Wal Mart Vs. the Morons...
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[quote author=sword]Acording to FAIRTAX.ORG the fair tax would eliminate the income tax & replace it with a 25 to 30% sales tax.
If you make less than $60,000 a year you would clearly pay more with the fair tax. The richest 10% would save 100's of millions in taxes.[/quote]
Only if you completely ignore the prebate portion of the proposal...
If you make less than $60,000 a year you would clearly pay more with the fair tax. The richest 10% would save 100's of millions in taxes.[/quote]
Only if you completely ignore the prebate portion of the proposal...
The United States lost 6 million manufacturing jobs between 2000 and 2009. At least, that's the official count from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Another 3 to 4 million non-factory manufacturing job losses are excluded from those numbers.
At least 3.5 million of those jobs moved to Asia & of that number 2.7 million were to china.
Walmart actively pressures its suppliers to move off shore if they are to do business with them. Such actions on the part of a U.S. company should be illegal.
Note 95% of everything Walmart sells in its stores in China are from local suppliers which is great for China. Less than 10% of Walmart general merchandise sales in U.S. are manufactured in the U.S.
See Amy Traub’s points below:
NOT MADE IN AMERICA: TOP 10 WAYS WALMART DESTROYS US MANUFACTURING JOBS
Amy Traub | July 2, 2012 (link to full article below)
1. Buying billions of goods that weren’t made in America.
2. Pushing U.S. companies to move their factories overseas.
3. Making it easier for other U.S. retailers to buy from foreign factories.
4. Forcing layoffs among its U.S. suppliers.
5. Promoting domestic sweatshops.
6. Squeezing U.S. manufacturers out of business.
7. Discouraging American innovation.
8. Driving competitors to squeeze manufacturing.
9. Lobbying for policies that make it easier to move U.S. jobs overseas.
10. Making growing inequality the accepted norm
Full article at link below
http://www.tradereform.org/2012/07/not-made-in-america-top-10-ways-walmart-destroys-us-manufacturing-jobs/
At least 3.5 million of those jobs moved to Asia & of that number 2.7 million were to china.
Walmart actively pressures its suppliers to move off shore if they are to do business with them. Such actions on the part of a U.S. company should be illegal.
Note 95% of everything Walmart sells in its stores in China are from local suppliers which is great for China. Less than 10% of Walmart general merchandise sales in U.S. are manufactured in the U.S.
See Amy Traub’s points below:
NOT MADE IN AMERICA: TOP 10 WAYS WALMART DESTROYS US MANUFACTURING JOBS
Amy Traub | July 2, 2012 (link to full article below)
1. Buying billions of goods that weren’t made in America.
2. Pushing U.S. companies to move their factories overseas.
3. Making it easier for other U.S. retailers to buy from foreign factories.
4. Forcing layoffs among its U.S. suppliers.
5. Promoting domestic sweatshops.
6. Squeezing U.S. manufacturers out of business.
7. Discouraging American innovation.
8. Driving competitors to squeeze manufacturing.
9. Lobbying for policies that make it easier to move U.S. jobs overseas.
10. Making growing inequality the accepted norm
Full article at link below
http://www.tradereform.org/2012/07/not-made-in-america-top-10-ways-walmart-destroys-us-manufacturing-jobs/
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So much disinformation in this thread.
I work for Walmart. I like my job. I can share the truth if people are interested. I read so many things about Walmart online that are so far from the truth that it makes it hard to even care about the things Walmart does that are bad.
Also:
I work for Walmart. I like my job. I can share the truth if people are interested. I read so many things about Walmart online that are so far from the truth that it makes it hard to even care about the things Walmart does that are bad.
Also:
This was in poor taste. Though I realize you qualified it better a few posts later -BandGuy said:
(Either you think everyone who works for Walmart is stupid or you think the only jobs at Walmart are door greeter and shopping cart collector?)BandGuy said:
Darkwing Duck said:
Actually, right now, I just think you are the one who is stupid. BTW, my mother in law works at Wal Mart as a greeter. She is, however, unlike you, very intelligent because she realizes that this is merely a supplement to her retirement and a way to get out of the house and be around more people. BTW, I don't think most people at Wal Mart are really delusional enough to think that working as a greeter is a great way to make a living. You, however, appear to be stupid enough to think so.
