VoteYourConscience or VoteStrategically?

[Tarheel Baptist]

Rawstory, really?



earnestly contend

Forgive me.
No matter the source, little Steven is growing up....
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article91315672.html

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Since the end game strategy is already in place, it is of little concern or consequence to me. I will vote in such a way as to be able to face my savior unashamedly. That is what voting your conscience allows you to do.

A+

This is why I won't vote for either major party Presidential candidate.

Will you sign my Action Comics Collectors Edition after the election?

Only the King James edition.

 

[FSSL]

Once we get to the general election the choice is clear.

Yep!

 

[bgwilkinson]

In a representative republic only strategic voting will produce the best results.

Bickering over every difference is totally self serving and self defeating and allows those who vote strategically to win every time. That is how the liberals have been taking over the country for the last 100 years, little by little.

 

[sword]

In a representative republic only strategic voting will produce the best results.

Bickering over every difference is totally self serving and self defeating and allows those who vote strategically to win every time. That is how the liberals have been taking over the country for the last 100 years, little by little.

Welcome back B.G.  We don't always agree but we miss you when your not around. We also miss your Hammond updates with pictures.

 

[sword]

In a representative republic only strategic voting will produce the best results.
Bickering over every difference is totally self serving and self defeating and allows those who vote strategically to win every time. That is how the liberals have been taking over the country for the last 100 years, little by little.

I wonder if that is exactly what those who advocate staying home on election want. I think some of the "Christians" who see no difference want. They want her to win.

Based on posts we read here, some clearly align with Clinton's Values and the democratic platform over Trump & the Republican platform. If you compare side by side what each "wants" then no Christian could ever align with her. Show me one place, based on the bible, her position is more biblical than the Republicans.

The are clearly not the answer to this countries problems & their positions are not always biblical but compared to the other option why would you stay home at let the unsaved world decide for us.

 

[subllibrm]

Since the end game strategy is already in place, it is of little concern or consequence to me. I will vote in such a way as to be able to face my savior unashamedly. That is what voting your conscience allows you to do.

Will you sign my Bible after the election?

I can.  ???

 

[subllibrm]

FWIW I don't trust in chariots or in political parties.

This country doesn't have a political problem. It has a spiritual problem. The stated conservative position is that the government is not the solution to our problems, yet here we are arguing over which party will use the government to solve our problems.

The irony is delicious.

 

[FSSL]

The stated conservative position is that the government is not the solution to our problems, yet here we are arguing over which party will use the government to solve our problems.

The irony is delicious.

Yet, the Democrat party's objectives are to continue degrading the morals in society. This was seen recently where we lost Scalia and the liberal/Democrat SCOTUS sided with the abortion industry.

At stake is far more than just a party... it is the liberal take-over of all three branches of government.

 

[subllibrm]

The stated conservative position is that the government is not the solution to our problems, yet here we are arguing over which party will use the government to solve our problems.

The irony is delicious.

Yet, the Democrat party's objectives are to continue degrading the morals in society. This was seen recently where we lost Scalia and the liberal/Democrat SCOTUS sided with the abortion industry.

At stake is far more than just a party... it is the liberal take-over of all three branches of government.

And who nominated the Justices?

 

[FSSL]

Who nominated the justices?

Republican Presidents
(Good) Samuel Alito
(Not Great) Roberts
(Good) Thomas
(Not Great) Kennedy
(Good) Scalia (too bad he died)

Democrat Presidents
(Wacko Bad) Ginsburg
(Bad) Breyer
(Very Bad) Kaygan
(Bad) Sotomayer

Elect a Democrat, then you are GUARANTEED a liberal SCOTUS. Elect a Republican, then you have good chances at keeping America moral and free!

 

[Twisted]

The stated conservative position is that the government is not the solution to our problems, yet here we are arguing over which party will use the government to solve our problems.

The libertarian would say you have to get government to stop solving problems by stopping government from being involved.

Calvin Coolidge is missed.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Unless you can see the future you cannot 100% predict the consequence of your vote.
Voting for a third party candidate is not throwing away your vote anymore than voting for Trump in California is throwing away your vote. Both are assumptions but may not be true. In fact, writing in a vote is not 100% guaranteed to be useless.

However; if you insist on looking at percentages then not voting in the general election has just as much effect as voting for almost every single person. (I did not vote in the last general election yet even if I had voted, the outcome would not have changed. This holds true for almost everyone.)

 

[FSSL]

You sound like a hyperCalvinistVoter!

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

FWIW I don't trust in chariots or in political parties.

This country doesn't have a political problem. It has a spiritual problem. The stated conservative position is that the government is not the solution to our problems, yet here we are arguing over which party will use the government to solve our problems.

The irony is delicious.

I find Great Irony in Christians who think like you when it comes to politics.
Politicians become those who govern us and make the laws by which we are governed. What we need is a spiritual awakening we can all agree on.

