Women are not to be under house arrest - John Piper

[FSSL]

IFBdom has been known to enslave women through the pulpits of insecure men. Not all, but many.


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[biscuit1953]

Titus 2:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Many use this verse in the King James Bible to prove women have no business working outside the home.  However, we find similar expressions that clearly define what is actually being taught.  We have:

1.  A ?keeper of the prison? (Acts 16:27)

2.  A ?keeper of the vineyards? (Song 1:6)

3.  The ?keeper of the wardrobe? (2 Chron 34:22)

Obviously, no one slept in the closet with vestments or spent a 40 year career raising his family inside a jail.  A woman can live at home without ?keeping it.?  A woman can be busy at home without keeping it. 

Buying, selling, travelling and giving to the poor are just a much a part of ?housekeeping? as cooking, cleaning and sewing (see Proverbs 31). 

Paul is obviously giving a charge; not a location.

Naomi became a ?nurse? to her grandson Obed (Ruth 4:13-17) indicating she was responsible for raising the child.  Cf 2 Sam 4:4

With that being said I still believe a woman has no business being a cop on the beat or on the front lines with a bunch of salty marines.  Judge Barnes in Atlanta was killed because of political correctness.  They had a grandmother with a gun on her hip guarding a physically powerful criminal named Brian Nichols who easily overpowered her taking her weapon.  I noticed after he was captured he was guarded by a couple of barrel chested men!

 

[TheRealJonStewart]

To be honest, in some parts of the country - the wife has to work along with the husband. If preachers are concerned about wives working a day job, perhaps they should address the social issues concerning high rent costs in metropolitan cities.

 

[Bob H]

Not all, but "many".

I would say there's just "a few", but that's just me. The old saying applies "there's always some in every crowd"

 

[AlvinMartinezVoice]

Looks like Piper is compromising as of late. He preached at a seeker sensitive conference with false teachers Louie Giglio/Mark Driscoll/Andy Stanley. Piper is now going back and forth between the Calvinist/Evangelical/Southern Baptist crowd and the Seeker Sensitive false teaching crowd. Piper was also criticized by Jack Hyles/Larry Brown/Tony Hutson/Jack Trieber.

Like Jack Hyles used to say "Get hot or get cold, get in or get out, get with it or get without it". Looks like Piper and false teacher Giglio are on the fence going back and forth while being criticized by religious critics.

 

[Ransom]

Piper was also criticized by Jack Hyles/Larry Brown/Tony Hutson/Jack Trieber.

If you're not, you're doing it wrong.

 

[TheRealJonStewart]

Looks like Piper is compromising as of late. He preached at a seeker sensitive conference with false teachers Louie Giglio/Mark Driscoll/Andy Stanley. Piper is now going back and forth between the Calvinist/Evangelical/Southern Baptist crowd and the Seeker Sensitive false teaching crowd. Piper was also criticized by Jack Hyles/Larry Brown/Tony Hutson/Jack Trieber.

Like Jack Hyles used to say "Get hot or get cold, get in or get out, get with it or get without it". Looks like Piper and false teacher Giglio are on the fence going back and forth while being criticized by religious critics.

How can Piper be criticized by Jack Hyles when Jack Hyles is dead.

 

[AlvinMartinezVoice]

Hyles criticized Piper back in the late 90's but Piper wasn't one of Hyles' main targets like MacArthur/Paul Crouch/Oral Roberts/TBN/PTL Club/PCC/Bob Jones University etc.

 

[TheRealJonStewart]

Hyles criticized Piper back in the late 90's but Piper wasn't one of Hyles' main targets like MacArthur/Paul Crouch/Oral Roberts/TBN/PTL Club/PCC/Bob Jones University etc.

But Hyles was dead, in personality at least.

 

[FSSL]

IFBs do not know what to do with the single women in their churches. They also don't know how to deal with a childless couple.

This has been a consistent experience of mine for 15 years in 3 different churches.


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[TheRealJonStewart]

IFBs do not know what to do with the single women in their churches. They also don't know how to deal with a childless couple.

This has been a consistent experience of mine for 15 years in 3 different churches.


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You know the biggest pet peeve of mine was when every time a single woman came, all the church members tried to get them set up with  "godly" man. Perhaps she came to church to worship God, not find a man.

 

[sword]

IFBs do not know what to do with the single women in their churches. They also don't know how to deal with a childless couple.

This has been a consistent experience of mine for 15 years in 3 different churches.

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What do you mean do?
What do you suggest IFB churches do with them? Please share with us what IFB churches are doing wrong and how they could fix their current system?

