Zimmerman case

[graceandtruth]

I wouldn't feel comfortable at all with GZ patrolling my neighborhood.  That would mean open season on my African-American sons even at home.  Not a good idea for me. I will stick to letting the policemen do their job of patrolling neighborhoods.

"Open season on African Americans", this guy went to bat for a black homeless man and rallied with the NAACP.  He is himself a member of a minority often stereotyped for theft and vandalism.  Just because he followed a black boy does not make him a racist.  There are three white kids a couple doors down that are always fighting and stealing so I keep an eye on then, does that mean its open season on white kids around the Hayden house. 
Why are you so desperate to make this Rodney King V2?

I am "desperate" to do nothing.  The guy killed an unarmed boy.  Unlike your neighbors he knew absolutely nothing about the boy that would cause him to feel a need to keep an eye on him.  Realities are realities.  You are usually much more even handed in your treatment of subjects and willing to listen to those who know something of the subject.  I am disappointed but not surprised.

 

[graceandtruth]

If you keep up with the news, it looks like the pressure is on to get Zimmerman convicted of SOMETHING, literally ANYTHING, as long as he goes down.  The judge has been acting crazy.  No matter which way it goes, it's wide open for mistrial now. 

Open season on black kids?  Give me a freakin break.  You're one of the reasons why this Rassmussen poll turned out the way it did:

Blacks more racist than whites, Rasmussen poll finds

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/14952214-blacks-are-more-racist-than-whites-poll

LOL........

 

[graceandtruth]

I wouldn't feel comfortable at all with GZ patrolling my neighborhood.  That would mean open season on my African-American sons even at home.

Apart from the hate-droolings of racist shakedown artists like Al Sharpton, which don't count for anything, there's no evidence that Zimmerman shot Martin because of his race.  Zimmerman may have acted very badly, but he wasn't out hunting black kids. Calm down.

I am quite calm Ransom.  I am also aware that he gunned down a child that he did not know for simply walking through the neighborhood.  What exactly made him look so suspicious that it would warrant him approaching him on a public street and arming himself with a weapon that is locked and loaded.  Sorry, I am not buying GZ's story any more than whites bought OJ's story.

 

[graceandtruth]

I spent three years working for the boys and girls club teen program in inner city Knoxville.  Most days, I was the only white guy in the building.  There is a real problem with race in our country, but calling racism every time something happens to a black kid at the hands of a white kid isn't the solution. 
How about banning music that elevates violence and treats women like livestock?  How about real education reform, that includes discipline and order and expects kids to learn something other than black studies?  How about welfare reform that focuses on education and workforce placement?
Or we could just keep manufacturing racism where it isn't and flaming a victim mentality because that is working so well for us.

No victim mentality my friend and no need for paternal advice.  I am capable of thinking for myself and weighing a situation as well as you.  I am even more capable of identifying racism directed against people of my ethnic group because I have lived it.  GZ may or may not have been motivated by racism but a system that did not see the need to arrest him for the murder of an unarmed child gives the impression there is a problem of systemic racism at least in this area of Florida and from the posts here among IFBers.

 

[graceandtruth]

I wouldn't feel comfortable at all with GZ patrolling my neighborhood.  That would mean open season on my African-American sons even at home.  Not a good idea for me. I will stick to letting the policemen do their job of patrolling neighborhoods.

Why is it at one hand.... you never trust the Police to do what's right..... and then you turn right around and pretend you're going to trust them to patrol your neighborhood properly???

Would you have preferred "No Limit _____" on patrol?

[Ahem. Let's keep the discourse elevated above the hip-hop level, please. - Ransom]

This is what "Martin" called himself. If you haven't keep up with the case.... then you shouldn't make such a stupid mistake.

Since all GZ knew about TM was that he was an unknown A-A male in "his" neighborhood he did not know what TM called himself.  So your statement and attempt to justify GZ's actions and demonize TM are wasted.

 

[graceandtruth]

Now you guys can listen to someone who knows what it means to be Black in America and learn or continue to rant and remain whatever you are..........  By the way quit wasting the ad hominem statements and references to Sharpton and guys of that ilk because I do not agree with any aspect of their agendas but I have no intentions of closing my eyes to the reality that is America and that is condoned by guys on this forum.  I guess I have learned the IFB lesson to stand for right even if you have to stand alone.

 

[christundivided]

Now you guys can listen to someone who knows what it means to be Black in America and learn or continue to rant and remain whatever you are..........  By the way quit wasting the ad hominem statements and references to Sharpton and guys of that ilk because I do not agree with any aspect of their agendas but I have no intentions of closing my eyes to the reality that is America and that is condoned by guys on this forum.  I guess I have learned the IFB lesson to stand for right even if you have to stand alone.

