hehe> effort at not placing undue temptation in front of those who have came out of a life of alcoholism. 

Gambling: Many discussions in the past have tried to equate gambling with playing the stock market, but there are categorical differences in these two practices, one where goods and value is produced (stocks) and one that preys on the misery of the poor and addicted.


Pot smoking:  Numerous FFFers have advocated not for only medical marijuana, but also recreational.  This stems from an obvious libertarian bias inherent to a younger generation (now even trickling up and affecting older folk though).

House-churches: Taken in the right context, not a freebird issue, but when it is claimed that the traditional model is essentially entirely corrupt and that house-churches are the only way, a true sign of freebird radical autonomy that won't submit to authority (of godly men, nor scripture)

Woman preachers/egalitarianism: Historically on the FFF this sentiment has come from mostly non-baptists, including one who is currently contemplating studying to go into the pastorate.

Torture porn: See Patebald (for those who have been on previous iterations of the FFF)

Porn: The rodent, saying it's okay, given the right context.

These are just examples from the FFF.  My OP was not intended to limit the critique of Freebirdism to merely incidents of those that have appeared on this forum, but rather the entirety of the Christian Freebird experience.

Let the heathens rage.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Not necessarily because there is still the problem with the type of industry you are supporting with your viewing, and the support of that industry would be facilitating the spread of evil. But I'm not going to say there is never an appropriate occasion for viewing porn. The world is a lot bigger than just the situations you and I are aware of.

Yeah. You'd hate it. We've spent several evenings lately learning how it's not about keeping a bunch of rules, but instead having a changed heart. Our group gets this intellectually, but hopefully, with repetition and life practice, they'll be able to instinctively know that the rules are only there for the immature.

But you keep on living in fear that you attempt to control by keeping a certain checklist. I'd rather my folks learn to walk in the freedom Jesus won for us at Calvary.

The grace of God that allows for your justification of watching porn is not grace at all, but licentiousness.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The forum NUT.... isn't a freebird. He's just a NUT.

Its ironic he would claim I advocate lying and then turn around and say there might be a time to watch porn. Isn't it "ironic".... don't you "think". A little too ironic....

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Here you go - the perfect fusion of horror and porn.

 

[subllibrm]

BTW I started a new thread to address his porn nonsense. Feel free to go there and wrongly accuse me of supporting him.

I'm "accusing you" of ignoring the relevance of his porn nonsense as it directly relates to this thread we're participating in, that Freebirds (even some on the FFF) will make all sorts of questionable claims, nothing more.

Well tear my cloak and cover me in ashes. I didn't see his post soon enough to rebuke him to your satisfaction. Oh the humanity.

 

[ALAYMAN]

BTW I started a new thread to address his porn nonsense. Feel free to go there and wrongly accuse me of supporting him.

I'm "accusing you" of ignoring the relevance of his porn nonsense as it directly relates to this thread we're participating in, that Freebirds (even some on the FFF) will make all sorts of questionable claims, nothing more.

Well tear my cloak and cover me in ashes. I didn't see his post soon enough to rebuke him to your satisfaction. Oh the humanity.

You continue to miss the point.  Ratboy just highlights my over-arching point, that on the FFF, there is an advocacy for things that shouldn't be named even on a liberal Christian forum, let alone one that is presumably "fundamentalist" or conservative.  That is the WHOLE point of this thread, the point which he just gift-wrapped.  Checkmate.  I'm just asking for the same commiseration to that point in this thread as was experienced in the "ain't all the hypocritical IFBs stooopid" thread that got so much sympathetic traffic.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Here you go - the perfect fusion of horror and porn.

THREAD HIJACK to ensue!

lol, I appreciate what you've said about horror stuff, and your humor here.  But on a serious note, could the humor reflected in the cartoon even be relevant or deciphered if there wasn't already a large culture or subculture of inappropriate fascination/fixation with the horror genre?

 

[rsc2a]

...their twisted version of "grace" to justify whatever perversion they want, all the while using God for the ability to enjoy things like "porn".

"Watch now as I make something up, throw it on someone else, and rail against them for what I said."

 

[subllibrm]

...their twisted version of "grace" to justify whatever perversion they want, all the while using God for the ability to enjoy things like "porn".

"Watch now as I make something up, throw it on someone else, and rail against them for what I said."

But I'm not going to say there is never an appropriate occasion for viewing porn.

Which I take to mean that you can conceive of a time and circumstance where it would be appropriate. Or not?

 

[rsc2a]

...their twisted version of "grace" to justify whatever perversion they want, all the while using God for the ability to enjoy things like "porn".

