Verses Freebirds ignore or misunderstand when reading their Bibles.

[subllibrm]

No, the problem here is that you don't grasp the nuance of the discussion.  The issue at hand is using liberty in a licentious manner, which is addressed in several Scriptures, and in doing so you might lead others to sin.  You can (falsely) claim I am making up rules all you want, but your argument is with Scriptures and not me (which ironically, fits the theme of this thread to an absolute TEE).

What, exactly, do you feel are examples of folks using their liberty in a licentious manner, and what sin(s) do you think using that liberty would lead others to commit?  Specifics please.

Making the weaker brother stumble. How many times does he have to say it?

 

[FreeToBeMe]

Making the weaker brother stumble. How many times does he have to say it?

Methinks the only "brothers" he'd ever get close enough to "stumble" are those who live in the same fundamental baptist cave that he thrives in.  I don't believe he would even consider another Christian a "brother" unless that person bought into his line of thinking.

 

[subllibrm]

I saw in the pictures on the HAC forum that Mrs. Hyles went to a restaurant that serves corona beer. I have this image of the weaker brethren, a wake of them stumbling, following behind her licentious use of her freedom in Christ. She must be ignoring or misunderstanding that whole "appearance of evil" thing.

 

[subllibrm]

Making the weaker brother stumble. How many times does he have to say it?

Methinks the only "brothers" he'd ever get close enough to "stumble" are those who live in the same fundamental baptist cave that he thrives in.  I don't believe he would even consider another Christian a "brother" unless that person bought into his line of thinking.

Nah, he knows I'm his brother. 

 

[FreeToBeMe]

I saw in the pictures on the HAC forum that Mrs. Hyles went to a restaurant that serves corona beer. I have this image of the weaker brethren, a wake of them stumbling, following behind her licentious use of her freedom in Christ. She must be ignoring or misunderstanding that whole "appearance of evil" thing.

After having to deal with her adulterous late husband, she probably could care less what others feel about her licentious use of freedom.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Specific hermeneutic is not mandated by God but rather is relative to interpretation. Whether equally valid or not is what we are debating here. I don't know but perhaps that is how God intended it which is why faith is involved.

A hermeneutic is a tool for understanding truth/reality and discriminating it from falsehood.  The ability to ascertain truth is grounded in logic and reason, which are based on facts.  Faith is not blind trust, but built upon a coherent understanding of truth and reality (facts gleaned from knowledge).

I don't have any quibble with this. What I would like to mention then, our faith is not simply 'in the Bible' but rather our adopted hermeneutic in which we interpret it.

Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, not their own private facts.

And not being in the original audience to whom the compiled books of the canon were written, those 'facts' are more difficult do discern as we must rely on our adopted means of interpretation.

 

[Recovering IFB]

No, the problem here is that you don't grasp the nuance of the discussion.  The issue at hand is using liberty in a licentious manner, which is addressed in several Scriptures, and in doing so you might lead others to sin.  You can (falsely) claim I am making up rules all you want, but your argument is with Scriptures and not me (which ironically, fits the theme of this thread to an absolute TEE).

What, exactly, do you feel are examples of folks using their liberty in a licentious manner, and what sin(s) do you think using that liberty would lead others to commit?  Specifics please.

He won't answer that question....

 

[subllibrm]

No, the problem here is that you don't grasp the nuance of the discussion.  The issue at hand is using liberty in a licentious manner, which is addressed in several Scriptures, and in doing so you might lead others to sin.  You can (falsely) claim I am making up rules all you want, but your argument is with Scriptures and not me (which ironically, fits the theme of this thread to an absolute TEE).

What, exactly, do you feel are examples of folks using their liberty in a licentious manner, and what sin(s) do you think using that liberty would lead others to commit?  Specifics please.

He won't answer that question....

I did it for him. 

 

[FreeToBeMe]

He won't answer that question....

Then this whole thread is pointless and was created for nothing but sowing discord among the brethren.  Bet he never considered his liberty (as he sees it) to start senseless arguments might cause one of us to "stumble" and tell him to quit being a horse's ass. 

Oops...I just stumbled, and ALAYMAN caused it.  See how that works?

.........But, since he probably doesn't consider most of us his brothers in Christ, I guess he's got a pass on that one.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Over the course of the years on the FFF there have been numerous overtures made towards Freebirdism, on topics justifying flaunting booze, gambling, pot smoking, torture porn, house-church ecclesiology, and women preachers.  In the words of an obtuse rodent, "but lets just pretend otherwise".  Oh, and the spirit of Freebirds everywhere who want to promote unbiblical egalitarianism...

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.  29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Next thing ya know, this will be some Freebird's verse for promoting Transgenderism.

 

[Tim]

Over the course of the years on the FFF there have been numerous overtures made towards Freebirdism, on topics justifying flaunting booze, gambling, pot smoking, torture porn, house-church ecclesiology, and women preachers.  In the words of an obtuse rodent, "but lets just pretend otherwise".  Oh, and the spirit of Freebirds everywhere who want to promote unbiblical egalitarianism...

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.  29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Next thing ya know, this will be some Freebird's verse for promoting Transgenderism.

But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; and it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: and on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy. Acts 2:16-18

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Oh, and the spirit of Freebirds everywhere who want to promote unbiblical egalitarianism...

