whoever spares the rod LOVES their children

[SaviorSelf]

Hitting kids leads to highly inhibited behavior and crippling anxiety along with a host of other mental disorders. Kids don't know the difference between getting hit for acting out/sinning and getting hit for being themselves. I can confirm, I've lived with "dog scared of getting beat" syndrome for years. I also have no connection with my dad at all. Haven't had a conversation with him in months even though we live in the same house and he hasn't touched me since I was a kid. The only thing going through my subconscious when he's around is "say/do the wrong thing around him and you'll regret it"

final analysis: proverbs 13:24 NOT from God.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

Hitting kids leads to highly inhibited behavior and crippling anxiety. Kids don't know the difference between getting hit for sinning and getting hit for being themselves. I've lived with "dog scared of getting beat" syndrome for years, I can confirm. I also have no connection with my dad at all. Haven't had a conversation with him in months even though we live in the same house and he hasn't touched me since I was a kid. The only thing going through my subconscious when he's around is "say/do the wrong thing around him and you'll regret it"

final analysis: proverbs 13:24 NOT from God.

What would you quote as evidence or proof beyond your own personal experience?

 

[SaviorSelf]

Hitting kids leads to highly inhibited behavior and crippling anxiety. Kids don't know the difference between getting hit for sinning and getting hit for being themselves. I've lived with "dog scared of getting beat" syndrome for years, I can confirm. I also have no connection with my dad at all. Haven't had a conversation with him in months even though we live in the same house and he hasn't touched me since I was a kid. The only thing going through my subconscious when he's around is "say/do the wrong thing around him and you'll regret it"

final analysis: proverbs 13:24 NOT from God.

What would you quote as evidence or proof beyond your own personal experience?

Pretty sure every research that's been done on the subject has come to the same conclusion.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-me-in-we/201202/how-spanking-harms-the-brain
https://www.ahchealthenews.com/2013/10/24/the-long-term-effects-of-spanking-a-child/
http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking.aspx

ands that's just spanking. belts and rods are a whole nother ball game.

 

[Ransom]

Kids don't know the difference between getting hit for acting out/sinning and getting hit for being themselves.

That's because bad parents are producing stupid kids.

I knew what I was being hit for.

final analysis: proverbs 13:24 NOT from God.

Final final analysis: SaviorSelf rampant unbeliever. Opinions on Bible worthless.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

Hitting kids leads to highly inhibited behavior and crippling anxiety. Kids don't know the difference between getting hit for sinning and getting hit for being themselves. I've lived with "dog scared of getting beat" syndrome for years, I can confirm. I also have no connection with my dad at all. Haven't had a conversation with him in months even though we live in the same house and he hasn't touched me since I was a kid. The only thing going through my subconscious when he's around is "say/do the wrong thing around him and you'll regret it"

final analysis: proverbs 13:24 NOT from God.

What would you quote as evidence or proof beyond your own personal experience?

Pretty sure every research that's been done on the subject has come to the same conclusion.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-me-in-we/201202/how-spanking-harms-the-brain
https://www.ahchealthenews.com/2013/10/24/the-long-term-effects-of-spanking-a-child/
http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking.aspx

ands that's just spanking. belts and rods are a whole nother ball game.

No, not all

http://www.newsmax.com/US/spanking-studies-children-spock/2010/01/07/id/345669
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/26/health/la-he-spanking-pro-con-20111226
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/25/us/findings-give-some-support-to-advocates-of-spanking.html
This is a long but good read
http://nospank.net/johnson2.htm
Threw this in because of his public persona
http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/256

The opinion I have is anything not done generally using all Bible principles is generally not going to work, and could result in  very bad results.

Children need a balance of love and correction. All love, no correction tends to result in disrespectful and inappropriate behaviour that follows to adulthood.

Conversely, all correction, no love tends to lead to a lack of self worth, and anti-social behaviour, easily carried to adulthood.

My response was very simple, and general, and meant to be. Hard to comment deeper without way more info. Not asking, just clarifying the very generic nature of my response.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

final analysis: proverbs 13:24 NOT from God.

Final final analysis: SaviorSelf rampant unbeliever. Opinions on Bible worthless.

Or a very bitter soul at his father

 

[SaviorSelf]

Kids don't know the difference between getting hit for acting out/sinning and getting hit for being themselves.

That's because bad parents are producing stupid kids.

I knew what I was being hit for.

final analysis: proverbs 13:24 NOT from God.

Final final analysis: SaviorSelf rampant unbeliever. Opinions on Bible worthless.

My parents are both Christians and my dad is very conservative. They are Sunday school teachers and my dad doesn't go a day without reading the bible. Very engaged in evangelism also.

As for me, I'm a hugely extroverted person at heart and acted out a lot as a kid. Being hit with a belt for it time and time again lead to irrational fears of acting normally as an adult.

