While singing a special in church.......

[Bruh]

My favorite story happened at a revival meeting.  Tony Hudson was the final preacher.  Steve Curington from Reformers Unanimous was there with a ladies' singing group from the ladies home.  The ladies were singing and doing a great job.  There were "Amens" ringing throughout the building.  A couple of them started to slightly sway as they sang.  Curington yelled out, "Stop swaying".  The ladies finished singing and Curington told the crowd that most of these ladies came from a rough background, and they were working with them on being proper.

Well, you probably know Tony Hudson.  When he got up to preach he had the ladies group stand.  He told them how much of a blessing they had been and then ended it by saying, "Ladies, don't lose your swagger!".  Curington just shook his head with a smile on his face.

Tony Hutson sang George Jones's "He Stopped Loving Her Today" when I heard him preach.

Two weeks ago I was watching and listening to him preach at the Pastor's Conference in California.  He said that Sweet Home Alabama should be in the hymn book.  The place lost it. 

I don't understand why he has the reputation that he does...

They'll never admit it, but worldly is relative in some IFB camps. 

 

[Bruh]

My favorite story happened at a revival meeting.  Tony Hudson was the final preacher.  Steve Curington from Reformers Unanimous was there with a ladies' singing group from the ladies home.  The ladies were singing and doing a great job.  There were "Amens" ringing throughout the building.  A couple of them started to slightly sway as they sang.  Curington yelled out, "Stop swaying".  The ladies finished singing and Curington told the crowd that most of these ladies came from a rough background, and they were working with them on being proper.

Well, you probably know Tony Hudson.  When he got up to preach he had the ladies group stand.  He told them how much of a blessing they had been and then ended it by saying, "Ladies, don't lose your swagger!".  Curington just shook his head with a smile on his face.

Tony Hutson sang George Jones's "He Stopped Loving Her Today" when I heard him preach.

Two weeks ago I was watching and listening to him preach at the Pastor's Conference in California.  He said that Sweet Home Alabama should be in the hymn book.  The place lost it. 

I don't understand why he has the reputation that he does...

IFBX'ers have to have a wild man...........kinda like pro-wrestlers have their big-mouth, show-off, crude-talking, animated, attack-those-who-may-go-liberal-&-think-for-themselves, comedy-clown.

Others would label me as IFBx, and I'm fine with that, but his reputation with me is not favorable.  I'very heard him <handful of times. Once was enough,  but I gave him a second and maybe a third chance. That was more than 10 years ago.

I know good men, that would've sat him down for singing those songs behind their pulpits. 

 

[Walt]

And why is it that the preachers with the most outrageous antics, arms flailing, pacing the platform, slamming the pulpit, running down the aisle, are totally NOT distracting?

Don't really care for preacher antics such as you describe, either.  Walking around is fine... but jumping up on pews, tearing hymnals, kicking microphone stands - not ok.

Personally, I find it off-putting when the preacher leaves the platform, and walks out among the pews during his preaching.

 

[Walt]

If you find movement distracting, the raising of the hand distracting, emotions off-putting, the holding of the microphone at the exact angle to be paramount, yet you do not want "wax dummies" -- how on earth can a singer pull things off to your standards?

Not quite a fair response; you are taking my quotes further than I intended.

I'm not against ALL movement; it's OK to breathe, for example.  

I don't like the charismatic raising hand.  It distracts  from the song, in my opinion and pulls attention to the singer.

I don't particularly notice or care about how the  microphone is held; I was answering RAIDER's question about "Is there a correct way to hold the microphone?" -- I'm sure that the answer is "yes", but I would leave that to sound experts.

I guess I'm talking about facial expressions -- when people are singing about the joy of the Lord or how good God has been or exalting Him for what He's done, a joyous expression is an added blessing.  I've seen people sing about the greatness of God, but they have no expression at all, or else they look like their best friend has died.

 

[patriotic]

My favorite story happened at a revival meeting.  Tony Hudson was the final preacher.  Steve Curington from Reformers Unanimous was there with a ladies' singing group from the ladies home.  The ladies were singing and doing a great job.  There were "Amens" ringing throughout the building.  A couple of them started to slightly sway as they sang.  Curington yelled out, "Stop swaying".  The ladies finished singing and Curington told the crowd that most of these ladies came from a rough background, and they were working with them on being proper.

Well, you probably know Tony Hudson.  When he got up to preach he had the ladies group stand.  He told them how much of a blessing they had been and then ended it by saying, "Ladies, don't lose your swagger!".  Curington just shook his head with a smile on his face.

Tony Hutson sang George Jones's "He Stopped Loving Her Today" when I heard him preach.

Two weeks ago I was watching and listening to him preach at the Pastor's Conference in California.  He said that Sweet Home Alabama should be in the hymn book.  The place lost it. 

