Verses Freebirds ignore or misunderstand when reading their Bibles.

[FreeToBeMe]

Perfect evidence, you don't want discussion, you want disrespect and disruption.

Lest you forget, I asked this question for discussion....for which you provided no specific answers:

What, exactly, do you feel are examples of folks using their liberty in a licentious manner, and what sin(s) do you think using that liberty would lead others to commit?  Specifics please.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Still, he won't answer....

 

[ALAYMAN]

Still, he won't answer....

Pearls before swine and all that. 

Get with the spirit of the thread, or go join your backslappin' buddies for affirmation in the other one.

In honor of Ben Fields....

The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Over the course of the years on the FFF there have been numerous overtures made towards Freebirdism, on topics justifying flaunting booze, gambling, pot smoking, torture porn, house-church ecclesiology, and women preachers. 

For the rest of you, let me translate as best I can from ALAYMAN to English:

flaunting booze == discussing brands of beer or bourbon we enjoy
flaunting gambling == no translation available, I don't recall any gambling discussions
flaunting pot smoking == discussing the use of marijuana, and some people think it's permissible to use it in moderation
flaunting torture porn == no translation available, I don't recall any torture porn discussions
flaunting house-church ecclesiology == discussing Biblical early church gatherings as a model for today
flaunting women preachers == one person, a woman, saying she has nothing against women preachers - others may agree, I don't know

The only thing that surprises me about the above list is that it doesn't include cigar smoking. 

Now, whoever was caused to stumble based on the above, please let us know. 

Was it you, ALAYMAN?  Based on a thread in which discussion of bourbon appeared, did you run out and buy a case of bourbon and get stinking drunk?

 

[Ransom]

Over the course of the years on the FFF there have been numerous overtures made towards Freebirdism, on topics justifying flaunting booze, gambling, pot smoking, torture porn, house-church ecclesiology, and women preachers.

Torture porn!?!?!?! Really?

One of these days, I'm going to have to formalize a definition of the Law of Indistinct Induction.  Something like this:

"If you approve of some behaviour about which the Bible is silent or ambiguous, but which a fundy disapproves of, it cannot be a mere difference of opinion. Rather, the fundy must infer that it is a tacit admission that you know the behaviour is sinful, and you also secretly desire to commit even greater sins."

Or a shorter version: "Not having as strict standards as a fundy must mean that you have no standards at all."

Examples: Enjoying a bottle of beer proves you really want to get drunk or take illegal drugs, or preferring not to wear a tie to church means you would happily come naked if given the choice.

So, obviously, the Christian obligation to exercise one's liberty in spite of the ire of the Pharisees implies a desire to look at "torture porn." It's the law!

 

[Recovering IFB]

Still, he won't answer....

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The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

Which has nothing to do with the "spirit of the thread". Answer the question!! Specifically what sins are people committing which is causing you or others to stumble? Be specific and not obtuse!

 

[Ransom]

Martin Luther on Christian liberty (excerpted from his Lenten sermons):

Take note of these two things, "must" and "free." The "must" is that which necessity requires, and which must ever be unyielding; as, for instance, the faith, which I shall never permit any one to take away from me, but which I must always keep in my heart and freely confess before every one. But "free" is that in which I have choice, and may use or not, yet in such wise that it profit my brother and not me. Now do not make a "must" out of what is "free," as you have done, so that you may not be called to account for those who were led astray by your exercise of liberty without love. For if you entice any one to eat meat on Friday, and he is troubled about it on his deathbed, and thinks, Woe is me, for I have eaten meat and I am lost! God will call you to account for that soul. . . .

We must have patience with them for a time, and not cast out him who is weak in the faith; much more should we regulate our doing and our not doing according to the demands of love, provided no injury is done to our faith. (First Sermon on Invocavit Sunday)

Let us proceed and speak of the eating of meats. It is true that we are free to eat any manner of food, meats, fish, eggs or butter. This no one can deny. God has given us this liberty. That is true; nevertheless we must know how to use our liberty, and treat the weak brother differently from the stubborn. Observe, then, how you must use this liberty.

First of all, If you cannot give up meat without harm to yourself, or if you are sick, you may eat whatever you like, and if any one takes offense, let him be offended. And if the whole world took offense, yet you are not committing a sin, for God can excuse you in view of the liberty He has so graciously bestowed upon you, and of the necessities of your health, which would be endangered by your abstinence.

