Was Christ a Geocentrist?

in matthew 9 Jesus heals a man with palsy by saying "thy sins be forgiven thee"... and when challenged by the pharisees, He asked them - "which is easier to say?... thy sins be forgiven thee or take up thy bed and walk?...

what if Jesus had said "the disease process that deprived your brain of blood and oxygen has been corrected.. and your legs will work now" ?.... . that;s a simplified explanation even for non medically trained people here in the 21st century .. but would anyone have understood that 2000 years ago?...

in joshua 10 - in the view of both joshua and the men of that time... the sun stood still..... .. easy enough to say.... and.. from their perspective.. visually correct... but could they have possibly wrapped their heads around the concept of solar system dynamics when they didn;t even know what a solar system was?...... ..

and right before that event a bunch of highly accurate meteorites fell to earth and just happened to land on the heads of the enemy... killing more of them than joshuas army itself killed?..... unless they materialized out of nothing... (which God is perfectly capable of causing).... then they were set into motion long before joshuas battle would be fought.... but how do you explain those concepts to ancient man without causing their heads to explode?

Christ was not a geocentrist... but the men of His time were.... God took their hardness of heads into consideration 2000 years ago, just like He did with their hardness of hearts in moses time..... unfortuntely both those human conditions are still present today.... just softened a little....
 
Ekklesian said:
Enlighten me, then. Allow me to "Bask in the sunshine of yo' warm [intuhllecktuality] fo' evah!" (Mercer, Panama, Frank. 1956)
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Oops. Fundies can google. Warning: Do NOT watch clips on YouTube. Yo' will be fo'evah tainted.
 
aleshanee said:
in matthew 9 Jesus heals a man with palsy by saying "thy sins be forgiven thee"... and when challenged by the pharisees, He asked them - "which is easier to say?... thy sins be forgiven thee or take up thy bed and walk?...

what if Jesus had said "the disease process that deprived your brain of blood and oxygen has been corrected.. and your legs will work now" ?.... . that;s a simplified explanation even for non medically trained people here in the 21st century .. but would anyone have understood that 2000 years ago?...

in joshua 10 - in the view of both joshua and the men of that time... the sun stood still..... .. easy enough to say.... and.. from their perspective.. visually correct... but could they have possibly wrapped their heads around the concept of solar system dynamics when they didn;t even know what a solar system was?...... ..

and right before that event a bunch of highly accurate meteorites fell to earth and just happened to land on the heads of the enemy... killing more of them than joshuas army itself killed?..... unless they materialized out of nothing... (which God is perfectly capable of causing).... then they were set into motion long before joshuas battle would be fought.... but how do you explain those concepts to ancient man without causing their heads to explode?

Christ was not a geocentrist... but the men of His time were.... God took their hardness of heads into consideration 2000 years ago, just like He did with their hardness of hearts in moses time..... unfortuntely both those human conditions are still present today.... just softened a little....
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God's revelation of Himself, His works, and of the condition of man, was always according to truth. He never conceded or bowed to misconception.
 
aleshanee said:
in matthew 9 Jesus heals a man with palsy by saying "thy sins be forgiven thee"... and when challenged by the pharisees, He asked them - "which is easier to say?... thy sins be forgiven thee or take up thy bed and walk?...
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The answer to the question is, It's easier to say, "Thy sins be forgiven thee," because that is something that cannot be seen.

But He said to the sick of the Palsy, "Take up thy bed, and walk."

And the sick of the Palsy did just that. It didn't just look like he did.
 
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Huk said:
You’re not even a funny troll…we’ll, you might be funny, just not the ha-ha kind of funny. 😬
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Engaging me will be an experience of which you will tell your grandchildren. "I met a man who really believed the Bible."
 
Ekklesian said:
Engaging me will be an experience of which you will tell your grandchildren. "I met a man who really believed the Bible."
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Well, you’ve certainly done a 180. When you first got on here and started spewing your utter nonsense a couple weeks ago, you couldn’t even commit to an admission or denial of whether you were a humanist or not. You’re just clickbait in a weird avatar boy kind of way.
 
Ekklesian said:
The answer to the question is, It's easier to say, "Thy sins be forgiven thee," because that is something that cannot be seen.