You're not standing for anything ALONE. You sure have a high opinion of yourself. You weren't there and you don't know the heart of any other man. All you have done is make assumptions.

What have you learned about "No Limit N____"?

How about doing a quick search on his Tweeter handle and see what kind of person he was. You wouldn't let you daughter date such a man but you'd turn you back on every brother in Christ that believes Zimmerman because YOUR BLACK. This isn't really about Martin. Its about YOU.

 

[christundivided]

zimmerman made a critical mistake by not following the dispatchers advice and leaving the matter to police...... that much is obvious...... but does that alone justify a verdict of murder?.....  i don;t think so.....  and in truth i don;t think the prosecution or the judge believes it either...... they would not be coming across as hostile or as frustrated in their handling of this case if they truly believed they had a valid case at all....... their actions indicate they are not so much interested in preventing an open season being declared on african american young men as they are having to deal with the fall out and angry backlash likely to come if they fail to get george zimmerman convicted of at least something.... they over reached and they have bady botched this case.....  i believe it should end in a mistrial and re tried under a different judge.......  but like i said before those are just my opinions.........  we will have to wait and see what the jury says......  [/font][/size][/color]

Martin made a critical mistake by beating a man with a Gun. Martin made a critical mistake by smoking dope that night. They even refused to play the tapes that showed Martin staggering because he was high. Martin made many critical mistake.

 

[Castor Muscular]

I am quite calm Ransom.  I am also aware that he gunned down a child that he did not know for simply walking through the neighborhood. 

You may be calm, but you're not rational, and you're not telling the truth.  According to the evidence and testimony, he gunned down a boy because the boy attacked Zimmerman and had Zimmerman on the ground taking an MMA beating.  It is true that the boy attacked Zimmerman because Zimmerman was following him. 

It is legal to follow someone.
It is legal in FL to defend yourself with deadly force, especially when there's no option to retreat.
It is not legal to attack someone just because he's a creepy-ass cracka who's following you.  That's just the kind of racist attitude that gets people like Trayvon into trouble.

 

[graceandtruth]

Now you guys can listen to someone who knows what it means to be Black in America and learn or continue to rant and remain whatever you are..........  By the way quit wasting the ad hominem statements and references to Sharpton and guys of that ilk because I do not agree with any aspect of their agendas but I have no intentions of closing my eyes to the reality that is America and that is condoned by guys on this forum.  I guess I have learned the IFB lesson to stand for right even if you have to stand alone.

You're not standing for anything ALONE. You sure have a high opinion of yourself. You weren't there and you don't know the heart of any other man. All you have done is make assumptions.

What have you learned about "No Limit N____"?

How about doing a quick search on his Tweeter handle and see what kind of person he was. You wouldn't let you daughter date such a man but you'd turn you back on every brother in Christ that believes Zimmerman because YOUR BLACK. This isn't really about Martin. Its about YOU.

His twitter account is an irrelevant smoke screen.  GZ did not see TM's twitter account before he shot and killed him for walking in "his" neighborhood.

You are right.  It is about me because I have 11 sons and none of them would run from a would be attacker.  They would all stand their ground and defend themselves.  You seem to think a A-A boy standing his ground is wrong but GZ standing his ground is perfectly alright.  Strange..........no expected.

 

[graceandtruth]

zimmerman made a critical mistake by not following the dispatchers advice and leaving the matter to police...... that much is obvious...... but does that alone justify a verdict of murder?.....  i don;t think so.....  and in truth i don;t think the prosecution or the judge believes it either...... they would not be coming across as hostile or as frustrated in their handling of this case if they truly believed they had a valid case at all....... their actions indicate they are not so much interested in preventing an open season being declared on african american young men as they are having to deal with the fall out and angry backlash likely to come if they fail to get george zimmerman convicted of at least something.... they over reached and they have bady botched this case.....  i believe it should end in a mistrial and re tried under a different judge.......  but like i said before those are just my opinions.........  we will have to wait and see what the jury says......  [/font][/size][/color]

Martin made a critical mistake by beating a man with a Gun. Martin made a critical mistake by smoking dope that night. They even refused to play the tapes that showed Martin staggering because he was high. Martin made many critical mistake.

So Martin was not allowed to defend himself when approached by a strange man in the dark that has been stalking him?  Hmmmm.....demonizing the victim......strange.....no expected.

GZ did not know that TM smoked marijuana in the last 30 days before he shot him.  Again smoke screen.

 

[graceandtruth]

I am quite calm Ransom.  I am also aware that he gunned down a child that he did not know for simply walking through the neighborhood. 

