We need more Trump Derangement Syndrome

I don't understand the whole concept of us, as Christians, being obligated to have a personality cult over any President, or politician or public figure, especially not an openly immoral one. But even if the man or woman in question is a basically moral and good person, I cannot commit myself to total, unquestioning obedience to anyone. If this be treason, make the most of it.

Back when George W. Bush was President, I was heavily criticized within the IFB movement, for my lack of total obedience and support for Bush. I voted for him and generally supported him, but I did not support his disastrous war in Iraq, and I was harshly condemned over that issue and my lack of total obeisance to Bush. Now we are going through the same deal with Trump, with those who do not totally stand with him being called traitors.

Somebody please explain to me, what does this hero worship of Presidents have to do with Christianity, or even with basic patriotism and good citizenship. Here is what former President Theodore Roosevelt said about it in 1918:

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
 
illinoisguy said:
I don't understand the whole concept of us, as Christians, being obligated to have a personality cult over any President, or politician or public figure, especially not an openly immoral one. But even if the man or woman in question is a basically moral and good person, I cannot commit myself to total, unquestioning obedience to anyone. If this be treason, make the most of it.

Back when George W. Bush was President, I was heavily criticized within the IFB movement, for my lack of total obedience and support for Bush. I voted for him and generally supported him, but I did not support his disastrous war in Iraq, and I was harshly condemned over that issue and my lack of total obeisance to Bush. Now we are going through the same deal with Trump, with those who do not totally stand with him being called traitors.

Somebody please explain to me, what does this hero worship of Presidents have to do with Christianity, or even with basic patriotism and good citizenship. Here is what former President Theodore Roosevelt said about it in 1918:

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
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Who is the “us, as Christians?” Besides what you may have run across on social media, what church leader or pastor has demanded “unquestioning obedience to anyone?” So someone who may have had a different opinion than you concerning Bush’s foreign policy, you can “heavily criticize” them, but they can’t heavily criticize you? Please name some Christian leaders who have accused you of being a “traitor” because you have not stood with everything Trump has done? Name anyone on this forum who has done that. Anyone who has supported Trump is guilty of “hero worship?” Who has “announced that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong?” Who do you know that hasn’t said “unpleasant” things about him? Aren’t you being a little dramatic?
 
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illinoisguy said:
Back when George W. Bush was President, I was heavily criticized within the IFB movement, for my lack of total obedience and support for Bush. I voted for him and generally supported him, but I did not support his disastrous war in Iraq, and I was harshly condemned over that issue and my lack of total obeisance to Bush. Now we are going through the same deal with Trump, with those who do not totally stand with him being called traitor
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My recollection was that a good number of Bush voters turned against him as the War on Terror went on longer and longer. The Republicans lost both houses in 2006, too.

But there definitely wasn't the same cult of personality around GWB that there still is around DJT.
 
biscuit1953 said:
Who is the “us, as Christians?” Besides what you may have run across on social media, what church leader or pastor has demanded “unquestioning obedience to anyone?” So someone who may have had a different opinion than you concerning Bush’s foreign policy, you can “heavily criticize” them, but they can’t heavily criticize you? Please name some Christian leaders who have accused you of being a “traitor” because you have not stood with everything Trump has done? Name anyone on this forum who has done that. Anyone who has supported Trump is guilty of “hero worship?” Who has “announced that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong?” Who do you know that hasn’t said “unpleasant” things about him? Aren’t you being a little dramatic?
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My lack of unquestioning support of Mr. Trump has resulted in me being labeled a leftist. Right here on the good old FFF.
 
biscuit1953 said:
Who is the “us, as Christians?” Besides what you may have run across on social media, what church leader or pastor has demanded “unquestioning obedience to anyone?” So someone who may have had a different opinion than you concerning Bush’s foreign policy, you can “heavily criticize” them, but they can’t heavily criticize you? Please name some Christian leaders who have accused you of being a “traitor” because you have not stood with everything Trump has done? Name anyone on this forum who has done that. Anyone who has supported Trump is guilty of “hero worship?” Who has “announced that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong?” Who do you know that hasn’t said “unpleasant” things about him? Aren’t you being a little dramatic?
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These are fair questions, and deserve a reasonable rebuttal.
 
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