Verses Freebirds ignore or misunderstand when reading their Bibles.

[ALAYMAN]

So, abuse caused me to read every verse in this passage?

What?

 

[Recovering IFB]

The first thing I'd like to know is why you think a spirit that has been quickened, made alive, is incapable of responding to God's Spirit?  This is standard theology, and nothing that a Calvinist is afraid to answer.  Your answer to this might reveal why we talk past each other.

If a believer can't respond, its because  God hasn't empowered that certain believer to perform said task

1)  When you phrase your responses to me with contempt, derision, and condescension, what kind of rebuttal do you think you invite?

I am only responding to you with what I have noticed how you treat "freebirds" and others you disagree with. All you have to do is follow a thread when you and rsca go at it, to prove my point. You are a pretty smart guy Chris, I really mean that, but, you tend to be a condescending when you are challenged on a topic.
I mean, why even start this thread? why? because somebody attacked a "supposed" IFB practice?

2) Is your hermeneutical apparatus for deciding how to interpret apparently contradictory theological concepts based on counting which one has more verses?

again; I detect some snarkyism in your question. So I will take you serious for a moment. I take what I read in Scripture, according to the context on which said verses are written. Volume has nothing to do with it.

3) Being a Calvinist as you are, do you realize that within your own (reformed) camp that many fully certified Tulip-sniffers (like Sproul, Berkhoff, Hodge, etc) describe sanctification as synergistic?

Is this what you mean by respectful dialogue? name calling? I thought you were better than that.
Btw you forgot  Piper and DeYoung also; I said before. I see it as they mistake obedience as synergism.
Phil 1:6  Ez 36;26-27 and Romans 15:16 to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, ministering as a priest the gospel of God, so that my offering of the Gentiles may become acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 6:11  And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[subllibrm]

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And now for some free form southern fried rock and roll.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Westminster Confession of Faith (code for "hardcore Calvinist-speak")

Q: What is sanctification?
A:  Sanctification is the work of God's free grace,1 whereby we are renewed in the whole man after the image of God,2 and are enabled more and more to die unto sin, and live unto righteousness.3

This is precisely what I have been saying, God "enables" the believer to do righteousness, and that is what Scripture says.  Many Freebirds don't like this though, because it includes the concept of that 4-letter word......






work.


Faith without which, is dead.


And though I'm not absolutely certain that our brethren arguing against me are saying it exactly like the guy in the ensuing video (who calls people like Sproul heretics for believing in synergistic sanctification), it sure seems that they are in the same or similar camp with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE3zEuvBQ1A

 

[Recovering IFB]

But that is from God, not from ourselves. . You know, obedience.

 

[ALAYMAN]

But that is from God, not from ourselves. . You know, obedience.

Is our obedience all of God, or any of us?

 

[Recovering IFB]

We are empowered when we become new creatures. You the natural man does not obey God or can not please Him.

 

[ALAYMAN]

We are empowered when we become new creatures. You the natural man does not obey God or can not please Him.

Are you saying that "the natural man" is still present when we become new creatures?  And if so, how does our human person relate to this "new creature" as it relates to our own choices and actions (particularly relating to obedience)?

 

[subllibrm]

We are empowered when we become new creatures. You the natural man does not obey God or can not please Him.

Are you saying that "the natural man" is still present when we become new creatures?  And if so, how does our human person relate to this "new creature" as it relates to our own choices and actions (particularly relating to obedience)?

Paul pretty well covered this in Romans 7.

 

[ALAYMAN]

We are empowered when we become new creatures. You the natural man does not obey God or can not please Him.

Are you saying that "the natural man" is still present when we become new creatures?  And if so, how does our human person relate to this "new creature" as it relates to our own choices and actions (particularly relating to obedience)?

Paul pretty well covered this in Romans 7.

1) Let the RIFB answer for himself.
2) If you care to, how does this "natural man" theology relate to our part (if any) in sanctificatioin (or lack thereof)?

 

[subllibrm]

We are empowered when we become new creatures. You the natural man does not obey God or can not please Him.

Are you saying that "the natural man" is still present when we become new creatures?  And if so, how does our human person relate to this "new creature" as it relates to our own choices and actions (particularly relating to obedience)?

Paul pretty well covered this in Romans 7.

1) Let the RIFB answer for himself.
2) If you care to, how does this "natural man" theology relate to our part (if any) in sanctification (or lack thereof)?