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.  29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

For your enjoyment.  ;D

 

[FreeToBeMe]

Over the course of the years on the FFF there have been numerous overtures made towards Freebirdism, on topics justifying flaunting booze, gambling, pot smoking, torture porn, house-church ecclesiology, and women preachers.  In the words of an obtuse rodent, "but lets just pretend otherwise".  Oh, and the spirit of Freebirds everywhere who want to promote unbiblical egalitarianism...

Yeah, it sure would be great if we could get everyone to go back to the fundamental "old paths" of bible-believin' Christians using scripture to justify slavery, wife beating, genocide, and other shady glorious aspects of the faith.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Oh, and the spirit of Freebirds everywhere who want to promote unbiblical egalitarianism...

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.  29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

For your enjoyment.  ;D

Ok SC, that caused me to stumble!! You'd better repent!!

 

[ALAYMAN]

Over the course of the years on the FFF there have been numerous overtures made towards Freebirdism, on topics justifying flaunting booze, gambling, pot smoking, torture porn, house-church ecclesiology, and women preachers.  In the words of an obtuse rodent, "but lets just pretend otherwise".  Oh, and the spirit of Freebirds everywhere who want to promote unbiblical egalitarianism...

Yeah, it sure would be great if we could get everyone to go back to the fundamental "old paths" of bible-believin' Christians using scripture to justify slavery, wife beating, genocide, and other shady glorious aspects of the faith.

You just moved the goalposts.  I gave you an answer to your question before this latest answer.  Now you change the subject, because you don't want answers, you just want to argue.  Get with the spirit of the thread, or go to the other one where there are plenty of Freebirds to slap you on the back and validate your own opinions.

 

[subllibrm]

Over the course of the years on the FFF there have been numerous overtures made towards Freebirdism, on topics justifying flaunting booze, gambling, pot smoking, torture porn, house-church ecclesiology, and women preachers.  In the words of an obtuse rodent, "but lets just pretend otherwise".  Oh, and the spirit of Freebirds everywhere who want to promote unbiblical egalitarianism...

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.  29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Next thing ya know, this will be some Freebird's verse for promoting Transgenderism.

Flaunting booze? I don't recall any flaunting unless a vigorous debate equal flaunting.

Gambling? No fan here so it wern't me.

Pot smoking? Not me.

Torture porn!?!?!?! Really?

House-church ecclesiology? Or we could just deny the universal church! 

Women preachers? Not me.

 

[FreeToBeMe]

You just moved the goalposts.  I gave you an answer to your question before this latest answer.  Now you change the subject, because you don't want answers, you just want to argue.  Get with the spirit of the thread, or go to the other one where there are plenty of Freebirds to slap you on the back and validate your own opinions.

Uh.....no.  You answered with generalities, not specifics.  Anyway, you should be used to moving goal posts.  That is one of your best forum talents.   

 

[ALAYMAN]

You just moved the goalposts.  I gave you an answer to your question before this latest answer.  Now you change the subject, because you don't want answers, you just want to argue.  Get with the spirit of the thread, or go to the other one where there are plenty of Freebirds to slap you on the back and validate your own opinions.

Uh.....no.  You answered with generalities, not specifics.  Anyway, you should be used to moving goal posts.  That is one of your best forum talents. 

Perfect evidence, you don't want discussion, you want disrespect and disruption.

 

[rsc2a]

Over the course of the years on the FFF there have been numerous overtures made towards Freebirdism, on topics justifying flaunting booze, gambling, pot smoking, torture porn, house-church ecclesiology, and women preachers.  In the words of an obtuse rodent, "but lets just pretend otherwise".  Oh, and the spirit of Freebirds everywhere who want to promote unbiblical egalitarianism...

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.  29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Next thing ya know, this will be some Freebird's verse for promoting Transgenderism.

Flaunting booze: What did this even mean?

Gambling: Who cares...just be responsible.

Pot smoking: Who cares...just be responsible.

House-churches: huh?

Woman preachers/egalitarianism: Scripture is a lot more complementarian than the egalitarians generally want to accept. It's also a lot more egalitarian than the complementarians generally want to accept.

Torture porn: Huh?

More importantly, I see a blanket prohibition nowhere in Scripture for the first five in my list.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Over the course of the years on the FFF there have been numerous overtures made towards Freebirdism, on topics justifying flaunting booze, gambling, pot smoking, torture porn, house-church ecclesiology, and women preachers.  In the words of an obtuse rodent, "but lets just pretend otherwise".  Oh, and the spirit of Freebirds everywhere who want to promote unbiblical egalitarianism...

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.  29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Next thing ya know, this will be some Freebird's verse for promoting Transgenderism.

Flaunting booze: What did this even mean?

Gambling: Who cares...just be responsible.

Pot smoking: Who cares...just be responsible.

House-churches: huh?

Woman preachers/egalitarianism: Scripture is a lot more complementarian than the egalitarians generally want to accept. It's also a lot more egalitarian than the complementarians generally want to accept.

Torture porn: Huh?

More importantly, I see a blanket prohibition nowhere in Scripture for the first five in my list.

Thank you, I see that wing, erm, hand.