What if our elites are really just stupid?

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“Still, these events have left me with the impression that many of the smooth talkers and writers who speak so confidently about matters of public concern, and with such panache, are actually just idiots. Or, at least, their peculiar Trumpian obsessions have made them so.

And that’s a shame. Because what we don’t need right now is an increase in the sum total of stupidity in the world. We really don’t. But that seems to be what we’re getting.”

 
“Still, these events have left me with the impression that many of the smooth talkers and writers who speak so confidently about matters of public concern, and with such panache, are actually just idiots. Or, at least, their peculiar Trumpian obsessions have made them so.

And that’s a shame. Because what we don’t need right now is an increase in the sum total of stupidity in the world. We really don’t. But that seems to be what we’re getting.”

There has never been a clearer demarcation on the issues of who to vote for in a presidential election than right now. The Democratic Party is literally no different than the Communist Party as far as platform. They are opposed to anything that has to do with God, moral standards, or anything that has traditionally defined America. They promote every vile talking point when it comes to mutilation of children, killing healthy babies up to the point of coming out of the womb, trying to overthrow the God-given order of nature when it come to who a man and a woman is, promoting pornography in libraries for access to kindergarten children all the way through high school, and a list that would take up too much time to type.

I might add that it isn't just depraved party operatives. Many who call themselves Christians refuse to speak out on moral issues with the excuse that "politics" is poison to the gospel. I know because my own pastor has stated from the pulpit numerous times that no church should be known for opposing abortion, homosexuality or any other "political" issue. Churches should only talk about Jesus and never mention "morality." Why? Because that is defiling the gospel and making people believe they must be moral to be right with God. These same Christian leaders make fun of the Ten Commandments and pervert the scriptures saying that using God's Moral Law to bring sinners to repentance and faith is contrary to the gospel. No one in my church is even allowed to discuss who the next president should be beause that is "defiling the sanctuary," even though every Sunday people talk about football, weather, grandchildren, and every other "non-political" subject under God's heaven.

You can walk across our southern border into a third world country. It doesn't stop at Mexico but on through South America. Why is that? It isn't because of race but has to do with history. The conquistadors went to South America seeking "gold." Our forefathers came to America seeking "God." All one has to do is read what the leaders of the thirteen original colonies believed about God and the basis on which the United States was founded and realize why God chose to bless America the way he did. At the Supreme Court, the Ten Commandments can be found carved in the oak courtroom doors, on the support frame of the courtroom’s bronze gates and in the library woodwork.

We are now facing the judgment of God on our nation and while it is true no politician can save America, I believe we can no longer expect God to bless a nation that has kicked him out of our schools, and public institutions. It isn't difficult to look at prophecies concerning the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and the things concerning the Jews in the last days and realize that God is in control of world events. My hope isn't in politics but the coming King to set up a Millennial Kingdom where righteousness will reign for a thousand years. Amen!
 
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<swmip> I know because my own pastor has stated from the pulpit numerous times that no church should be known for opposing abortion, homosexuality or any other "political" issue. Churches should only talk about Jesus and never mention "morality." Why? Because that is defiling the gospel and making people believe they must be moral to be right with God. These same Christian leaders make fun of the Ten Commandments and pervert the scriptures saying that using God's Moral Law to bring sinners to repentance and faith is contrary to the gospel. No one in my church is even allowed to discuss who the next president should be because that is "defiling the sanctuary," even though every Sunday people talk about football, weather, grandchildren, and every other "non-political" subject under God's heaven. <snip>

Why do you stay? Without the clarity of morality there is no point to the gospel.
 
“Still, these events have left me with the impression that many of the smooth talkers and writers who speak so confidently about matters of public concern, and with such panache, are actually just idiots. Or, at least, their peculiar Trumpian obsessions have made them so.

And that’s a shame. Because what we don’t need right now is an increase in the sum total of stupidity in the world. We really don’t. But that seems to be what we’re getting.”

No kidding. il_fullxfull.4492856617_mvyn.jpg
 
Why do you stay? Without the clarity of morality there is no point to the gospel.
I am no different than others on this forum who have struggled with doctrines as a young Christian. Growing up Southern Baptist, getting saved not long before I entered the military, getting involved with Independent Baptist Fundamentalism, Ruckmanism, trying to understand Calvinism, the Charismatic movement. I went from one church to another and finally decided there were no perfect churches. I left the Independent Fundamental Baptists and went back to a Southern Baptist church and have just about given up. My wife is very active in the children's ministry and I don't want to continue jumping from church to church. I have decided to pray more earnestly for my pastor and have written him a private letter in which he seemed to understand some of my concerns and wants to have a private meeting with me. I may very well leave eventually after having some personal meetings with him. Even though he has an aversion to "mixing politics with religion" he also makes it very clear that he does not condone homosexuality and other moral issues and preaches salvation through faith. If and when I leave it will be my decision. None of us are immune to the things that are dividing Christians in America today. The idea that speaking out on moral issues is the equivalence of getting involved in politics and compromising the gospel I believe is a false narrative. I don't know what else to say.
 
The idea that speaking out on moral issues is the equivalence of getting involved in politics and compromising the gospel I believe is a false narrative. I don't know what else to say.
Thank you for your response. I am one of the few who has not experienced what you describe about your church journey. Hopefully you will find the Lord using you where you are.

