graceandtruth said:
cave_dweller said:
graceandtruth said:
Perhaps TM's parents will miss him. Perhaps his girlfriend will miss him. Perhaps his grandparents will miss him. Ohhhh.......never mind. I was thinking he was a human being. I forgot that having an empty marijuana bag, getting suspended from school, and taking a picture with your middle finger strips one of the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Oh yeah.....and their humanity.
Any amazingly biblical view. :'(
So.. are you condoning that lifestlye?
No I am not condoning any lifestyle that deviates from the clear teachings of Scripture. That includes celebrating the death of a child simply because ..... well I really don't know why.
As for the urban lifestyle, America has created and allowed it to grow unchecked for decades. We have spent decades referring to those who are forced by circumstances, their choices, and the choices of others to live in urban conditions as "those people" instead of our neighbors. I would think that we should do something to remedy the situation instead of blaming victim of circumstances or poor choices for their plight. Unless that sounds a little too New Testament like.
that is the problem with society though, it is lack of responsibility for actions. That is not a white or a black thing. But thank goodness we have obama and his cronies to take care of everything. pretty soon we will all have to not even go to work anymore, because everything in life will paid by someone else who worked for it.
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You are right cavedweller. Americans refuse to take responsibility for how their actions have affected the lives of others. When people make uninformed choices or ill informed choices or just poor choices is it not reasonable for those of us who are properly informed to seek to help them make better choices?
Am I reading the Bible correctly?
- We chose to sin against the holy God.
- Because of our poor choices we were unable to reverse the effects of our decisions on our lives and eternity.
- God saw what we did and said the problem with society is that they will not take responsibility for their actions and that is why the are condemned to hell and unable to change their actions.
- Then God said let them burn in hell. It is the American way.
No instead God sent His Son Jesus Christ to pay for salvation and give it to us when we have not worked for it. Jesus would then send His cronies to tell everyone about this welfare program that they all qualify for and do not have to work for called the Gospel. His cronies would spread the word on this new program in which someone else does all the work and gives his life while you are still living a irresponsible life of drug and alcohol use, immorality, economic irresponsibility, laziness, profanity, etc. so that you can have a better life. These cronies even quoted Jesus as saying it was someone else's responsibility to teach these irresponsible people about this program and only after they were willing to accept this program then they were to be taught how to live life more responsibly and called it the Great Commission.
When I read the Bible I do not see where God has given us an exemption from carrying out the Great Commission with people who are living an urban (which means city) lifestyle. I don't see where God says, "when people act irresponsibly you have not obligation to bring them the Gospel and model the grace of God to them". We all act irresponsibly when we engage in sin. None of us are able to take full responsibility for our sins until we see our sins as recipients of the unmerited Gospel.
Your post sounds a great deal like the attitude of the servant who was forgiven a great debt and then went out and demanded that the gentleman that owed him a paltry amount pay the entire amount and when he couldn't he had him imprisoned. God has forgiven us for cosmic irresponsibility at the cost of His Son's life. Then we who say we are Christians are afraid to show grace to someone else exhibiting American irresponsibility because it may cost us a dollar. Incredible .................
I too am concerned about excessive taxation and other means used to care for those who live irresponsibly. I am still the sole provider for my wife and 13 of our 17 children without having ever had any public assistance. I am not, however, concerned enough to compromise the Gospel. I will gladly forgive the paltry debt of irresponsibility that I am owed as a taxpayer because of the cosmic debt of irresponsibility that I have been forgiven by God through Christ as Ephesians 4 demands.
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Yes but in order to recieve the gift of God you must admit you have a sin problem, you must know that you can not get to heaven on your own merit. You as a Christian had enough sense to deal with your sin problem the right way. People who are just plain lazy don't have enough sense to live the right way. They are happy living a poorer lifestyle as long as it easy for them. graceandtruth you do not know who I am. I try to be a part of the solution and not the problem. I work with many poor and underprivileged kids ( and since you like to make this a white and black argument most of these kids are black) in my community. I take time to help them and thier families and be a mentor to them. I don't care what anyone else does, but I want to please my God and my Saviourn and do what I can do turn this great nation back to its roots. However, do not upset when I point out the problem, because there are many of those. The problem has to be identified before one can deal with it.