I don't understand why he has the reputation that he does...

IFBX'ers have to have a wild man...........kinda like pro-wrestlers have their big-mouth, show-off, crude-talking, animated, attack-those-who-may-go-liberal-&-think-for-themselves, comedy-clown.

Others would label me as IFBx, and I'm fine with that, but his reputation with me is not favorable.  I'very heard him <handful of times. Once was enough,  but I gave him a second and maybe a third chance. That was more than 10 years ago.

I know good men, that would've sat him down for singing those songs behind their pulpits.

I heard him at other churches than my own.

 

[bgwilkinson]

If you find movement distracting, the raising of the hand distracting, emotions off-putting, the holding of the microphone at the exact angle to be paramount, yet you do not want "wax dummies" -- how on earth can a singer pull things off to your standards?

Not quite a fair response; you are taking my quotes further than I intended.

I'm not against ALL movement; it's OK to breathe, for example.  

I don't like the charismatic raising hand.  It distracts  from the song, in my opinion and pulls attention to the singer.

I don't particularly notice or care about how the  microphone is held; I was answering RAIDER's question about "Is there a correct way to hold the microphone?" -- I'm sure that the answer is "yes", but I would leave that to sound experts.

I guess I'm talking about facial expressions -- when people are singing about the joy of the Lord or how good God has been or exalting Him for what He's done, a joyous expression is an added blessing.  I've seen people sing about the greatness of God, but they have no expression at all, or else they look like their best friend has died.

Why are the standards for singers not applied equally to presenters  (preechers)?

Are some more equal than others?

 

[Walt]

If you find movement distracting, the raising of the hand distracting, emotions off-putting, the holding of the microphone at the exact angle to be paramount, yet you do not want "wax dummies" -- how on earth can a singer pull things off to your standards?

Not quite a fair response; you are taking my quotes further than I intended.

I'm not against ALL movement; it's OK to breathe, for example.  

I don't like the charismatic raising hand.  It distracts  from the song, in my opinion and pulls attention to the singer.

I don't particularly notice or care about how the  microphone is held; I was answering RAIDER's question about "Is there a correct way to hold the microphone?" -- I'm sure that the answer is "yes", but I would leave that to sound experts.

I guess I'm talking about facial expressions -- when people are singing about the joy of the Lord or how good God has been or exalting Him for what He's done, a joyous expression is an added blessing.  I've seen people sing about the greatness of God, but they have no expression at all, or else they look like their best friend has died.

Why are the standards for singers not applied equally to presenters  (preechers)?

Are some more equal than others?

Well, that's a fair question... not sure.... tradition, I guess. I'm used to singers (such as choirs) standing in one place and not wandering around.  But I've seen preachers move around and not stay behind the pulpit.

When we're talking about things that put us off, it's rather personal to everyone.  I was not implying that what puts me off is wrong, and everyone must do it my way -- just answering honestly about what I  do and don't like in singers.

Perhaps it's because a song lasts 2-4 min, and a sermon lasts 20-40 min...

 

[bgwilkinson]

If you find movement distracting, the raising of the hand distracting, emotions off-putting, the holding of the microphone at the exact angle to be paramount, yet you do not want "wax dummies" -- how on earth can a singer pull things off to your standards?

Not quite a fair response; you are taking my quotes further than I intended.

I'm not against ALL movement; it's OK to breathe, for example.  

I don't like the charismatic raising hand.  It distracts  from the song, in my opinion and pulls attention to the singer.

I don't particularly notice or care about how the  microphone is held; I was answering RAIDER's question about "Is there a correct way to hold the microphone?" -- I'm sure that the answer is "yes", but I would leave that to sound experts.

I guess I'm talking about facial expressions -- when people are singing about the joy of the Lord or how good God has been or exalting Him for what He's done, a joyous expression is an added blessing.  I've seen people sing about the greatness of God, but they have no expression at all, or else they look like their best friend has died.

Why are the standards for singers not applied equally to presenters  (preechers)?

Are some more equal than others?

Well, that's a fair question... not sure.... tradition, I guess. I'm used to singers (such as choirs) standing in one place and not wandering around.  But I've seen preachers move around and not stay behind the pulpit.

When we're talking about things that put us off, it's rather personal to everyone.  I was not implying that what puts me off is wrong, and everyone must do it my way -- just answering honestly about what I  do and don't like in singers.

Perhaps it's because a song lasts 2-4 min, and a sermon lasts 20-40 min...

I've heard many preachers speak against singers, Southern Gospel ones in particular, while at the same time gesticulating like a wild man. It just strikes  me as hypocritical on their part.