Secondly, If you should be pressed to eat fish instead of meat on Friday, and to eat fish and abstain from eggs and butter during Lent, etc., as the pope has done with his fools' laws, then you must in no wise allow yourself to be drawn away from the liberty in which God has placed you, but do just the contrary to spite him, and say: Because you forbid me to eat meat, and presume to turn my liberty into law, I will eat meat in spite of you. And thus you must do in all other things which are matters of liberty. (Fourth Sermon on the Wednesday after Invocavit)

So, following Luther, whose understanding of Christian liberty was as biblical as it could be, I will limit my liberty for the sake of others, if they will admit they are weak in the faith. Because if they are not, they have no right before God to limit my conscience by their scruples.

 

[Bo]

Over the course of the years on the FFF there have been numerous overtures made towards Freebirdism, on topics justifying flaunting booze, gambling, pot smoking, torture porn, house-church ecclesiology, and women preachers.  In the words of an obtuse rodent, "but lets just pretend otherwise".  Oh, and the spirit of Freebirds everywhere who want to promote unbiblical egalitarianism...

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.  29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Next thing ya know, this will be some Freebird's verse for promoting Transgenderism.

people on here have tried to DEFEND pornography???????

WOW!!!!    lol.....as obviously sinful as that is........

that is perfect example of trying to justify ones vices

 

[ALAYMAN]

people on here have tried to DEFEND pornography???????

No, no nudity-type porn, but something called "torture porn".  It was a phrase coined about a decade ago to describe the type of horror movies that glorifies the most disturbing displays of murder and dismemberment (think "Saw" and other similar slasher films).  Yes, people on the FFF said that crap was fitting for Christian consumption.

 

[rsc2a]

Like The Passion of the Christ?

 

[FreeToBeMe]

So, following Luther, whose understanding of Christian liberty was as biblical as it could be, I will limit my liberty for the sake of others, if they will admit they are weak in the faith. Because if they are not, they have no right before God to limit my conscience by their scruples.

Looks like you'll never have to limit your liberty around ALAYMAN then!

 

[ALAYMAN]

Looks like you'll never have to limit your liberty around ALAYMAN then!

lol, easy there bub, your annual post limit has just about been exceeded in just one day! 



I feel so honored.

 

[Bo]

Like The Passion of the Christ?

passion of Christ = educational so people (might) can get the slightest teeniest glimpse of what our Lord and Saviour went thru (which was the worst torture ever) to pay for each individual sin of each individual person that ever lived......so that they would understand the love that He has for them


saw(and any other torture porn) = gruesome tv just to entertain because its fun for some people to watch



yea...they are the exact same thing.....

 

[ALAYMAN]

Like The Passion of the Christ?

As graphic as that was, you prove your idiocy yet again.

 

[Bo]

Like The Passion of the Christ?

As graphic as that was, you prove your idiocy yet again.

no doubt

 

[FreeToBeMe]

lol, easy there bub, your annual post limit has just about been exceeded in just one day! 

Tends to happen when my BS meter pegs.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

While I happen to hate Saw and its sequels, and I normally avoid bloody and gory movies, I don't hate them all.  Some are funny because they're so outrageous and fake (typically Japanese gore movies, but the black knight scene in Holy Grail would qualify, too).  I can see why someone wouldn't want to watch them, but I don't see how that's sinful.

And then there are some movies that depict torture that I like because the bad guy(s) get their comeuppance in the end.  That's called "good vs. evil", and I see nothing wrong with that.  Again, how is that sinful?

 

[rsc2a]

Like The Passion of the Christ?

As graphic as that was, you prove your idiocy yet again.

I know! It's shocking that I should expect someone to be consistent in their outrage. People who violate the law need beat down...except some people. Torture porn is bad...except some torture porn. What's next? Just a little bit of adultery is cool?

 

[rsc2a]

Like The Passion of the Christ?

As graphic as that was, you prove your idiocy yet again.

no doubt

As a new guy, we could have hoped you would make substantive arguments instead of the name calling and personal attacks by one readily identifiable group here. Now we know you'd rather follow them than the example of Jesus.

 

[Bo]

im hardcore I reckon.....I believe watching soap operas or sitcoms with any kind of sexual reference in it or where actors are exempt from fornication because they are just "acting"  sin is sin....no matter what the situation....and me watching that is sinful being that I know it sin....sin = wicked.........

"I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me."