But, awakening or not, we will be governed and we have a say...a vote...on those who will ultimately govern us. In January we will have a new President who will have a huge impact on how we are governed. It WILL BE either Trump or Hillary. The political and electoral reality is this: a vote for anyone other than Trump will be a vote for Hillary. If you understand that and vote with your eyes wide open, I'm good with that. But don't try to make us believe that isn't the reality.

And this post isn't directed at any one poster but to the #nevertrump and #neverhillary contingent....who are living in some alternate reality.

 

[sword]

Recent estimates say put those who profess to be Evangelical Christians to be between 19% & 29% with most estimates falling around 25%. The percent of the voting population who profess to be Evangelical Christians is much higher.

It is important to note, not all those who profess to be Evangelical vote Republican but most do. It is also important to note the Evangelical Christians population is not evenly spread across the country so they have a much larger effect in some areas over others. With that being said no Republican & no conservative Democrat will ever be elected again if the Evangelicals in mass choose to stay home.

   

 

[TheRealJonStewart]

Vote your conscience, I'll be voting third party then.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

A Republican with character:

Chairman Cuzzone:

We come together in political parties to magnify our influence. An organized representative institution can give weight to our will in ways we could not accomplish on our own. Working with others gives us power, but at the cost of constant, calculated compromise. No two people will agree on everything. There is no moral purity in politics.

If compromise is the key to healthy politics, how does one respond when compromise descends into complicity? To preserve a sense of our personal moral accountability we must each define boundaries. For those boundaries to have meaning we must have the courage to protect them, even when the cost is high.

Almost thirty years ago as a teenager in Texas, I attended my first county Republican convention. As a college student I met a young Rick Perry, fresh from his conversion to the GOP, as he was launching his first campaign for statewide office. Through Associated Republicans of Texas I contributed and volunteered for business-friendly Republican state and local candidates.

Here in DuPage County I?ve been a precinct committeeman since 2006. Door to door I?ve canvased my precinct in support of our candidates. Trudging through snow, using a drill to break the frozen ground, I posted signs for candidates on whom I pinned my hopes for better government. Among Illinois Republicans I found an organization that seemed to embody my hopes for the party nationally. Pragmatic, sensible, and focused on solid government, it seemed like a GOP Jurassic Park, where the sensible, reliable Republicans of old still roamed the landscape.

At the national level, the delusions necessary to sustain our Cold War coalition were becoming dangerous long before Donald Trump arrived. From tax policy to climate change, we have found ourselves less at odds with philosophical rivals than with the fundamentals of math, science and objective reality.

The Iraq War, the financial meltdown, the utter failure of supply-side theory, climate denial, and our strange pursuit of theocratic legislation have all been troubling. Yet it seemed that America?s party of commerce, trade, and pragmatism might still have time to sober up. Remaining engaged in the party implied a contribution to that renaissance, an investment in hope. Donald Trump has put an end to that hope.

From his fairy-tale wall to his schoolyard bullying and his flirtation with violent racists, Donald Trump offers America a singular narrative ? a tale of cowards. Fearful people, convinced of our inadequacy, trembling before a world alight with imaginary threats, crave a demagogue. Neither party has ever elevated to this level a more toxic figure, one that calls forth the darkest elements of our national character.

With three decades invested in the Republican Party, there is a powerful temptation to shrug and soldier on. Despite the bold rhetoric, we all know Trump will lose. Why throw away a great personal investment over one bad nominee? Trump is not merely a poor candidate, but an indictment of our character. Preserving a party is not a morally defensible goal if that party has lost its legitimacy.

Watching Ronald Reagan as a boy, I recall how bold it was for him to declare ?morning again? in America. In a country menaced by Communism and burdened by a struggling economy, the audacity of Reagan?s optimism inspired a generation.

Fast-forward to our present leadership and the nature of our dilemma is clear. I watched Paul Ryan speak at Donald Trump?s convention the way a young child watches his father march off to prison. Thousands of Republican figures that loathe Donald Trump, understand the danger he represents, and privately hope he loses, are publicly declaring their support for him. In Illinois our local and state GOP organizations, faced with a choice, have decided on complicity.

Our leaders? compromise preserves their personal capital at our collective cost. Their refusal to dissent robs all Republicans of moral cover. Evasion and cowardice has prevailed over conscience. We are now, and shall indefinitely remain, the Party of Donald Trump.

I will not contribute my name, my work, or my character to an utterly indefensible cause. No sensible adult demands moral purity from a political party, but conscience is meaningless without constraints. A party willing to lend its collective capital to Donald Trump has entered a compromise beyond any credible threshold of legitimacy. There is no redemption in being one of the ?good Nazis.?

I hereby resign my position as a York Township Republican committeeman. My thirty-year tenure as a Republican is over.