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BandGuy said:
Ha. I guess I wasn't clear. Sorry about that. I meant to say that plenty of people can find careers and support a family working for Walmart. I thought you were implying that is not true. But then you said only greeters and cart pushers can't support a family (or at least can't make that a career) which I agree with. It just sounded like you didn't realize that there are other jobs at Walmart and plenty of people have careers there - not just the stupid people.
Darkwing Duck said:
Of course there are plenty of jobs that could be decent careers at Wal Mart. None of them, however, involve duties that a general employee would do. They are in management, computer services, etc... (stuff that people with degrees do). To clarify further: I do not believe my mother in law is stupid because she is a greeter. She is actually quite intelligent. The only people who I would classify as stupid would be those who think wrangling carts, stocking shelves, and working as a greeter, etc... should be anything other than an entry level job or a supplement to a person's retirement.
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Why is it that today, people think that they deserve to make a living at low skilled, non-technical type jobs when 30 years ago that mentality did not seem to exist en masse?
I worked plenty of entry level jobs as a teenager and a young man.
Dishwasher, busboy, car washer, shelf stocker.
Most jobs I worked at were not mom and pop stores, but major chain businesses such as Holiday Inn and American International rent a car.
I never expected more than entry level pay b/c it was a job that involved little risk and little knowledge.
I realized that this was not a permanent job but an easy way to meet my needs at the time.
I was taught as a child that if you want to live a good life, get an education, get a skill of some kind.
That's why I went to the Air Force, that's why I earned two college degrees.
I worked plenty of entry level jobs as a teenager and a young man.
Dishwasher, busboy, car washer, shelf stocker.
Most jobs I worked at were not mom and pop stores, but major chain businesses such as Holiday Inn and American International rent a car.
I never expected more than entry level pay b/c it was a job that involved little risk and little knowledge.
I realized that this was not a permanent job but an easy way to meet my needs at the time.
I was taught as a child that if you want to live a good life, get an education, get a skill of some kind.
That's why I went to the Air Force, that's why I earned two college degrees.
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16KJV11 said:
Like I said, eliminate minimum wage and enact strict welfare reform. If you also eliminate benefits to illegal immigrants, then they'll all go home because there's nothing to gain here. They'll also go home because people who exploit illegal workers with low pay will no longer have a reason to do so. Unemployment will immediately drop because Americans who are willing to do menial work for very low pay will get those jobs. People who want more money will have to learn more skills and earn more money. Let the free market be free.
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There was a day when a young person could actually work their way through college.
Co-worker went to a local religious university 1970-74. He enrolled and took full-time classes. He worked 20 hours a week in the cafeteria. Used the paycheck to pay his tuition. Lived at home, graduated totally debt free.
That same school now charges $100,000 for the same 4 year degree. Where does a young person find a 20 hour a week job paying $24 hr to pay that bill? And yes I did the math but I made it 52 weeks rather that the school year that he worked.
We keep telling our kids to go get a degree so they can make more money. Great concept if you find work in your field right out of college. Most targeted degrees have a shelf life of 2-3 years. After that, potential employers won't hire you. Either because they assume that there is something wrong with you that caused your current state or because the field has moved beyond what you learned and they aren't interested in a remediation plan for your education when they can hire a fresh graduate. With or without the job, you are likely sitting on a small mortgage payment without the benefit of a house to go with it.
I say all of that to say this; many of those moron "losers" working at WalMart have degrees. They are are working in those dead end jobs because the above phenomenon has caught hold of them and they have to pay those loans somehow.
Co-worker went to a local religious university 1970-74. He enrolled and took full-time classes. He worked 20 hours a week in the cafeteria. Used the paycheck to pay his tuition. Lived at home, graduated totally debt free.
That same school now charges $100,000 for the same 4 year degree. Where does a young person find a 20 hour a week job paying $24 hr to pay that bill? And yes I did the math but I made it 52 weeks rather that the school year that he worked.