These same preachers will criticize singers who will expect to be paid for their work, then at the same time they pull down a full time salary as a full time employee of their church corporation while moonlighting at another church for multi thousand dollar honorariums.

Just disgusting. My two former pastors are the ones I have in mind.

 

[fishinnut]

Some of y'all have a great need of getting out-of-the-box.

And I would also suggest allowing your singers to sing instead of the MOG controlling everthing around. Think withe me now......that's how JS operated everything at FBCH.

 

[RAIDER]

My daughter has a good singing voice, and I love to hear her sing.  At home, sometimes, a song well "get" to her emotionally and she chokes up and cannot continue.  I don't think that is appropriate for a church special.

I've seen people break down during songs; and I don't find it a blessing.

Just how I feel about this issue.

Why in the world would it bother you if your daughter has a tender heart and it brings tears during a song?  You say, "I prefer that she not sing a song if she cannot get through it properly".  Who defines "properly"?  We need to get away from being some kind of perfect robots when we sing and allow the Holy Spirit to work in us and through us.

 

[RAIDER]

If you find movement distracting, the raising of the hand distracting, emotions off-putting, the holding of the microphone at the exact angle to be paramount, yet you do not want "wax dummies" -- how on earth can a singer pull things off to your standards?

I second the motion!

 

[RAIDER]

And why is it that the preachers with the most outrageous antics, arms flailing, pacing the platform, slamming the pulpit, running down the aisle, are totally NOT distracting?

This is the best post on this thread.  I don't have a problem with preachers doing that which you posted.  It doesn't distract me a bit.  But let me ask, where in the Bible is a preacher admonished to do those things?  On the other hand, if a singer doesn't stand like a mannequin they are criticized.  Where in the Bible are they commanded to  be this way.  Interesting thought!

 

[patriotic]

My daughter has a good singing voice, and I love to hear her sing.  At home, sometimes, a song well "get" to her emotionally and she chokes up and cannot continue.  I don't think that is appropriate for a church special.

I've seen people break down during songs; and I don't find it a blessing.

Just how I feel about this issue.

Why in the world would it bother you if your daughter has a tender heart and it brings tears during a song?  You say, "I prefer that she not sing a song if she cannot get through it properly".  Who defines "properly"?  We need to get away from being some kind of perfect robots when we sing and allow the Holy Spirit to work in us and through us.

Psssst.
Walt is a secret HACker.

 

[Walt]

My daughter has a good singing voice, and I love to hear her sing.  At home, sometimes, a song well "get" to her emotionally and she chokes up and cannot continue.  I don't think that is appropriate for a church special.

I've seen people break down during songs; and I don't find it a blessing.

Just how I feel about this issue.

Why in the world would it bother you if your daughter has a tender heart and it brings tears during a song?  You say, "I prefer that she not sing a song if she cannot get through it properly".  Who defines "properly"?  We need to get away from being some kind of perfect robots when we sing and allow the Holy Spirit to work in us and through us.

Properly is hitting the notes as they are written and pronouncing the words to the song so that they can be understood.

When a song "gets" her, she gets chocked up and cannot sing.

As a listener, I have been moved by a song to tears; especially songs that remind me of departed friends.  But I don't think that it has a place in the singing of a song.

I'm not talking about robots, but rather, if one is going to do something for the Lord, it should be done correctly as one can.

I don't find an off-key singer to be a blessing; he may be doing his best, but he should be (gently) discouraged from singing specials.

 

[patriotic]

My daughter has a good singing voice, and I love to hear her sing.  At home, sometimes, a song well "get" to her emotionally and she chokes up and cannot continue.  I don't think that is appropriate for a church special.

I've seen people break down during songs; and I don't find it a blessing.

Just how I feel about this issue.

Why in the world would it bother you if your daughter has a tender heart and it brings tears during a song?  You say, "I prefer that she not sing a song if she cannot get through it properly".  Who defines "properly"?  We need to get away from being some kind of perfect robots when we sing and allow the Holy Spirit to work in us and through us.

Properly is hitting the notes as they are written and pronouncing the words to the song so that they can be understood.

When a song "gets" her, she gets chocked up and cannot sing.

As a listener, I have been moved by a song to tears; especially songs that remind me of departed friends.  But I don't think that it has a place in the singing of a song.

I'm not talking about robots, but rather, if one is going to do something for the Lord, it should be done correctly as one can.

I don't find an off-key singer to be a blessing; he may be doing his best, but he should be (gently) discouraged from singing specials.

One of the best soloists and well-trained vocalists I have been privileged to hear recently told a group of young people who were practicing  that he didn't mind  how people sounded as much if they looked like they were enjoying serving God.

I wonder how many blessings have been missed in churches because some people are "Wednesday" specials. (Most churches have no special music on Wednesdays.)

 

[Smellin Coffee]