Final analysis on Ransom:

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Depends on how the word "rod" is viewed. If it is a symbol of hitting a child as punishment, sure it is wrong. If it is a symbol of correction and discipline, then I have no problems with "rod" meaning discipline.

A rod was used by a shepherd not to inflict pain upon the sheep, but rather as either a tapping device to guide the right way or as an obstacle in front of the sheep when he would begin to stray so as to block the path of the wayward sheep. I think there are very RARE occasions when it is necessary to spank a child but again, I believe it RARELY should it be done. I more or less believe in and use "Reality Discipline" which is just as much a bible principle. The idea is that when bad decisions are made, results related to those bad decisions as well as corrective action is imparted to the child. IOW, the reaping is in direct proportion to the sowing.

I'm definitely no expert on the matter but that is how I interpret the idea of "the rod"; a means of correction and not particularly a device to strike a child.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

Kids don't know the difference between getting hit for acting out/sinning and getting hit for being themselves.

That's because bad parents are producing stupid kids.

I knew what I was being hit for.

final analysis: proverbs 13:24 NOT from God.

Final final analysis: SaviorSelf rampant unbeliever. Opinions on Bible worthless.

My parents are both Christians and my dad is very conservative. They are Sunday school teachers and my dad doesn't go a day without reading the bible. Very engaged in evangelism also.

As for me, I'm a hugely extroverted person at heart and acted out a lot as a kid. Being hit with a belt for it time and time again lead to irrational fears of acting normally as an adult.

Final analysis on Ransom:

Just an observation. You identify your parents as Christian, but you do not identify yourself as a Christian.

It begs the question now, are you a Christian? You probably know the question "If you died today, are you 100% sure you would go to heaven based upon the Bible?"

Respectfully, what is your answer?

 

[Ransom]

My parents are both Christians and my dad is very conservative. They are Sunday school teachers and my dad doesn't go a day without reading the bible. Very engaged in evangelism also.

None of which contradicts what I said earlier.

As for me, I'm a hugely extroverted person at heart and acted out a lot as a kid. Being hit with a belt for it time and time again lead to irrational fears of acting normally as an adult.

Mmm-hmm.

 

[SaviorSelf]

Kids don't know the difference between getting hit for acting out/sinning and getting hit for being themselves.

That's because bad parents are producing stupid kids.

I knew what I was being hit for.

final analysis: proverbs 13:24 NOT from God.

Final final analysis: SaviorSelf rampant unbeliever. Opinions on Bible worthless.

My parents are both Christians and my dad is very conservative. They are Sunday school teachers and my dad doesn't go a day without reading the bible. Very engaged in evangelism also.

As for me, I'm a hugely extroverted person at heart and acted out a lot as a kid. Being hit with a belt for it time and time again lead to irrational fears of acting normally as an adult.

Final analysis on Ransom:

Just an observation. You identify your parents as Christian, but you do not identify yourself as a Christian.

It begs the question now, are you a Christian? You probably know the question "If you died today, are you 100% sure you would go to heaven based upon the Bible?"

Respectfully, what is your answer?

I'm not, I left Christianity when I was 17 (now 21.) Based on the terms of the Bible I would not being going to heaven. I don't however harbor any angry/resentment towards Christianity or my parents.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

I'm not, I left Christianity when I was 17 (now 21.) Based on the terms of the Bible I would not being going to heaven. I don't however harbor any angry/resentment towards Christianity or my parents.

Thank you for your honesty. I would urge you to reconsider. I don't know you, or what caused you to make a choice to reject what your parents profess to believe, but I do believe the Bible has the answers to mankinds problems, specifically the answer to obtaining peace with God.

The hindrance to many people is hypocritical Christianity. If this is the case in your life, look beyond the hypocrisy to a search by yourself for yourself.

 

[SaviorSelf]

My parents are both Christians and my dad is very conservative. They are Sunday school teachers and my dad doesn't go a day without reading the bible. Very engaged in evangelism also.

None of which contradicts what I said earlier.

As for me, I'm a hugely extroverted person at heart and acted out a lot as a kid. Being hit with a belt for it time and time again lead to irrational fears of acting normally as an adult.

Mmm-hmm.

 

[Ransom]

"In this moment, I have severe daddy issues." - SaviorSelf

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

"In this moment, I have severe daddy issues." - SaviorSelf

Well done Ransom.

Ransom, do you call yourself a Christian?

If so, you might consider acting like one.

 

[HeDied4U]

Kids don't know the difference between getting hit for acting out/sinning and getting hit for being themselves.

That's because bad parents are producing stupid kids.

I knew what I was being hit for.

final analysis: proverbs 13:24 NOT from God.

Final final analysis: SaviorSelf rampant unbeliever. Opinions on Bible worthless.