We keep telling our kids to go get a degree so they can make more money. Great concept if you find work in your field right out of college. Most targeted degrees have a shelf life of 2-3 years. After that, potential employers won't hire you. Either because they assume that there is something wrong with you that caused your current state or because the field has moved beyond what you learned and they aren't interested in a remediation plan for your education when they can hire a fresh graduate. With or without the job, you are likely sitting on a small mortgage payment without the benefit of a house to go with it.
I say all of that to say this; many of those moron "losers" working at WalMart have degrees. They are are working in those dead end jobs because the above phenomenon has caught hold of them and they have to pay those loans somehow.
subllibrm said:
1. Join the band.
2. Work hard and make really good grades.
3. Get a band and academic scholarship.
4. Pick a college based on where you're going to get the best education for your career field and not based on where the best parties are.
5. Work your butt off and finish as fast as possible.
6. Go get a job.
7. If the above is not possible for you, go find a job that doesn't require a college degree, and yes, there are careers out there that will pay a decent living wage without a college degree.
8. Did you know that colleges like Stanford offer discounted tuition based on your parent's income? Neither did I till a friend of mine from college who now works in the research department at Stanford posted some information about it. Even very expensive universities can be accessible to those who grew up in homes that are not inhabited by doctors and lawyers: http://www.stanford.edu/dept/finaid/undergrad/how/parent.html
Opportunities are already out there for everyone. Don't tell me that Wal Mart has to raise minimum wage for little Johnny to go to a great college and have a chance. It simply isn't true anymore.
1000's of jobs out there for kids in the future.
10 Businesses That Will Boom in 2020
To zero in on fields with plenty of jobs and good pay, start planning now.
By Rick Newman
But you have to anchor your career somewhere, so here are 10 fields that are likely to flourish in 2020:
1. Data crunching. Tee era of big data is just getting started, with many firms eager to tap vast new databases to gather more info on their customers, their competitors, and even themselves. The challenge isn't just crunching numbers; it's making sense of them, and gaining useful insights that can be translated into a business edge. Marketing and market research are two growing fields where the use of data is exploding.
2. Counseling and therapy. There's now widespread recognition that mental health is as important as physical health, which is likely to increase demand for professionals in this field. The BLS expects the need for marriage and family therapists, as one example, to grow 41 percent by 2020.
3. Scientific research. New technology will continue to generate breakthroughs in medicine, manufacturing, transportation, and many other fields, which means there will be strong demand for workers schooled in biology, chemistry, math, and engineering. Some areas that show particular promise: biotechnology and biomedicine, nanotechnology, robotics, and 3D printing, which allows the manufacture of physical products from a digital data file.
4. Computer engineering. A lot of software development is done overseas these days, but the need for high-level computer experts able to tie systems together is still strong. In finance and investing, for instance, high-speed computing is increasingly a prime competitive advantage. And most big companies will need networks that are faster, more seamless, and more secure.
5. Veterinarians. Pets are more popular than ever, and some of them get medical care that's practically fit for a human. The BLS expects the need for vets to rise 36 percent by 2020.
6. Environmental and conservation science. Making better use of the planet's resources will be essential as population growth strains existing infrastructure. Green energy, despite some political controversy, still seems likely to boom. Developers need more efficient ways to heat and cool buildings. And dealing with global warming may require new technology not even on the drawing board yet.
7. Some healthcare fields. It's well-known that the aging of the baby boomers will require more caregivers in many specialties. Some healthcare jobs tend to be low-paying, with a lot of workers flocking to what are supposed to be "recession-proof" fields. And the need to lower overall healthcare costs could pinch some doctors, hospital workers, and diagnosticians. But demand should be strong for nurses, optometrists, audiologists, dentists, physical therapists, and some doctor specialists.
8. Management. The boss earns a lot for good reason: His job isn't as easy as it might seem. Effective management in the future will require basic business knowledge plus the ability to oversee operations in many locations and countries, and some technical know-how. Anybody who can improve a unit's performance while lowering costs should rise quickly. The BLS and IBISWorld also expect growing demand for some support fields such as human relations, benefits administration, and event planning.