Also I agree with you regarding the portion that I quoted. It actually hints at what I have been saying here recently. We should be very clear and firm about the moral hazards we are facing as a nation.
 
I am no different than others on this forum who have struggled with doctrines as a young Christian. Growing up Southern Baptist, getting saved not long before I entered the military, getting involved with Independent Baptist Fundamentalism, Ruckmanism, trying to understand Calvinism, the Charismatic movement. I went from one church to another and finally decided there were no perfect churches. I left the Independent Fundamental Baptists and went back to a Southern Baptist church and have just about given up. My wife is very active in the children's ministry and I don't want to continue jumping from church to church. I have decided to pray more earnestly for my pastor and have written him a private letter in which he seemed to understand some of my concerns and wants to have a private meeting with me. I may very well leave eventually after having some personal meetings with him. Even though he has an aversion to "mixing politics with religion" he also makes it very clear that he does not condone homosexuality and other moral issues and preaches salvation through faith. If and when I leave it will be my decision. None of us are immune to the things that are dividing Christians in America today. The idea that speaking out on moral issues is the equivalence of getting involved in politics and compromising the gospel I believe is a false narrative. I don't know what else to say.

My mother is (well, was, she no longer votes due to dementia) a straight-ticket old-fashioned democrat. The party has left her, but she doesn't have the faculties to even realize it. She stands against everything you and I would stand against which is written into the Democratic party platform these days, but she still identifies as a Democrat (living in the past). Having said that, I have seen generally good people in my church be offensive in the company of others (like my mom) with regards to politics, to the extent that they put a stumbling block before them and their consciences. It's not worth that kind of damage to maintain the conservative political banner. And having said that, I do sympathize with the situation you describe, where your pastor seems to ran off the road on the other side of the ditch in trying to avoid the messiness of "mixing politics and religion". As you point out, politics affects us in a moral way, it's unavoidable. But, trying to avoid preaching on political issues (abortion, LGBTQ, drugs, etc) completely so he can avoid appearing to be too political is foolish. Hopefully your conversations with him can get him to see that if he simply preaches expositionally through the word, without a biased agenda to preach cotton-candy sermons or hobby-horses, that stuff will take care of itself in a balanced way.
 
<snip> I have seen generally good people in my church be offensive in the company of others (like my mom) with regards to politics, to the extent that they put a stumbling block before them and their consciences. It's not worth that kind of damage to maintain the conservative political banner. <snip>
So we do agree! ;)
 
finally decided there were no perfect churches.

Right you are. And right @ALAYMAN is about finding a church where the Word is taught in an expository manner.

I pray that you and your pastor can in love and with sound minds discuss all that is on your heart Ultimately, however, your pastor is accountable to God for how he leads. You are accountable to God for how you lead your family. Please (and I think you know this) don't do anything without prayer.

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There has never been a clearer demarcation on the issues of who to vote for in a presidential election than right now. The Democratic Party is literally no different than the Communist Party as far as platform. They are opposed to anything that has to do with God, moral standards, or anything that has traditionally defined America. They promote every vile talking point when it comes to mutilation of children, killing healthy babies up to the point of coming out of the womb, trying to overthrow the God-given order of nature when it come to who a man and a woman is, promoting pornography in libraries for access to kindergarten children all the way through high school, and a list that would take up too much time to type.

I might add that it isn't just depraved party operatives. Many who call themselves Christians refuse to speak out on moral issues with the excuse that "politics" is poison to the gospel. I know because my own pastor has stated from the pulpit numerous times that no church should be known for opposing abortion, homosexuality or any other "political" issue. Churches should only talk about Jesus and never mention "morality." Why? Because that is defiling the gospel and making people believe they must be moral to be right with God. These same Christian leaders make fun of the Ten Commandments and pervert the scriptures saying that using God's Moral Law to bring sinners to repentance and faith is contrary to the gospel. No one in my church is even allowed to discuss who the next president should be beause that is "defiling the sanctuary," even though every Sunday people talk about football, weather, grandchildren, and every other "non-political" subject under God's heaven.

You can walk across our southern border into a third world country. It doesn't stop at Mexico but on through South America. Why is that? It isn't because of race but has to do with history. The conquistadors went to South America seeking "gold." Our forefathers came to America seeking "God." All one has to do is read what the leaders of the thirteen original colonies believed about God and the basis on which the United States was founded and realize why God chose to bless America the way he did. At the Supreme Court, the Ten Commandments can be found carved in the oak courtroom doors, on the support frame of the courtroom’s bronze gates and in the library woodwork.

We are now facing the judgment of God on our nation and while it is true no politician can save America, I believe we can no longer expect God to bless a nation that has kicked him out of our schools, and public institutions. It isn't difficult to look at prophecies concerning the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and the things concerning the Jews in the last days and realize that God is in control of world events. My hope isn't in politics but the coming King to set up a Millennial Kingdom where righteousness will reign for a thousand years. Amen!
I assume that your church is doctrinally sound.
But if that doctrine cannot be applied to current moral issues, it becomes practically moot.
Without knowing the context of why you’re there my perspective is limited…but from that perspective I’d find another church.
 
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