The Doctrine of Complete Dispensationalism (Refining it Down)

[Twisted]

Apparently so.

“Now on the next day, which is the one after the preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered together with Pilate, and said, “Sir, we remember that when He was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I am to rise again.’ Therefore, give orders for the grave to be made secure until the third day, lest the disciples come and steal Him away and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead,’ and the last deception will be worse than the first. Pilate said to them, ‘You have a guard, go, make it as secure as you know how.’ And they went and made the grave secure, and along with the guard they set a seal on the stone” (Matthew 27:62-66).

So the "borg" equates this with the Roman having a full understanding of the gospel. Total moron.

EVERYONE knew what Jesus preached about himself. The Romans had ZERO belief in a resurrection but had a vested interest in making sure that this "Jesus" fellow wouldn't disappear.

This is what happens when you reject the Book. God messes with your mind. Pure delusion.

 

[tmjbog]

That is it! That is the whole purpose of this forum. Deny. Deny. Deny.

You've nailed it.

Deny unscriptural teaching yes. Here is the argument made by UGC:

So now you're conjecturing the lost Romans knew the Gospel of the Grace of God when the Disciples themselves didn't.

This is what happens when you make up your own doctrine and don't know what the scriptures say:

The Disciples checking out the empty tomb:
"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." -John 20:9

The Scripture you provided above and the one I provided above shows that the Romans knew he taught he was going to rise again. According to John 20:9 the Scripture taught the same. So the information was there. The disciples might have had there own desires that conflicted with Christ's purpose that made it difficult for them to accept his purpose. Regardless his rising again was not unknown to the people at that time.

 

[tmjbog]

So the "borg" equates this with the Roman having a full understanding of the gospel. Total moron.

EVERYONE knew what Jesus preached about himself. The Romans had ZERO belief in a resurrection but had a vested interest in making sure that this "Jesus" fellow wouldn't disappear.

This is what happens when you reject the Book. God messes with your mind. Pure delusion.

So if no one knew that Jesus was claiming to raise again in 3 days why did the Romans know he taught it. Doesn't matter whether they believed it-they knew he taught it.

 

[UGC]

the Romans knew he taught he was going to rise again.

Yeah that's not the Gospel of the Grace of God. The Gospel of the Grace of God is that Christ died to pay for their sins, and THEN rose again.

Apparently so.

“Now on the next day, which is the one after the preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered together with Pilate, and said, “Sir, we remember that when He was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I am to rise again.’ Therefore, give orders for the grave to be made secure until the third day, lest the disciples come and steal Him away and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead,’ and the last deception will be worse than the first. Pilate said to them, ‘You have a guard, go, make it as secure as you know how.’ And they went and made the grave secure, and along with the guard they set a seal on the stone” (Matthew 27:62-66).

1. Wow, so I guess that passage completely erases John 20:9 from the Bible:
"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead."

2. It also erases this Matthew 16 from the Bible:
“From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.” (21-22)

3. ...Yet Peter knew he was the Christ:
“He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (15-16)

"But remember, Covenant Theologians, ever since a young child, like all of the Israelites, he was already believing in the Gospel of the Grace of God: that Christ would die to pay for his sins, be buried, and rise again from the dead 3 days later." -probably tmjbog next

5. It also erases Luke 18:31-34 from the Bible:

“Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.”

6. My favorite, it also erases 1 Cor. 2:7-8:

“But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.”

The Mystery of the Gospel of the Grace of God was that Jesus Christ died to pay for their sins, as humanity's free ticket to everlasting life.


7. I think I've finally figured out Covenant Theologians' style. You just grab a verse like it's a laser gun and use it to shoot other verses out of the Bible. Rad, man. Rad.

 

[Twisted]

Regardless his rising again was not unknown to the people at that time.

Yeah, brainiac, we know that BECAUSE THE SCRIPTURE TELLS US THEY KNEW THAT.

Yeah, brainiac, the disciples knew it too BECAUSE JESUS TOLD THEM!

Good night, how stupid are you?

 

[tmjbog]

This is what happens when you reject the Book. God messes with your mind. Pure delusion.

Ya, the racist rucky club and their Mormon like teachings are the sane ones here.