9. Finance. The movement and management of money is technically complex, and integral to most companies. Plus, nontraditional investing firms such as hedge funds and private-equity firms are likely to grow as the traditional banking sector complies with new regulations and reins in risk-taking. That means there will be more need for finance experts. There may even be a shortage as students once interested in finance veer into other fields, turned off by the 2008 financial crisis and the vilification of banks.
10. Entrepreneurship. It's often overlooked, but the need for innovators running their own businesses could be more important than ever in 2020. Forecasters expect strong growth in traditional businesses such as used-car dealers, hair and nail salons, pet grooming, and office services, which means anybody able to come up with better, cheaper ways to serve customers will reap a windfall. Technology startups will no doubt keep changing the way consumers work and live. And nobody really knows what the next iPad, Twitter, or Pinterest will be—except, perhaps, some entrepreneur who's dreaming about it right now. He or she may have a bigger impact on life in 2020 than anything the forecasters see coming.
10 Businesses That Will Boom in 2020
To zero in on fields with plenty of jobs and good pay, start planning now.
By Rick Newman
But you have to anchor your career somewhere, so here are 10 fields that are likely to flourish in 2020:
1. Data crunching. Tee era of big data is just getting started, with many firms eager to tap vast new databases to gather more info on their customers, their competitors, and even themselves. The challenge isn't just crunching numbers; it's making sense of them, and gaining useful insights that can be translated into a business edge. Marketing and market research are two growing fields where the use of data is exploding.
2. Counseling and therapy. There's now widespread recognition that mental health is as important as physical health, which is likely to increase demand for professionals in this field. The BLS expects the need for marriage and family therapists, as one example, to grow 41 percent by 2020.
3. Scientific research. New technology will continue to generate breakthroughs in medicine, manufacturing, transportation, and many other fields, which means there will be strong demand for workers schooled in biology, chemistry, math, and engineering. Some areas that show particular promise: biotechnology and biomedicine, nanotechnology, robotics, and 3D printing, which allows the manufacture of physical products from a digital data file.
4. Computer engineering. A lot of software development is done overseas these days, but the need for high-level computer experts able to tie systems together is still strong. In finance and investing, for instance, high-speed computing is increasingly a prime competitive advantage. And most big companies will need networks that are faster, more seamless, and more secure.
5. Veterinarians. Pets are more popular than ever, and some of them get medical care that's practically fit for a human. The BLS expects the need for vets to rise 36 percent by 2020.
6. Environmental and conservation science. Making better use of the planet's resources will be essential as population growth strains existing infrastructure. Green energy, despite some political controversy, still seems likely to boom. Developers need more efficient ways to heat and cool buildings. And dealing with global warming may require new technology not even on the drawing board yet.
7. Some healthcare fields. It's well-known that the aging of the baby boomers will require more caregivers in many specialties. Some healthcare jobs tend to be low-paying, with a lot of workers flocking to what are supposed to be "recession-proof" fields. And the need to lower overall healthcare costs could pinch some doctors, hospital workers, and diagnosticians. But demand should be strong for nurses, optometrists, audiologists, dentists, physical therapists, and some doctor specialists.
8. Management. The boss earns a lot for good reason: His job isn't as easy as it might seem. Effective management in the future will require basic business knowledge plus the ability to oversee operations in many locations and countries, and some technical know-how. Anybody who can improve a unit's performance while lowering costs should rise quickly. The BLS and IBISWorld also expect growing demand for some support fields such as human relations, benefits administration, and event planning.
9. Finance. The movement and management of money is technically complex, and integral to most companies. Plus, nontraditional investing firms such as hedge funds and private-equity firms are likely to grow as the traditional banking sector complies with new regulations and reins in risk-taking. That means there will be more need for finance experts. There may even be a shortage as students once interested in finance veer into other fields, turned off by the 2008 financial crisis and the vilification of banks.
10. Entrepreneurship. It's often overlooked, but the need for innovators running their own businesses could be more important than ever in 2020. Forecasters expect strong growth in traditional businesses such as used-car dealers, hair and nail salons, pet grooming, and office services, which means anybody able to come up with better, cheaper ways to serve customers will reap a windfall. Technology startups will no doubt keep changing the way consumers work and live. And nobody really knows what the next iPad, Twitter, or Pinterest will be—except, perhaps, some entrepreneur who's dreaming about it right now. He or she may have a bigger impact on life in 2020 than anything the forecasters see coming.