Same here. My dad (or my mom on the rare occasion when she spanked me) made sure I understood the reason for the spanking I was about to receive. And as I heard in a Mark Lowry tape years ago, if I got a spanking at school (back when teachers could still do that) it was pretty much a guarantee I was gonna get one at home as well.

As for "highly inhibited behavior and crippling anxiety along with a host of other mental disorders," I guess I was one of the "lucky" ones then. I developed respect for my parents, those older than me, respect for other people's property, and a host of other "common courtesies" that are not so common anymore.

Just my $.02. As always, YMMV.

 

[16KJV11]

Kids don't know the difference between getting hit for acting out/sinning and getting hit for being themselves.

That's because bad parents are producing stupid kids.

I knew what I was being hit for.

final analysis: proverbs 13:24 NOT from God.

Final final analysis: SaviorSelf rampant unbeliever. Opinions on Bible worthless.

Same here. My dad (or my mom on the rare occasion when she spanked me) made sure I understood the reason for the spanking I was about to receive. And as I heard in a Mark Lowry tape years ago, if I got a spanking at school (back when teachers could still do that) it was pretty much a guarantee I was gonna get one at home as well.

As for "highly inhibited behavior and crippling anxiety along with a host of other mental disorders," I guess I was one of the "lucky" ones then. I developed respect for my parents, those older than me, respect for other people's property, and a host of other "common courtesies" that are not so common anymore.

Just my $.02. As always, YMMV.

Ditto my experience.
Was spanked in public school back in 1978/79. 
Mom was Sicilian, nuff said.
But I'll never regret my parents/grandparents/school officials taking care of bidnah when it had to be done.

 

[SaviorSelf]

"In this moment, I have severe daddy issues." - SaviorSelf

genuinely lol'd 

I'm not, I left Christianity when I was 17 (now 21.) Based on the terms of the Bible I would not being going to heaven. I don't however harbor any angry/resentment towards Christianity or my parents.

Thank you for your honesty. I would urge you to reconsider. I don't know you, or what caused you to make a choice to reject what your parents profess to believe, but I do believe the Bible has the answers to mankinds problems, specifically the answer to obtaining peace with God.

The hindrance to many people is hypocritical Christianity. If this is the case in your life, look beyond the hypocrisy to a search by yourself for yourself.

I appreciate your concern man, honestly. My disbelief doesn't really stem from issues with the church or anything else like that. My disbelief is just that, disbelief. I do continue to seek out truth though and I don't consider my stance to be a closed case at all.

 

[Tim]

Kids don't know the difference between getting hit for acting out/sinning and getting hit for being themselves.

That's because bad parents are producing stupid kids.

I knew what I was being hit for.

final analysis: proverbs 13:24 NOT from God.

Final final analysis: SaviorSelf rampant unbeliever. Opinions on Bible worthless.

My parents are both Christians and my dad is very conservative. They are Sunday school teachers and my dad doesn't go a day without reading the bible. Very engaged in evangelism also.

As for me, I'm a hugely extroverted person at heart and acted out a lot as a kid. Being hit with a belt for it time and time again lead to irrational fears of acting normally as an adult.

Final analysis on Ransom:

Just an observation. You identify your parents as Christian, but you do not identify yourself as a Christian.

It begs the question now, are you a Christian? You probably know the question "If you died today, are you 100% sure you would go to heaven based upon the Bible?"

Respectfully, what is your answer?

I'm not, I left Christianity when I was 17 (now 21.) Based on the terms of the Bible I would not being going to heaven. I don't however harbor any angry/resentment towards Christianity or my parents.

A child who leaves Christianity is a huge heartbreak for a parent who truly loves the Lord. I am so sad they never gave you a reason to fear God and develop a true love for Jesus. I am sad you believe you can just walk away. If you were ever genuine in your faith I know prodigals return, and I pray you do one day.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

"In this moment, I have severe daddy issues." - SaviorSelf

genuinely lol'd 

I'm not, I left Christianity when I was 17 (now 21.) Based on the terms of the Bible I would not being going to heaven. I don't however harbor any angry/resentment towards Christianity or my parents.

Thank you for your honesty. I would urge you to reconsider. I don't know you, or what caused you to make a choice to reject what your parents profess to believe, but I do believe the Bible has the answers to mankinds problems, specifically the answer to obtaining peace with God.

The hindrance to many people is hypocritical Christianity. If this is the case in your life, look beyond the hypocrisy to a search by yourself for yourself.

I appreciate your concern man, honestly. My disbelief doesn't really stem from issues with the church or anything else like that. My disbelief is just that, disbelief. I do continue to seek out truth though and I don't consider my stance to be a closed case at all.

From the relationship you described with your dad, it is hard not to conclude that it weighs into the reason for your unbelief.