Zimmerman case

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This is hard to watch. Can you say, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
 
He's looking innocent so far, based on what I've heard about the trial. 

The only good argument I've heard against Zimmerman was made outside the trial by Michael Savage.  He pointed out that Zimmerman must have had a round in the chamber and the safety off before the fight, which means he had intent to shoot. 

I would argue that he didn't need the safety off.  He could pull out the gun and turn the safety off with one hand.  But he probably had a round in the chamber because that takes 2 hands, and he probably couldn't chamber a round while he was getting battered.  Martin wouldn't have allowed him to do that, I think.

However, I don't necessarily agree with Michael Savage's reasoning.  Maybe Zimmerman always had a round chambered when he went out on patrol.  Someone would have to establish that this was not the case, and that he chambered a round specifically for this confrontation. 

But what do I know?  I'm just a crazy-a$$-cracker.
 
Castor Muscular said:
He's looking innocent so far, based on what I've heard about the trial. 

The only good argument I've heard against Zimmerman was made outside the trial by Michael Savage.  He pointed out that Zimmerman must have had a round in the chamber and the safety off before the fight, which means he had intent to shoot. 

I would argue that he didn't need the safety off.  He could pull out the gun and turn the safety off with one hand.  But he probably had a round in the chamber because that takes 2 hands, and he probably couldn't chamber a round while he was getting battered.  Martin wouldn't have allowed him to do that, I think.

However, I don't necessarily agree with Michael Savage's reasoning.  Maybe Zimmerman always had a round chambered when he went out on patrol.  Someone would have to establish that this was not the case, and that he chambered a round specifically for this confrontation. 

But what do I know?  I'm just a crazy-a$$-cracker.
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I almost always chamber a round when I put my gun in my pocket. A unloaded gun is worthless. Do cops carry guns without one in the chamber?
 
I wouldn't feel comfortable at all with GZ patrolling my neighborhood.  That would mean open season on my African-American sons even at home.  Not a good idea for me. I will stick to letting the policemen do their job of patrolling neighborhoods.
 
graceandtruth said:
I wouldn't feel comfortable at all with GZ patrolling my neighborhood.  That would mean open season on my African-American sons even at home.  Not a good idea for me. I will stick to letting the policemen do their job of patrolling neighborhoods.
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"Open season on African Americans", this guy went to bat for a black homeless man and rallied with the NAACP.  He is himself a member of a minority often stereotyped for theft and vandalism.  Just because he followed a black boy does not make him a racist.  There are three white kids a couple doors down that are always fighting and stealing so I keep an eye on then, does that mean its open season on white kids around the Hayden house. 
Why are you so desperate to make this Rodney King V2?
 
If you keep up with the news, it looks like the pressure is on to get Zimmerman convicted of SOMETHING, literally ANYTHING, as long as he goes down.  The judge has been acting crazy.  No matter which way it goes, it's wide open for mistrial now. 

Open season on black kids?  Give me a freakin break.  You're one of the reasons why this Rassmussen poll turned out the way it did:

Blacks more racist than whites, Rasmussen poll finds

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/14952214-blacks-are-more-racist-than-whites-poll

 
Interesting read from Hot Air

But the state couldn’t get away with not trying for murder; this case is supposed to illustrate a Larger Truth about white (or “white Hispanic”) racism, and something as malignant as that requires a murder charge.

The fact that they’re now floating a charge as nonsensical as murder committed in the course of felony child abuse when the shooting itself is the ostensible child abuse lays bare just how political the state’s goal is. That was already clear from the fact that the police chief was relieved for refusing to arrest Zimmerman, and then doubly clear when the state decided it needed a special prosecutor to make sure that this was brought to trial. They must have a conviction here, not only to vindicate that Larger Truth but to lower the chances of violence after the verdict.
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The judge finally decided not to go for the child abuse charge, just 2nd degree and manslaughter. 

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/11/prosecutor-to-judge-can-we-also-charge-zimmerman-with-third-degree-murder-based-on-er-child-abuse/

 
graceandtruth said:
I wouldn't feel comfortable at all with GZ patrolling my neighborhood.  That would mean open season on my African-American sons even at home.
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Apart from the hate-droolings of racist shakedown artists like Al Sharpton, which don't count for anything, there's no evidence that Zimmerman shot Martin because of his race.  Zimmerman may have acted very badly, but he wasn't out hunting black kids. Calm down.
 
I spent three years working for the boys and girls club teen program in inner city Knoxville.  Most days, I was the only white guy in the building.  There is a real problem with race in our country, but calling racism every time something happens to a black kid at the hands of a white kid isn't the solution. 
How about banning music that elevates violence and treats women like livestock?  How about real education reform, that includes discipline and order and expects kids to learn something other than black studies?  How about welfare reform that focuses on education and workforce placement?
Or we could just keep manufacturing racism where it isn't and flaming a victim mentality because that is working so well for us.
 
graceandtruth said:
I wouldn't feel comfortable at all with GZ patrolling my neighborhood.  That would mean open season on my African-American sons even at home.  Not a good idea for me. I will stick to letting the policemen do their job of patrolling neighborhoods.
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Why is it at one hand.... you never trust the Police to do what's right..... and then you turn right around and pretend you're going to trust them to patrol your neighborhood properly???

Would you have preferred "No Limit _____" on patrol?

[Ahem. Let's keep the discourse elevated above the hip-hop level, please. - Ransom]
 
pastorryanhayden said:
 
How about banning music that elevates violence and treats women like livestock?  How about real education reform, that includes discipline and order and expects kids to learn something other than black studies?  How about welfare reform that focuses on education and workforce placement?
Or we could just keep manufacturing racism where it isn't and flaming a victim mentality because that is working so well for us.
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Well said.
 
christundivided said:
graceandtruth said:
I wouldn't feel comfortable at all with GZ patrolling my neighborhood.  That would mean open season on my African-American sons even at home.  Not a good idea for me. I will stick to letting the policemen do their job of patrolling neighborhoods.
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Why is it at one hand.... you never trust the Police to do what's right..... and then you turn right around and pretend you're going to trust them to patrol your neighborhood properly???

Would you have preferred "No Limit _____" on patrol?

[Ahem. Let's keep the discourse elevated above the hip-hop level, please. - Ransom]
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This is what "Martin" called himself. If you haven't keep up with the case.... then you shouldn't make such a stupid mistake.
 
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