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[FSSL]

...... i will tell you the same thing i told your new friend in the other thread......

<sarcasm>Hey! Don't say that! The forum will evaporate if Alayman and I are friends! I will have to pull the switch!<sarcasm off>

 

[FSSL]

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[AmazedbyGrace]

And just what is the "most appropriate place/function for the female gender"?

Home barefoot and pregnant and calling her husband "Lord"?

and that's for every woman?

Tit 2:4  That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Tit 2:5  To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.


Black print on white paper/screen.  I didn't write it, just cite it....  That'll preach!

You are fine with married mothers working outside the home, right? So certainly they are allowed to work in various types of work. The Bible does not restrict their type of work outside the home.

 

[rsc2a]

And just what is the "most appropriate place/function for the female gender"?

Home barefoot and pregnant and calling her husband "Lord"?

and that's for every woman?

Tit 2:4  That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Tit 2:5  To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.


Black print on white paper/screen.  I didn't write it, just cite it....  That'll preach!

You are fine with married mothers working outside the home, right? So certainly they are allowed to work in various types of work. The Bible does not restrict their type of work outside the home.

Are you kidding? If you start looking too closely at the cultural context, the Leave It to Beaver-ism would fall apart in a big hurry. That's why we need to ignore all that context stuff.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Was Paul talking about ANY women with this admonition?  Your argument is akin to those who want to argue for abortion (no offense intended) on the basis that a few pregnancies would cause the death of the mother.

really?.... you sit there at your computer and compare being physically unable to fulfill pauls admonition to the sin of murder?...... and then join in hee hawing with men in another thread over my comparing two different acts of rioting and vandalism, which the victims of both incidents viewed exactly the same?.....

I made no such comparison.  You asked about how the verse related to those who were not going to be wives and mothers.  In reality there are plenty of Christian wives and mothers who are in the military and some of those are in combat roles.  I brought the argument up about abortion because those who want wholesale abortion often start with cracking the door to the discussion by bringing up what they consider to be legitimate exceptions that ought to be allowed (in their opinion).  My point was that if there were legitimate exemptions to the Titus 2 admonition/command (as you implied, ie, those who were called to stay unmarried) that they paled in comparison to those that violate the spirit of the command in the name of egalitarian feminism.  The exception establishes the rule, not overthrows it.

God given roles?....... It would seem to me if God gave every woman the exact same role then He would have equipped and enabled every woman equally to fulfill it..... and not allowed the kind of men that fundamentalists are so famous for ignoring the sins of to destroy her ability or take it away........ ...... i will tell you the same thing i told your new friend in the other thread........ one day you will find out you don;t know half of what you think you do...... what will you do then?......... learn something from it?........ or continue on with the same arrogant facade?.......... i;m done with this.........

I'm sure that there's whole volumes that could be written on what I don't know.  That aside, I'm here to discuss my beliefs, and assume you'd do the same.  I have no intention to upset you by stating my beliefs, and wish that we could keep things civil and devoid of emotional rhetoric. 

Have a good Lords day.

 

[ALAYMAN]

...... i will tell you the same thing i told your new friend in the other thread......

<sarcasm>Hey! Don't say that! The forum will evaporate if Alayman and I are friends! I will have to pull the switch!<sarcasm off>

don;t worry.... he;ll be back in contention with you again soon...... over something..... i;m sure of it........ but next time he will be fighting his battles alone...... after all.. as a female it;s an inversion of my God given roll to take up a fight and argue with men....... is it not?.....  : ........i;m supposed to just sit quietly and learn... in all submission......  the other side to the complimentarian coin......  ........

I never said anything close to what you have indirectly attributed to me here.  But since we are into the divide and conquer mode now, don't you find it a bit disingenuous that you've suddenly become rsc2a's main greenie-giver, especially in light of what you've said about him in the past?  aleshanee, as a friend, I'd encourage you to maintain a consistent approach to your judgment and treatment of people, including me when we are discussing matters that we disagree about.

