We need more Trump Derangement Syndrome

[Tarheel Baptist]

Are you saying that I haven't been labeled a leftist?

Not that I can remember. Who specifically labeled you as such?

You are a virtue ‘signaler’, a political Pearl clutcher and can come across a holier than thou in some instances but hardly a leftist.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

 

[aleshanee]

Not that I can remember. Who specifically labeled you as such?

You are a virtue ‘signaler’, a political Pearl clutcher and can come across a holier than thou in some instances but hardly a leftist.

i called him a leftist because he carries water for the left... ...no other reason.... . i don;t know how he acts out there in the real world... but on this forum he pushes the left wings anti-trump propaganda better than they do themselves on their best day...... ....

i made it clear months ago that it doesn;t matter who a person votes for... or claims to have voted for... if their negative rhetoric and constant belly aching causes undecided voters to go the other way.. ......

and i don;t buy this idea he has convinced a few of here that he is a actually a conservative... .. i think he got exactly what he wanted in this election.... ..... but we will see what he says about his new socialist islamic overlords when they have been in power for a few months....... my prediction is he won;t say a word.....

 

[Ekklesian]

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I think Erika does too.

 

[Ekklesian]

Who specifically labeled you as such?

I have.

 

[subllibrm]

Not that I can remember. Who specifically labeled you as such?

You are a virtue ‘signaler’, a political Pearl clutcher and can come across a holier than thou in some instances but hardly a leftist.

Told you!

 

[illinoisguy]

Aren’t you being a little dramatic?

These are fair questions, and deserve a reasonable rebuttal.

The close association of evangelical/fundamentalist Christianity with President George W. Bush was noted, with concern, by a lot of observers.

"It is a disgrace that so many conservative Christians are apologists for George Bush and the Republican Party. But not only are Christians who make excuses for Bush and the Republicans a disgrace, they are hypocrites as well, for they are the ones who would scream the loudest if a Democratic President and the Democratic Party did the same things that Bush and the Republicans have done." - Laurence Vance, LewRockwell.com

"The Religious Right, as it now exists, scares me. The Religious Right has obviously and patently become little more than a propaganda machine for the Republican Pary in general and for President G.W. Bush in particular. . . . The willingness of the Religious Right to give President Bush king-like subservience is easily seen in the way they demonize anyone who dares to oppose him. This is very unnerving." - Chuck Baldwin, former Moral Majority leader.

"Our hearts dropped when we heard the reference to the Koran in the President's inauguration speech. How have we gotten to the point where the President of the United States of America [George W. Bush] cites the Koran as one of the sources of truth on which America's ideal of freedom depends? . . . Perhaps we should be a little more cautious in identifying our Christianity too closely with our nation or its leaders." - Ryan George, "Living Water of Washington DC."

"Another thing about the churches I went to: They seemed to be parrots for the Republican Party. Do we have to tow [sic] the party line on every single issue? Are the Republicans that perfect? I just felt like, in order to be a part of the family, I had to think George W. Bush was Jesus. And I didn't. I didn't think that Jesus really agreed with a lot of the politics of the Republican Party or for that matter the Democratic Party. I felt like Jesus was a religious figure, not a political figure." - Donald Miller, "Blue Like Jazz," p. 131.

There are a lot of sincere Christians who are politically and theologically conservative, but who question the wisdom of associating evangelical Christianity too closely with any political figures, whether Bush, Obama, Trump or whoever. I personally knew a number of good conservative Christians who supported Bush but were offended and turned off by the heavy emphasis on allegiance to Bush in the fundamentalist churches. I guess we could call it "Bush Derangement Syndrome."

 

[ALAYMAN]

The close association of evangelical/fundamentalist Christianity with President George W. Bush was noted, with concern, by a lot of observers.

"It is a disgrace that so many conservative Christians are apologists for George Bush and the Republican Party. But not only are Christians who make excuses for Bush and the Republicans a disgrace, they are hypocrites as well, for they are the ones who would scream the loudest if a Democratic President and the Democratic Party did the same things that Bush and the Republicans have done." - Laurence Vance, LewRockwell.com

"The Religious Right, as it now exists, scares me. The Religious Right has obviously and patently become little more than a propaganda machine for the Republican Pary in general and for President G.W. Bush in particular. . . . The willingness of the Religious Right to give President Bush king-like subservience is easily seen in the way they demonize anyone who dares to oppose him. This is very unnerving." - Chuck Baldwin, former Moral Majority leader.

"Our hearts dropped when we heard the reference to the Koran in the President's inauguration speech. How have we gotten to the point where the President of the United States of America [George W. Bush] cites the Koran as one of the sources of truth on which America's ideal of freedom depends? . . . Perhaps we should be a little more cautious in identifying our Christianity too closely with our nation or its leaders." - Ryan George, "Living Water of Washington DC."

"Another thing about the churches I went to: They seemed to be parrots for the Republican Party. Do we have to tow [sic] the party line on every single issue? Are the Republicans that perfect? I just felt like, in order to be a part of the family, I had to think George W. Bush was Jesus. And I didn't. I didn't think that Jesus really agreed with a lot of the politics of the Republican Party or for that matter the Democratic Party. I felt like Jesus was a religious figure, not a political figure." - Donald Miller, "Blue Like Jazz," p. 131.

There are a lot of sincere Christians who are politically and theologically conservative, but who question the wisdom of associating evangelical Christianity too closely with any political figures, whether Bush, Obama, Trump or whoever. I personally knew a number of good conservative Christians who supported Bush but were offended and turned off by the heavy emphasis on allegiance to Bush in the fundamentalist churches. I guess we could call it "Bush Derangement Syndrome."

Thanks for explaining your perspective and offering a reasonable rebuttal. I suppose I latched onto your statement…. “I cannot commit myself to total, unquestioning obedience to anyone. If this be treason, make the most of it.” I agree with this completely, but I don’t see this happening in the circles that I run.

As a matter of fact, the folks who are reasonably informed and intelligent (not the mindless drones that would vote straight ticket based upon what they’re told to think, whether blue or red) that I talk to in my Church circles, understand that we don’t agree with every single thing in Trump‘s agenda or his behavior and distasteful or even sinful conduct.

I will get one personal example. When this image came out…


I told all of my Christian friends that such an image bordered on blasphemy. It’s not the first time Trump has done such religious act for political staging, like when he held the Bible up in the middle of the street.

Politicians have used religion to court voters for a long time, and if people aren’t savvy enough to understand the motivation of those who try to woo conservatives by such shallow methods then they need educated, and I have no problem with pushing back on such malarkey.