"Watch now as I make something up, throw it on someone else, and rail against them for what I said."

But I'm not going to say there is never an appropriate occasion for viewing porn.

Which I take to mean that you can conceive of a time and circumstance where it would be appropriate. Or not?

Yes. Timmy provide one example. I can perhaps think of a view others.

 

[subllibrm]

...their twisted version of "grace" to justify whatever perversion they want, all the while using God for the ability to enjoy things like "porn".

"Watch now as I make something up, throw it on someone else, and rail against them for what I said."

But I'm not going to say there is never an appropriate occasion for viewing porn.

Which I take to mean that you can conceive of a time and circumstance where it would be appropriate. Or not?

Yes. Timmy provide one example. I can perhaps think of a view others.

Which you could have said but chose not to. And since the subject was the willing participation in the subjects that Aman mentioned it is pretty disingenuous for you to throw law enforcement into the mix as if that had any application. Apples and pitchforks.

 

[praise_yeshua]

...their twisted version of "grace" to justify whatever perversion they want, all the while using God for the ability to enjoy things like "porn".

"Watch now as I make something up, throw it on someone else, and rail against them for what I said."

But I'm not going to say there is never an appropriate occasion for viewing porn.

Which I take to mean that you can conceive of a time and circumstance where it would be appropriate. Or not?

Yes. Timmy provide one example. I can perhaps think of a view others.

Which you could have said but chose not to. And since the subject was the willing participation in the subjects that Aman mentioned it is pretty disingenuous for you to throw law enforcement into the mix as if that had any application. Apples and pitchforks.

Would you stop fighting with yourself...

I agree with what you said. He's always been disingenuous in what he says....

 

[rsc2a]

...their twisted version of "grace" to justify whatever perversion they want, all the while using God for the ability to enjoy things like "porn".

"Watch now as I make something up, throw it on someone else, and rail against them for what I said."

But I'm not going to say there is never an appropriate occasion for viewing porn.

Which I take to mean that you can conceive of a time and circumstance where it would be appropriate. Or not?

Yes. Timmy provide one example. I can perhaps think of a view others.

Which you could have said but chose not to. And since the subject was the willing participation in the subjects that Aman mentioned it is pretty disingenuous for you to throw law enforcement into the mix as if that had any application. Apples and pitchforks.

Who knows? There could be legitimate uses for what some would label porn. Teaching aids, research...plenty of uses that don't involve erotic titillation. The world is bigger than your (and my) boxes.

 

[praise_yeshua]

...their twisted version of "grace" to justify whatever perversion they want, all the while using God for the ability to enjoy things like "porn".

"Watch now as I make something up, throw it on someone else, and rail against them for what I said."

But I'm not going to say there is never an appropriate occasion for viewing porn.

Which I take to mean that you can conceive of a time and circumstance where it would be appropriate. Or not?

Yes. Timmy provide one example. I can perhaps think of a view others.

A father or mother might want to confirm their daughter or son is in a film ....

This is also a reason for a Christian to enter a bar ... to remove their son or daughter ...

I get naked to take a bath or shower. That has nothing to do with a conversation about liberty.

 

[Tim]

...their twisted version of "grace" to justify whatever perversion they want, all the while using God for the ability to enjoy things like "porn".

"Watch now as I make something up, throw it on someone else, and rail against them for what I said."

But I'm not going to say there is never an appropriate occasion for viewing porn.

Which I take to mean that you can conceive of a time and circumstance where it would be appropriate. Or not?

Yes. Timmy provide one example. I can perhaps think of a view others.

A father or mother might want to confirm their daughter or son is in a film ....

This is also a reason for a Christian to enter a bar ... to remove their son or daughter ...

I get naked to take a bath or shower. That has nothing to do with a conversation about liberty.

If parents learned via a third party source that their grown daughter was in a porn film they would need to verify this. They would find the video and watch it. I would think God would allow the liberty to watch in this case. Some people might say she is in a porn film and be completely wrong. Watching the video will inform the parents. Some label certain things "porn" when it isn't even close.

 

[subllibrm]

Me: What do you want to do tonight honey?
She: Let's watch porn to see if our daughters are in it.

:

 

[subllibrm]

If parents learned via a third party source that their grown daughter was in a porn film they would need to verify this. They would find the video and watch it. I would think God would allow the liberty to watch in this case. Some people might say she is in a porn film and be completely wrong. Watching the video will inform the parents. Some label certain things "porn" when it isn't even close.

Does it hurt to contort your mind like that?

And here I thought the rat was dancing.