 

[ALAYMAN]

You are fine with married mothers working outside the home, right?

Yes, keeper at home doesn't mean "to never leave the house, nor hold outside business ventures". 

So certainly they are allowed to work in various types of work. The Bible does not restrict their type of work outside the home.

Does the Bible restrict their work outside the home as pertaining to them becoming pastors?

 

[FSSL]

i said once before i had grown very tired of the racist and misogynistic atmosphere on this forum..

.....granted you never resorted to the judgmental insults admin/fssl is famous for....

All of us middle class white men could just sit back and let you throw all of the pies

 

[ALAYMAN]

you worry over a few greens?...... i give credit where credit is due and always have..... without regard to whether someone likes me or not or whether i like them....... i;m not a camp follower or a member of cliques

There is rich irony in the fact you allude to being ganged up on, yet my position on the topic of this very thread puts me at great odds with the vast majority of this forum, even people that are very near to my theological stance in most every other way.  I'm obviously not looking for a clique or pandering to a crowd for greenies.

and i would encourage you to do the same.......  the misogynistic and condescending rants you have gone on in a few threads over the past few days here regarding both women and the ferguson problems has been a lot worse than my giving out of a few greens to someone whose opinion i find myself in rare agreement with on a few issues........... but don;t worry...... like i told admin not to worry about you and him suddenly being on the same side...... if i stick around here then i;m sure it won;t be long before rsc2a and i find things to disagree about again........ but i;m not sure i even want to anymore.........

i said once before i had grown very tired of the racist and misogynistic atmosphere on this forum....... and discovering i don;t have as many friends here i thought i did doesn;t help either....... you started this thread with a post that seemed like the opening of an honest discussion..... then a few replies later you posted a word with a list of things it is supposed to mean declaring women who touch any of those things are an abomination to God........ some 290 posts later after neither you or your ally green beret could answer my questions or prove from scripture my position on this issue is wrong.... you resorted to insisting you opinion was the opinion of God.... just because you say so....and to writing my arguments off as egalitarian feminism and emotional rhetoric........ that is hardly the action of a friend..... especially one who has known me as long you have and who knows why the cop out tactic of disregarding my arguments as emotional is so unfair......

and yes.... whether you can see it or not .... or admit it or not..... you did compare my position and argument of women wanting the right to serve their country to that of people supporting abortion and murder of innocents.....making that kind of irrelevant comparison is a very dirty and dishonest tactic in any argument.... and one i have see you bristle indignantly at others for when they pulled similar things on you in the past....... then you tell me in the middle of it please don;t take offense when you know very well that offense is the very reason such an irrelevant and dirty comparison is made in an argument in the first place........granted you never resorted to the judgmental insults admin/fssl is famous for but nevertheless the way all this came across did not appear to me as the actions of a friend...... ....

I'm a racist and a misogynist?  I'm sorry you feel that way, and more sorry to have upset you.  It's not worth it to continue discussing the matter, so I'll bow out here.

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

Does the Bible restrict their work outside the home as pertaining to them becoming pastors?

Is that the only restriction you recognize, or are there more?

 

[ALAYMAN]

Does the Bible restrict their work outside the home as pertaining to them becoming pastors?

Is that the only restriction you recognize, or are there more?

You didn't answer the question.

 

[rsc2a]

I believe one would have an extremely hard time making a blanket statement about women not pastoring if they at all considered it.

rsc2a <~~ someone who holds to a view towards multiple male eldership overseeing the called-out assembly

 

[prophet]

I believe one would have an extremely hard time making a blanket statement about women not pastoring if they at all considered it.

rsc2a <~~ someone who holds to a view towards multiple male eldership overseeing the called-out assembly

It'll go on deaf ears...

 

[subllibrm]

Men can't have babies. It's not fair. There ought to be a law!  8)

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Men can't have babies. It's not fair. There ought to be a law!  8)

This is nobody's fault, not even the Romans', but that he can have the right to have babies.