Was gospel of Christ intended for us?

[ALAYMAN]

I do not base my belief on what I was told or what I was taught or what I want to believe.  I base my biblical belief on what the Bible says ? not on what it means.

This is the most telling statement about your belief structure that you have ever written on the FFF.

Quite right.  I edited the comment, placing the word "means" in quotes.  I so often hear you and others saying what a verse "means," as opposed to what it "says."

Why do you do that?

You do that because you have to.  God forbid that what the Bible "says" contradicts what you "believe."

Not trying to be unkind here, but that is absolute nonsense.  YOU also are giving what you think something means when you interpret ANY form of communication.  But what is most important is (or at least should be) what the author/Author intended, not what you want or wish for it to mean.

 

[Route_70]

YOU also are giving what you think something means when you interpret ANY form of communication.  But what is most important is (or at least should be) what the author/Author intended, not what you want or wish for it to mean.

All interpretaions and translations are tainted with subjectivity.  Furthermore, if an author can't or won't "mean" what he "says," then what's the point?  Why the need for an explanation of what was intended?

 

[FSSL]

Why the need for an explanation of what was intended?

Because you could not read clear English. You forced a meaning that was never explicit or implicit.

It is absurd.

 

[Hooper]

To get back to the OP...since there is only one gospel, the answer is yes. Okay now what's the next question? Oh I see one popped ups in a discussion...are there any Jews today? Again, the answer is yes. These are too easy. Next question?

Be careful, it's not that simple. What is the definition of the "gospel". It says in Matthew 11 that Christ taught people the gospel.


Matthew 11:5
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

 

[Route_70]

Your argument is both absurd and contradictory.  First, you say that I cannot "read clear English."  Then you say that I ?force a meaning.?  How can I force a meaning on something I cannot read?

SMH

Revelation 2:9 supports my position that just saying you are a Jew does not make you a Jew.

DNA research supports my position that there is no longer a group of people who can claim Abraham as their exclusive ancestor.

I have proved my position.  You have only asserted yours.  You have no proof; only ad hominems.

 

[FSSL]

saying you are a Jew does not make you a Jew

DOES NOT EQUAL

there are no Jews

 

[Route_70]

saying you are a Jew does not make you a Jew

DOES NOT EQUAL

there are no Jews

You recall the clash that took place in Charlottesville.  The media referred to the one group as ?Nazis.?

They are not Nazis.  They are misguided, miserable Nazi wannabe?s.

There are no Jews today, in the sense that they belong to the kingdom of Judah.  That should be evident without need of proof.  But there are those who call themselves ?Jews;? and they have been calling themselves Jews for a long time.

 

[FSSL]

Why are you insisting on getting rid of the existence of Jews?


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[Route_70]

Why are you insisting on getting rid of the existence of Jews?

Why do insist on misrepresenting and misconstruing what I say?

I know why:  You have no strong response to my strong arguments.  You are, in your words, "desperate."

 

[FSSL]

Even Hitler recognized the existence of the Jews.

You are a trainwreck


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[Route_70]

Even Hitler recognized the existence of the Jews.

You are a trainwreck

Oh, so Hitler is now our source of authority, is he?

 

[FSSL]

No. The point is he was smarter than you.


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[Hooper]

We see in James the words "to the twelve tribes scattered abroad".

I?ve often wondered about this.  Was James actually writing to members of all 12 tribes of Israel?  How did he expect for them all to see his epistle?  The ten tribes of the kingdom of Israel had been deported 800 years before James? time, so how could he be writing to them, and why?

the modern jew today is Khazar.  There are also so Sephardim Jews which are different genetically then the Khazars.  It's really simple.

These people here don?t realize that there are different Jewish sects, denominations ? whatever you want to call it.  The majority of Jews living in Israel today identify as either atheist or agnostic, and could care less about any ?Messiah.?  Very few are orthodox.

DNA studies on Jews show that at least 85% are more related to the Poles, Russians, and Lithuanians than they are to the other 15% of Jews, who are more closely related to the Palestinians!  Yes, that is correct!  DNA studies on the Palestinians reveal that they are more closely tied to Palestine/ Israel than 85% of the Jews!

The great commission was for the true apostles to spread the gospel message of Christ to all the world. The great commission is not to us but was fulfilled by the apostles less Saul. Modern Jews are not related to those living at the time of Christ. History shows that the Khazars were 8th century converts to Judaism. And mind you that it's not the true law they followed but the Kabbalah they followed. They revere the Talmud over the Bible.

 

[FSSL]

Ahhh... repeating the same tripe does not make your point.

Why should we believe you? You don?t even understand the simplest Hebraic issues - intentional misspelling of Yeshua and denial Jews and Judah share the same root word.


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[Route_70]

History shows that the Khazars were 8th century converts to Judaism.

This is a tenuous claim at best.  I could be wrong, but I don't think there is incontrovertible evidence for this.

 

[Hooper]

History shows that the Khazars were 8th century converts to Judaism.

This is a tenuous claim at best.  I could be wrong, but I don't think there is incontrovertible evidence for this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

 

[Route_70]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

That is not the one.  I am already familiar with the wiki article, and others.  However, except for fringe-sites, most scholarly articles or sites, portray your theory as, as I said, tenuous.  There has not been found any hard evidence to support the claim.  Even the wiki site expresses this view:

?In the late 19th century, a theory emerged that the core of today's Ashkenazi Jews descended from a hypothetical Khazarian Jewish diaspora who had migrated westward from modern Russia and Ukraine into modern France and Germany. This theory still finds occasional support, but most scholars view it with skepticism. The theory is sometimes associated with antisemitism and anti-Zionism.?

So, I would not hang my hat on the belief that most Eastern European Jews are actually Khazars.

 

[FSSL]

^ Exhibit A: this is what happens when atheism/cults get a hold of your mind


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[T-Bone]

are there any Jews today?

"I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not." ~~ Revelation 2:9

And? That passage doesn't say there are no Jews...it speaks of the false Jews. Not that hard.

 

[T-Bone]

To get back to the OP...since there is only one gospel, the answer is yes. Okay now what's the next question? Oh I see one popped ups in a discussion...are there any Jews today? Again, the answer is yes. These are too easy. Next question?

Be careful, it's not that simple. What is the definition of the "gospel". It says in Matthew 11 that Christ taught people the gospel.


Matthew 11:5
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

You're the one with the conflict not me...not the Apostle Paul.

"So, as much as is in me, I am ready to preach the gospel to you who are in Rome also.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ,[a] for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.- Romans 1:15-16.

Seems this Jewish ex Pharisee knew there was both Jew and Gentile, and that the gospel of Christ is the saving gospel...that you can't see that, nor know it, is clearly evident with each of your posts.