High growth jobs in health care & % growth by 2020:
Health care:
• Personal Care Aide: 48.8 percent
• Home Health Aide: 48.5 percent
• Diagnostic Medical Sonographer: 46 percent
• Occupational Therapy Assistant: 42.6 percent
• Physical Therapist Assistant: 41 percent
• Esthetician: 39.8 percent
• Physician Assistant: 38.4 percent
• Medical Secretary: 36 percent
• Physical Therapist: 36 percent
• Nurse Practitioner: 33.7 percent
• Dental Hygienist: 33.3 percent
• Substance Abuse and Behavioral Disorder Counselor: 31.4 percent
• Marriage and Family Therapist: 30.6 percent
• Medical Equipment Repairer: 30.3 percent
Check out the US News & World report \Money\Careers section for similar lists in other sectors.
Lots of jobs if young people will only get qualified to fill them.
Health care:
• Personal Care Aide: 48.8 percent
• Home Health Aide: 48.5 percent
• Diagnostic Medical Sonographer: 46 percent
• Occupational Therapy Assistant: 42.6 percent
• Physical Therapist Assistant: 41 percent
• Esthetician: 39.8 percent
• Physician Assistant: 38.4 percent
• Medical Secretary: 36 percent
• Physical Therapist: 36 percent
• Nurse Practitioner: 33.7 percent
• Dental Hygienist: 33.3 percent
• Substance Abuse and Behavioral Disorder Counselor: 31.4 percent
• Marriage and Family Therapist: 30.6 percent
• Medical Equipment Repairer: 30.3 percent
Check out the US News & World report \Money\Careers section for similar lists in other sectors.
Lots of jobs if young people will only get qualified to fill them.
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I find it funny how you guys keep reading into what I write all sorts of bugbears that aren't there. Of course it is easier to do if you completely ignore what I do write.
Band Guy, I have made no comment in support of raising the minimum wage.
Over the last few days:
I did point out that many WalMart employees are college educated. This was to point out that "WalMart employee" and moron are not synonymous as many here seem to believe.
I did point out that college is much more expensive than it once was.
I did show the disconnect between what people say they believe and what they do (participating in the"good" parts of Obamacare that one likes while disparaging the law as a whole).
I have made the argument that the language used in these discussions (deadbeat, moron, baby daddy et al) are totally ungodly and worthy of rebuke. When professed believers let their political leanings take them down the road of disparaging image bearers of God, it is right and proper to call foul.
And I have apparently stepped on toes causing uncontrolled knee-jerk reactions.
Band Guy, I have made no comment in support of raising the minimum wage.
Over the last few days:
I did point out that many WalMart employees are college educated. This was to point out that "WalMart employee" and moron are not synonymous as many here seem to believe.
I did point out that college is much more expensive than it once was.
I did show the disconnect between what people say they believe and what they do (participating in the"good" parts of Obamacare that one likes while disparaging the law as a whole).
I have made the argument that the language used in these discussions (deadbeat, moron, baby daddy et al) are totally ungodly and worthy of rebuke. When professed believers let their political leanings take them down the road of disparaging image bearers of God, it is right and proper to call foul.
And I have apparently stepped on toes causing uncontrolled knee-jerk reactions.
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+1subllibrm said:I find it funny how you guys keep reading into what I write all sorts of bugbears that aren't there. Of course it is easier to do if you completely ignore what I do write.
Band Guy, I have made no comment in support of raising the minimum wage.
Over the last few days:
I did point out that many WalMart employees are college educated. This was to point out that "WalMart employee" and moron are not synonymous as many here seem to believe.
I did point out that college is much more expensive than it once was.
I did show the disconnect between what people say they believe and what they do (participating in the"good" parts of Obamacare that one likes while disparaging the law as a whole).
I have made the argument that the language used in these discussions (deadbeat, moron, baby daddy et al) are totally ungodly and worthy of rebuke. When professed believers let their political leanings take them down the road of disparaging image bearers of God, it is right and proper to call foul.
And I have apparently stepped on toes causing uncontrolled knee-jerk reactions.