The bible teaches we should encourage, exort, edify, be kind, be patient, bear the infirmities & burdens, respect and be a friend to name a few. 

 

[AlvinMartinezVoice]

Piper is one of those hyper calvinists like MacArthur that criticize other churches but unlike MacArthur, Piper has been hanging out with false teachers from the seeker sensitive crowd like Mark Driscoll, Craig Groeschel, and TBN Prosperity Preacher John Gray. Hyles had strong animus towards MacArthur and Piper and now Hyles' protoges (Hutson/Brown/Trieber) do as well.

 

[FSSL]

What do you mean do?
What do you suggest IFB churches do with them?

They are not treated equally with those who are married. People view single women as those who "need a man." They think single women have a problem. So, instead of minding their own business, church members treat them as a novelty to be introduced to every single eligible bachelor.

Churches, generally, are reluctant to allow single women to teach Bible studies (not just to single women Bible study groups), sit in planning meetings and be an active/viable part of the administration.

Please share with us what IFB churches are doing wrong and how they could fix their current system?

Unlike the society in which Paul lived, single women are not incapable of meeting their own needs. The Greco/Romans had an anthropocentric society. Single women struggled economically and socially.

Today, we have many successful single women in our churches who have careers and are able to sit in places of administration of their local cities/townships, but have zero voice in their own churches.

So... how can this be fixed? Start with the leadership. If they have a poor view of women, then get rid of them... until then... single women will find themselves locked into nursery duty, indefinitely.

 

[FSSL]

Piper is one of those hyper calvinists like MacArthur...

AlvinMartinezVoice is one of those Arminians.

Hyper-calvinist? What an uninformed absurd thing to say.

 

[prophet]

What do you mean do?
What do you suggest IFB churches do with them?

They are not treated equally with those who are married. People view single women as those who "need a man." They think single women have a problem. So, instead of minding their own business, church members treat them as a novelty to be introduced to every single eligible bachelor.

Churches, generally, are reluctant to allow single women to teach Bible studies (not just to single women Bible study groups), sit in planning meetings and be an active/viable part of the administration.

Please share with us what IFB churches are doing wrong and how they could fix their current system?

Unlike the society in which Paul lived, single women are not incapable of meeting their own needs. The Greco/Romans had an anthropocentric society. Single women struggled economically and socially.

Today, we have many successful single women in our churches who have careers and are able to sit in places of administration of their local cities/townships, but have zero voice in their own churches.

So... how can this be fixed? Start with the leadership. If they have a poor view of women, then get rid of them... until then... single women will find themselves locked into nursery duty, indefinitely.

This was not a weakness at fbch

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[AlvinMartinezVoice]

Piper and MacArthur and most calvinists don't believe in Revelation or the Rapture since they are already pre destined to go to heaven. The Seeker Sensitive crowd doesn't believe it in either since all they are about is being carnal and playing secular and mainstream music in their services.

 

[Ransom]

Piper and MacArthur and most calvinists don't believe in Revelation or the Rapture since they are already pre destined to go to heaven. The Seeker Sensitive crowd doesn't believe it in either since all they are about is being carnal and playing secular and mainstream music in their services.

If you want to be a good sockpuppet (instead of a poor sockpuppet), it helps to say things that are at least identifiable in some way as reality.

 

[T-Bone]

Piper and MacArthur and most calvinists don't believe in Revelation or the Rapture since they are already pre destined to go to heaven. The Seeker Sensitive crowd doesn't believe it in either since all they are about is being carnal and playing secular and mainstream music in their services.

Really hard to quantify how stupid this post is!

 

[Jubal Sackett]

IFBs do not know what to do with the single women in their churches. They also don't know how to deal with a childless couple.

This has been a consistent experience of mine for 15 years in 3 different churches.


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It's not just IFB's. In a SBC church from the time that one graduates HS until one marries. You are a freak. You exist in limbo with every old biddy in the church trying to fix you up with their granddaughter/son. After you marry you receive some degree of legitimacy but it takes the act of breeding to give one full adult status. Then you may sit at the council fires and smoke with the elders. The biggest fear is that a single person might have sex. therefore hey are sequestered from married people close to their age at all costs. We wouldn't want anyone giving them ideas now, would we.. The general attitude regarding singles  one of the main reasons that the church is losing young people. It's just a lot more fun to be somewhere else.

I never darkened the door of a church from the time I left HS until I married at 30. Spitfire made it plain that if we married  we would attend church and that our children would be raise in the church. I agreed with the caveat that if the same garbage that I had been raised with reared it's head we were gone. It happened about 18 yrs ago and we hit the door. This time I said that we would find a new church and we did and we're still there.

Jubal Sackett