Sincerely,

Chris Ladd

GOPLifer Resignation Letter

 

[FSSL]

... well Ladd, there is always the DNC! Bwahahaha

 

[sword]

A Republican with character:

Chairman Cuzzone:
We come together in political parties to magnify our influence. An organized representative institution can give weight to our will in ways we could not accomplish on our own. Working with others gives us power, but at the cost of constant, calculated compromise. No two people will agree on everything. There is no moral purity in politics.
If compromise is the key to healthy politics, how does one respond when compromise descends into complicity? To preserve a sense of our personal moral accountability we must each define boundaries. For those boundaries to have meaning we must have the courage to protect them, even when the cost is high.
Almost thirty years ago as a teenager in Texas, I attended my first county Republican convention. As a college student I met a young Rick Perry, fresh from his conversion to the GOP, as he was launching his first campaign for statewide office. Through Associated Republicans of Texas I contributed and volunteered for business-friendly Republican state and local candidates.
Here in DuPage County I?ve been a precinct committeeman since 2006. Door to door I?ve canvased my precinct in support of our candidates. Trudging through snow, using a drill to break the frozen ground, I posted signs for candidates on whom I pinned my hopes for better government. Among Illinois Republicans I found an organization that seemed to embody my hopes for the party nationally. Pragmatic, sensible, and focused on solid government, it seemed like a GOP Jurassic Park, where the sensible, reliable Republicans of old still roamed the landscape.
At the national level, the delusions necessary to sustain our Cold War coalition were becoming dangerous long before Donald Trump arrived. From tax policy to climate change, we have found ourselves less at odds with philosophical rivals than with the fundamentals of math, science and objective reality.

The Iraq War, the financial meltdown, the utter failure of supply-side theory, climate denial, and our strange pursuit of theocratic legislation have all been troubling. Yet it seemed that America?s party of commerce, trade, and pragmatism might still have time to sober up. Remaining engaged in the party implied a contribution to that renaissance, an investment in hope. Donald Trump has put an end to that hope.

From his fairy-tale wall to his schoolyard bullying and his flirtation with violent racists, Donald Trump offers America a singular narrative ? a tale of cowards. Fearful people, convinced of our inadequacy, trembling before a world alight with imaginary threats, crave a demagogue. Neither party has ever elevated to this level a more toxic figure, one that calls forth the darkest elements of our national character.

With three decades invested in the Republican Party, there is a powerful temptation to shrug and soldier on. Despite the bold rhetoric, we all know Trump will lose. Why throw away a great personal investment over one bad nominee? Trump is not merely a poor candidate, but an indictment of our character. Preserving a party is not a morally defensible goal if that party has lost its legitimacy.

Watching Ronald Reagan as a boy, I recall how bold it was for him to declare ?morning again? in America. In a country menaced by Communism and burdened by a struggling economy, the audacity of Reagan?s optimism inspired a generation.

Fast-forward to our present leadership and the nature of our dilemma is clear. I watched Paul Ryan speak at Donald Trump?s convention the way a young child watches his father march off to prison. Thousands of Republican figures that loathe Donald Trump, understand the danger he represents, and privately hope he loses, are publicly declaring their support for him. In Illinois our local and state GOP organizations, faced with a choice, have decided on complicity.

Our leaders? compromise preserves their personal capital at our collective cost. Their refusal to dissent robs all Republicans of moral cover. Evasion and cowardice has prevailed over conscience. We are now, and shall indefinitely remain, the Party of Donald Trump.

I will not contribute my name, my work, or my character to an utterly indefensible cause. No sensible adult demands moral purity from a political party, but conscience is meaningless without constraints. A party willing to lend its collective capital to Donald Trump has entered a compromise beyond any credible threshold of legitimacy. There is no redemption in being one of the ?good Nazis.?

I hereby resign my position as a York Township Republican committeeman. My thirty-year tenure as a Republican is over.
Sincerely,
Chris Ladd

GOPLifer Resignation Letter

Good to see you go.
I'm glad to see those who just want us to be DNC light leave.
I'm not a trump supporter but remember he has go more votes in the primary then any candidate in history. I see to a ton of hunters & other gun owners who plan to cross over also this November. I see many in this armed forces & their families who will not vote for Hilary. I see union people, fire fighters, police officers, Coal miners, oil & gas workers and many other traditionally moderate democrats switching sides.  They are all tired of the (Left) destroying our country. (and when it comes to trade the (Right) also).

Sure I dislike some of his positions & his lack of polish. I would prefer him to act more Presidentul & to be a little clearer on his positions. I would prefer a Constitutional Conservative who was a good moral christian man, but this is what we have. He's all we got and he beats the stated policies & positions of the other side 100 times over.

So I say to those who want to move the Republican to where the Democrats were just a few years ago I say good by & good riddance.