But He said to the sick of the Palsy, "Take up thy bed, and walk."

And the sick of the Palsy did just that. It didn't just look like he did.
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to which an ultra skeptic... (or even a fundamentalist extremer)... might have noted..... "see?... the man could have done that all along... he just didn;t want to do it bad enough.. ".. .... ....but we know otherwise because we understand disease and physiology better than the common people of that time did...... and Jesus wasn;t there to hold medical lectures anyway..... so He simply said what He did in a way the people of the time could understand... and which we 2000 years later who do have more advanced medical knowledge, would have no trouble understanding either...... ..

you can;t make a point out of split hairs... and i;m not following the reasoning behind the question in the OP unless it is to question the Diety of Christ by implying Jesus might not have known the truth about the solar sytem.. and therefore might not have been God in the flesh.. ...it;s been attempted here before... on previous fffs.... even on this one if remember correctly... . it;s really nothing new.....
 
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Engaging me will be an experience of which you will tell your grandchildren. "I met a man who really believed the Bible."
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By contrast, being accused of unbelief in the Bible by a geocentrist, a flat-eather, or a KJV-onlyist should all produce the same emotion in a Christian: a profound sense of indifference.
 
Ransom said:
By contrast, being accused of unbelief in the Bible by a geocentrist, a flat-eather, or a KJV-onlyist should all produce the same emotion in a Christian: a profound sense of indifference.
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No one accused anyone of not believing. I said asked if one believed a certain account happened "as written."
 
aleshanee said:
to which an ultra skeptic... (or even a fundamentalist extremer)... might have noted..... "see?... the man could have done that all along... he just didn;t want to do it bad enough.. ".. .... ....but we know otherwise because we understand disease and physiology better than the common people of that time did......
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Unbelief, as people are, is the same from age to age. It doesn't matter the quality of the evidence, an unbeliever will always have an answer of some kind.

But the ancients understood the difference between demon possession and mental illness. One was called a demoniac, and the other a lunatic.

So don't get too high minded about the degree of advance you might imagine we have made.

And the evidence of His divinity that Christ provided is absolutely true from age to age. He didn't tailor it for the spirit or mentality of the age. Everything He did was according to truth. Who today can make a withered hand whole, restore sight to the blind, make the lame man leap as an hart, or raise the dead?

And who today can say unto the paraplegic (modern terminology) arise, take up thy bed, and walk?

aleshanee said:
and Jesus wasn;t there to hold medical lectures anyway.....
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That's right. The medical knowlege was presumed in the audience. Everyone knows these conditions are irreparable.

aleshanee said:
so He simply said what He did in a way the people of the time could understand...
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No. Everything He said was according to truth. He held people accountable for their ignorance, as He did the Sadducees, or He brought them to the level they needed to be as He did His disciples. And if there was something too heavy for them, it wasn't said.

Truth, was and is, paramount.

aleshanee said:
you can;t make a point out of split hairs... and i;m not following the reasoning behind the question in the OP unless it is to question the Diety of Christ by implying Jesus might not have known the truth about the solar sytem.. and therefore might not have been God in the flesh.. ...it;s been attempted here before... on previous fffs.... even on this one if remember correctly... . it;s really nothing new.....
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Well, you did hit on the point. What is the truth about the solar system?
 
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Whether the earth spins and the sun is (relatively) fixed or the earth is fixed and the sun revolves around it is not a fact that can be determined from Jesus' statement.
 
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Whether the earth spins and the sun is (relatively) fixed or the earth is fixed and the sun revolves around it is not a fact that can be determined from Jesus' statement.
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It's not a fact that can be proven at all. Again, from the physicists I've quoted thus far:

Many attempts were made to prove that heliocentricity was true and geocentricity was false, right up until the early 1900's. All such attempts were unsuccessful.​
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Einstein's theory of general relativity adds further to the debate....According to this theory the geocentric and heliocentric viewpoints are equally valid representations of reality, and it makes no sense whatsoever scientifically to speak of one as being true and the other false.​
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Geocentricity and Creation

1. What is geocentricity? Geocentricity is a conceptual model of the form of the universe which makes three basic assertions about the nature of the earth and its relationship to the rest of the universe. These are...
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