Who will rescue me from this body of death? Yeah, Paul cover that too.

The Catholics want to (re)crucify Jesus every day while scripture tells us that it is us who are to die (crucified with Christ) daily. Paul reckoned this to be so. We must as well.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Who will rescue me from this body of death? Yeah, Paul cover that too.

The Catholics want to (re)crucify Jesus every day while scripture tells us that it is us who are to die (crucified with Christ) daily. Paul reckoned this to be so. We must as well.

What does "die daily" mean, and how does it relate to our sanctification?

 

[Bo]

We are empowered when we become new creatures. You the natural man does not obey God or can not please Him.

yes true....we are empowered but God never takes away our free will 

once we are saved and are born again its our minds that have changed and we have decided to turn away from our sin (or TRY to)

still our choice.....He is in us and empowers us....but we still make the decisions

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

We are empowered when we become new creatures. You the natural man does not obey God or can not please Him.

yes true....we are empowered but God never takes away our free will 

once we are saved and are born again its our minds that have changed and we have decided to turn away from our sin (or TRY to)

still our choice.....He is in us and empowers us....but we still make the decisions

Proverbs 16:9 A man?s heart plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps.

 

[Bo]

We are empowered when we become new creatures. You the natural man does not obey God or can not please Him.

yes true....we are empowered but God never takes away our free will 

once we are saved and are born again its our minds that have changed and we have decided to turn away from our sin (or TRY to)

still our choice.....He is in us and empowers us....but we still make the decisions

Proverbs 16:9 A man?s heart plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps.

yes....if he is a saved person...and the Lord DIRECTS it....but does not force.....

a director tells actors what they should do...and directs them to do it.....the actor is the one who preforms it.....

if that were not the case.....everyone would be saved and no one would ever sin....cause the Lord would not direct us to sin

 

[ALAYMAN]

Proverbs 16:9 A man?s heart plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps.

Thought you said you were done with this one?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Proverbs 16:9 A man?s heart plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps.

Thought you said you were done with this one?

I'm done with discussing Philippians with you.  Not the whole topic. 

 

[subllibrm]

Who will rescue me from this body of death? Yeah, Paul cover that too.

The Catholics want to (re)crucify Jesus every day while scripture tells us that it is us who are to die (crucified with Christ) daily. Paul reckoned this to be so. We must as well.

What does "die daily" mean, and how does it relate to our sanctification?

Let me gaze in my navel and see if I can't pull out something you can understand without fundamental explanations.

And you call others obtuse?  ???

 

[ALAYMAN]

Who will rescue me from this body of death? Yeah, Paul cover that too.

The Catholics want to (re)crucify Jesus every day while scripture tells us that it is us who are to die (crucified with Christ) daily. Paul reckoned this to be so. We must as well.

What does "die daily" mean, and how does it relate to our sanctification?

Let me gaze in my navel and see if I can't pull out something you can understand without fundamental explanations.

And you call others obtuse?  ???

I expect this kind of answer from some folk on here, but not from you.  The question is fundamental, yes, but it is an honest effort to see what you believe about the Christian's part in sanctification.  I can't know what you think something means if you don't explain yourself, and this subject (sanctification) has many nuances that cause disagreement, but by all means pretend that you've presented a thorough explanation of your position by such responses if it makes you feel better about yourself.

 

[subllibrm]

Who will rescue me from this body of death? Yeah, Paul cover that too.

The Catholics want to (re)crucify Jesus every day while scripture tells us that it is us who are to die (crucified with Christ) daily. Paul reckoned this to be so. We must as well.

What does "die daily" mean, and how does it relate to our sanctification?

Let me gaze in my navel and see if I can't pull out something you can understand without fundamental explanations.

And you call others obtuse?  ???

I expect this kind of answer from some folk on here, but not from you.  The question is fundamental, yes, but it is an honest effort to see what you believe about the Christian's part in sanctification.  I can't know what you think something means if you don't explain yourself, and this subject (sanctification) has many nuances that cause disagreement, but by all means pretend that you've presented a thorough explanation of your position by such responses if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Okay! It's not you, it's me. I thought I had been clear. I obviously wasn't. I forgot that I should be writing entries fit for a commentary rather than posts on a web forum.

I must now decide; go study to develop just the right exposition of what "die to self daily" means or put bullet through my temple because that is the obvious first meaning in of die to self (of course I will have some trouble tomorrow with the daily part).

Nice to see you too. How's your mother?