Yeah that's not the Gospel of the Grace of God. The Gospel of the Grace of God is that Christ died to pay for their sins, and THEN rose again.


1. Wow, so I guess that passage completely erases John 20:9 from the Bible:
"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead."

2. It also erases this Matthew 16 from the Bible:
“From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.” (21-22)

3. ...Yet Peter knew he was the Christ:
“He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (15-16)

"But remember, Covenant Theologians, ever since a young child, like all of the Israelites, he was already believing in the Gospel of the Grace of God: that Christ would die to pay for his sins, be buried, and rise again from the dead 3 days later." -probably tmjbog next

5. It also erases Luke 18:31-34 from the Bible:

“Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.”

6. My favorite, it also erases 1 Cor. 2:7-8:

“But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.”

The mystery of the Gospel of the grace of God was that Jesus Christ died to pay for their sins, as humanities free ticket to everlasting life.


7. I think I've finally figured out Covenant Theologians' style. You just grab a verse like it's a laser gun and use it to shoot other verses out of the Bible. Rad, man. Rad.

Now you are just drama queening it. Some of the verses you quoted they were clearly told. The fact they didn't like it or thought they had some way of interrupting the plan didn't mean it was not taught. The Romans who were likely indifferent about it. They just knew what he claimed and wanted to make sure they could not steal the body and claim he resurrected. You still have not explained how the Romans knew his teaching if it perplexed everyone else?

 

[tmjbog]

Yeah, brainiac, we know that BECAUSE THE SCRIPTURE TELLS US THEY KNEW THAT.

Yeah, brainiac, the disciples knew it too BECAUSE JESUS TOLD THEM!

Good night, how stupid are you?

Ya, not all of us has what it takes to be part of the Rucky Racist cult.

 

[UGC]

"They needed to steal him first, before God could resurrect him, Twisted!

Apparently so.

I know you didn't mean this but you should have been more accurate with your words.

They, like the Disciples themselves, did not believe Jesus Christ when he said he will rise again from the dead in 3 days.

They were worried about the body being stolen because they though the Disciples might have believed him (they didn't), not Christ actually resurrecting.

 

[UGC]

the racist rucky club and their Mormon like teachings

LOL U MAD BRO?

Up until now it was just verses getting shared back and forth, but as soon we're right you switch to pulling the "everyone who proves me wrong is a racist Mormon" card?

Smh.

 

[UGC]

Some of the verses you quoted they were clearly told.

Yeah, you know what, God clearly told them in the Old Testament, too. But obviously no one believed it, therefore are you trying to tell me that all of Israel ever since the Old Testament went to burn in hell because none of them believed it yet?

They were believing in something, just not the Gospel of the Grace of God.


Clearly 1 Peter 1:10-12 says the OT saints did not fully understand what was prophesied about the cross, and knew it was not for them:

“Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.”

 

[Twisted]

Ya, not all of us has what it takes to be part of the Rucky Racist cult.

Yeah, the Disciples didn't believe because of Ruckman.

Pure retard.

 

[Twisted]

Ya, not all of us has what it takes to be part of the Rucky Racist cult.

Here's another one for you that you won't understand:

There will be millions, yea, BILLIONS who are alive on the earth when God in the flesh will visibly rule on a visible throne that will reject what He says.

There is a BOOK, that is printed NOW, that tells of this event, and yet they will still not believe.

It's got to be impossible for your cupcake brain to grasp that. But that's YOUR problem.

 

[treasure_unseen]

Honest question: Are you a blank retard, or just willingly want to be biblically illiterate?

It seems like every time and I mean EVERY TIME anyone posts an issue that rises above second-grade Sunday School material, it is attacked as always wrong.

I'm sure someone at some time has put together a timeline of "Revealed truth" that has become known over time since the first century.

The level of willful biblical ignorance is amazing. The Bereans searched the scriptures to see if these things were so. Here on the forum, it's just blank denial.

So you're searching and everyone else is a retard?

Seems like you're the one with the issue. Those at Berea searched the Scriptures. It is rather obvious you enjoy searching UTG's youtube channel or googling man made doctrine.

It is very simple. The reason the disciples didn't not know what the Scriptures taught is because they were ignorant and unlearned men. Do you remember where those words are written in the Scriptures?