You may be calm, but you're not rational, and you're not telling the truth.  According to the evidence and testimony, he gunned down a boy because the boy attacked Zimmerman and had Zimmerman on the ground taking an MMA beating.  It is true that the boy attacked Zimmerman because Zimmerman was following him. 

It is legal to follow someone.
It is legal in FL to defend yourself with deadly force, especially when there's no option to retreat.
It is not legal to attack someone just because he's a creepy-ass cracka who's following you.  That's just the kind of racist attitude that gets people like Trayvon into trouble.

And your racist attitude is they type of attitude that makes people think they are justified in killing A-A's whenever they feel threatened no matter how much of a threat they have already posed. 

 

[Castor Muscular]

You are right.  It is about me because I have 11 sons and none of them would run from a would be attacker.  They would all stand their ground and defend themselves.  You seem to think a A-A boy standing his ground is wrong but GZ standing his ground is perfectly alright.  Strange..........no expected.

The FL stand-your-ground law has nothing to do with a "would-be" attacker.  It has to do with an attacker. 

 

[graceandtruth]

You are right.  It is about me because I have 11 sons and none of them would run from a would be attacker.  They would all stand their ground and defend themselves.  You seem to think a A-A boy standing his ground is wrong but GZ standing his ground is perfectly alright.  Strange..........no expected.

The FL stand-your-ground law has nothing to do with a "would-be" attacker.  It has to do with an attacker.

Spin my friend Spin.......Anything to salve the conscience.

 

[Castor Muscular]

So Martin was not allowed to defend himself when approached by a strange man in the dark that has been stalking him? 

Yeah, Martin should have killed Zimmerman for that and then claimed it was justified under the stand-your-ground law.  "But, your honor, he was FOLLOWING me!" 

 

[graceandtruth]

So Martin was not allowed to defend himself when approached by a strange man in the dark that has been stalking him? 

Yeah, Martin should have killed Zimmerman for that and then claimed it was justified under the stand-your-ground law.  "But, your honor, he was FOLLOWING me!"

Sounds good.  I am glad to hear you coming around to reality.

Of course not.  He was a young A-A boy in GZ's neighborhood.  TM should have took off his hoodie, averted his eyes to the ground and shuffled a little while he answered "yes sah", "I's sorry sah" and may be GZ wouldn't have shot him.  Then GZ would have know he was a "good negro" and let him go.

PLEASE.......This is 2013.  You must be pretty old Castor to expect such behavior simply because one is A-A and the person approaching you appears to be E-A.

 

[Ransom]

This is what "Martin" called himself.

And are you capable of greater maturity than him? If so, exercise it.

 

[Ransom]

I am quite calm Ransom.  I am also aware that he gunned down a child that he did not know for simply walking through the neighborhood.

Now you're simply not being honest. The argument of the defense, should it prevail in court, is that Zimmerman acted as he did in self-defense because he was attacked and wounded by Martin, and felt his life was in danger.

Your half-truth makes it sound like Zimmerman gunned Martin down in cold blood because he happened to be walking down the street. No one, so far as I know, has argued that.

 

[christundivided]

This is what "Martin" called himself.

And are you capable of greater maturity than him? If so, exercise it.

It was nothing more than a quoteand it had nothing to do with maturity. Are you capable of discerning the difference? If so, exercise it.

 

[christundivided]

zimmerman made a critical mistake by not following the dispatchers advice and leaving the matter to police...... that much is obvious...... but does that alone justify a verdict of murder?.....  i don;t think so.....  and in truth i don;t think the prosecution or the judge believes it either...... they would not be coming across as hostile or as frustrated in their handling of this case if they truly believed they had a valid case at all....... their actions indicate they are not so much interested in preventing an open season being declared on african american young men as they are having to deal with the fall out and angry backlash likely to come if they fail to get george zimmerman convicted of at least something.... they over reached and they have bady botched this case.....  i believe it should end in a mistrial and re tried under a different judge.......  but like i said before those are just my opinions.........  we will have to wait and see what the jury says......  [/font][/size][/color]

Martin made a critical mistake by beating a man with a Gun. Martin made a critical mistake by smoking dope that night. They even refused to play the tapes that showed Martin staggering because he was high. Martin made many critical mistake.

So Martin was not allowed to defend himself when approached by a strange man in the dark that has been stalking him?  Hmmmm.....demonizing the victim......strange.....no expected.

GZ did not know that TM smoked marijuana in the last 30 days before he shot him.  Again smoke screen.

Another lie. The test run on Martin was a blood test. THC doesn't stay in the blood for 30 days. You should try to be better at lying to others. Your seem to have gotten lying to yourself down pat. Your religion hasn't took hold enough to keep you from being a chronic liar.

Questin for you. Martin's own family has said that their son wasn't racially profiled but rather criminally profiled.....

What right do you have to say anything to the contrary?