Will the Rapture Happen Tomorrow?

Will the Rapture Happen Tomorrow?

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Ransom said:
Please don't tell me I'm "absolutely right" when I'm quoting someone who is absolutely wrong.

What Ryrie meant was that "repentance" meant only a change of mind about Jesus. I quoted that very thing from Ryrie, and you even quoted it back to me. How could you have missed it?

By contrast, he believed that "repentance" in the sense of moral reform, having sorrow for one's sins and resolving to turn away from them, plays no part in salvation. And that is unbiblical. "Godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation" (2 Cor. 7:10). Godly sorrow over sin produces repentance of sin, which leads to salvation from judgment for sin. It has everything to do with salvation.
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I'm sorry if I misunderstood you. I was simply trying to point out that repentance without faith in the substitutionary atonement will not save anyone for salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
 
Ransom said:
What Ryrie meant was that "repentance" meant only a change of mind about Jesus.
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There is the initial repentance which leads one to Christ and an ongoing repentance thereafter. Both are the result of the Holy Spirit making one spiritually alive.

I’ll have to take a look at my Ryrie SB again, but since he did believe in unconditional election, I assume that he would agree.
 
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Heiser describes the Apostolic approach to biblical prophecy.

By inspiration, the Apostles interpreted prophecy metaphorically. He cites Matthew's allusion to Hosea, out of Egypt have a called my son; Isaiah's prophecy, behold, a virgin will conceive; and James's quotation of Amos at the Council in Jerusalem, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, of being seemingly being misapplied to Christ, yet Christ is the fulfillment of the OT prophecies.

The OT is cryptic by design, he argues, citing Paul, for had they [the princes of this world] known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; and Peter, Unto whom [the prophets] it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things which are now reported.

The Dispensational approach to prophecy misses Apostolic approach, which is why it is misleading...and dangerous.


 
Ekklesian said:
Heiser describes the Apostolic approach to biblical prophecy.

By inspiration, the Apostles interpreted prophecy metaphorically. He cites Matthew's allusion to Hosea, out of Egypt have a called my son; Isaiah's prophecy, behold, a virgin will conceive; and James's quotation of Amos at the Council in Jerusalem, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, of being seemingly being misapplied to Christ, yet Christ is the fulfillment of the OT prophecies.

The OT is cryptic by design, he argues, citing Paul, for had they [the princes of this world] known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; and Peter, Unto whom [the prophets] it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things which are now reported.

The Dispensational approach to prophecy misses Apostolic approach, which is why it is misleading...and dangerous.


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Jesus didn’t come to die on the cross spiritually or to be raised from the dead spiritually. Israel didn’t suffer 70 years of captivity and then return to their country spiritually; nor were they regathered after 2,000 years to their homeland spiritually. All these things were literal and physical. Revelation is progressive and a dispensation is nothing more than a dispensing of divine truth. Adam was not given the same instructions as Moses. John the Baptist did not preach the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ because it hadn’t happened yet. The Church did not come about until after the crucifixion and resurrection and yet the Bible makes it clear that in all dispensations men and women are saved by faith. In Romans chapter 4, Paul gave examples of men who were saved without works. You have Abraham before the law, David under the law, and Christians after the law.

You can take extremists such as Peter Ruckman or Bullinger to demonize dispensationalists, just as I could take Doug Wilson or those who believe it isn’t necessary to evangelize because of some extreme view of Calvinism and demonize you or other Reformed Christians, but both would be dishonest.

From my understanding it is dangerous to spiritualize prophecy or make everything metaphorical which happens many times. R.C. Sproul accepted the classic Pre-millennial view of the future conversion of ethic Israel and although there may be details of disagreement, it doesn’t make one a heretic who differs on certain subjects. Just as John MacArthur said, “If you believe in a literal Adam, you’re going to have to believe in the salvation of an ethnic Israel - same book.”

The Dangers of Spiritualizing the Bible

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I realize this article is written by a Pauline Mid-Acts Dispensationalist which I disagree with but the principles of what he says about literally interpreting the scriptures stand. The same holds true with Reformed theology which have differences of interpretation.
 
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If the question were ‘Will the second coming happen tomorrow’, I assume we would all say yes. In essence, the question is do you believe in the rapture?
And, how do you define rapture?
 
biscuit1953 said:
nor were they regathered after 2,000 years to their homeland spiritually.
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You're begging the question here, but that's beside the point.

The Apostolic approach to the OT is metaphorical. You can't come away from practically any application of the law or prophets made by them with any other rational conclusion.

Just off the top of my head, some examples not yet mentioned:


It was never about oxen.
For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. - 1 Corinthians 9:9-10​

Isaac and Ishmael, Sarah and Hagar. Believers vs unbelievers, Israel vs the Church
Galatians 4:21-31​
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It was never about the descendants of Abraham, but about Christ
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. - Galatians 3:16​
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In reality, the faithful nation was only a picture of God's Son in the earth. So now it's easier to see that the Exodus was never about the Jews. It was about Christ.​
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When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. - Hosea 11:1​
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And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. - Matthew 2:15​

And, of course, the straightforward identification of the Church as Zion and the Heavenly Jerusalem, which is here now.
Hebrews 12:22​
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The true Israel was always spiritual Israel.
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You have to deny the Scriptures to say that isn't so. You can't accept the fact that a jot has indeed passed from the law, namely a commandment concerning the priesthood that would bar Christ from assuming His position as High Priest (Heb. 7) . A jot has passed, meaning that all has been fulfilled. Matthew 5:18

The OT is done. There is nothing left. That Zionist apartheid state that has usurped the name of Israel and stolen the Jewish identity and has propagandized and weaponized the OT is not the fulfillment of prophecy.

The Church is.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. - 1 John 3:2
 
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