Add the fact..... that at every turn they refused to believe what they were told (UNBELIEF)..... and you get willing ignorance on their part. It wasn't that anyone didn't know. It wasn't they shouldn't have known. They should have.

They, like US (including yourself) don't know what is written and don't believe what is written.

For example, you'd rather study the Scriptures through the lens of dispensationalism than to see the Scriptures for exact what they are. You're always wearing your dispensational "rose colored glasses"....

I was a dispensationalist. I decided I'd start believing the Scriptures instead of reading dispensational commentary.

 

[treasure_unseen]

Here's another one for you that you won't understand:

There will be millions, yea, BILLIONS who are alive on the earth when God in the flesh will visibly rule on a visible throne that will reject what He says.

There is a BOOK, that is printed NOW, that tells of this event, and yet they will still not believe.

It's got to be impossible for your cupcake brain to grasp that. But that's YOUR problem.

Yep. You've taken unbelief and made a systematic theology from it. Your system rewards unbelief.

 

[UGC]

Treasure_unseen. You are the first person who posted in here who's post I didn't even bother reading.

Please go back to your threads about how the Holy Spirit sealed Saul and everyone else in the Old Testament.

(Seriously though, this guy doesn't see anyone else, he just keeps posting which takes up space. Kindly do that on another thread, people are trying to learn doctrine here)

 

[illinoisguy]

Allegedly Christ and the author of Hebrews preached the Gospel of the Kingdom (the Millennial Kingdom) to people in the First Century AD, even though that gospel was not for that age and would not go into effect until at least 2000 years later. Sorry, but that is nonsense. If that is what "Complete Dispensationalism" is all about, then I'm not interested. I prefer to remain "incomplete" and just believe the Bible instead of the ravings of Rucky the Racist. Ruckman taught that we should reject the original manuscripts of the Bible and just follow him instead. Now, that's Satanic.

 

[treasure_unseen]

Treasure_unseen. You are the first person who posted in here who's post I didn't even bother reading.

Please go back to your threads about how the Holy Spirit sealed Saul and everyone else in the Old Testament.

(Seriously though, this guy doesn't see anyone else, he just keeps posting which takes up space. Kindly do that on another thread, people are trying to learn doctrine here)

I've challenged more than once to defend your beliefs. You refuse to go line by line. Comment by comment to defend your beliefs. You can't.

You're trying to minimalism me with nonsense comments like above.

The disciples that Jesus choose weren't touting around bibles in their hip pockets nor attending the synagogues every service. They largely believed what they were told by whomever was telling them what. Oral vain traditions of their fathers. Which is exactly what you have today. A bunch of people like yourself.... regurgitating half truths and false narrative they received from their fathers. You celebrate unbelief. You promote unbelief as if it were purposeful.

Sad.

 

[FSSL]

I've challenged more than once to defend your beliefs. You refuse to go line by line. Comment by comment to defend your beliefs. You can't.

Their "Complete Dispensationalism" is filled with debunked ideas regarding the OT and they are incapable of even defending. It's mainly a Ruckman dispensationalism with old school Scofield and the exaggerated, strange multiple gospel system.

I'm a Dispensationalist, but this is NOTHING close to Classic Dispensationalism.

 

[UGC]

Allegedly Christ and the author of Hebrews preached the Gospel of the Kingdom (the Millennial Kingdom) to people in the First Century AD, even though that gospel was not for that age

Yeah, you know who else did? Jesus Christ, before the cross.

Matthew 24 is for the Great Tribulation, not the Body of Christ in the Church Age.

filled with debunked ideas regarding the OT

Nothing has been debunked from it. You don't even know what it is in full because we haven't laid everything out yet, but more importantly you don't even know what Dispensationalism is, you think it's the same thing as Covenant Theology. You actually called DTS "extreme" when they are Progressives.

What has been debunked is your nonsensical idea that the Holy Spirit never departed from Saul and sealed people in the OT the same way in the NT.

 

[FSSL]

Nothing has been debunked from it. You don't even know what it is in full because we haven't laid everything out yet...

You refuse to answer the OT questions I presented. Since you are not going to present an answer, your work in progress is absurd.

The multiple gospels presentation is old-school Dispensationalism... an error beget by Scofield (as far as I can tell) and exaggerated by your discussions.