Mrs. Hyles and the kids

[prophet]

The pulpit was lined,  inside, with bullet proof glass.  I refinished it once before we made the first new one for the new auditirium. 
    Dr. Hyles  suffered from the insecurity of the fatherlessness of his childhood.  He was effeminate in his emotions.  He looked to women for strength, and put them in positions over men, creating much chaos at fbch. I think this to be a factor in his paranoia of the assassination attempt.  Boldness and cowardice don't dwell together well, and he really was a coward. 
    The bulet-proofed pulpit was a great example. 
    Regardless of his emotional issues, he used the percieved threat to manipulate people.  He used current events to manipulate people.  He told lopsided stories, to manipulate people.  Linda uses a very familiar pattern, in the TED speech.  Very familiar. 

Anishinabe

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=prophet]    Dr. Hyles  suffered from the insecurity of the fatherlessness of his childhood.  He was effeminate in his emotions.  He looked to women for strength, and put them in positions over men, creating much chaos at fbch. I think this to be a factor in his paranoia of the assassination attempt.[/quote]

 

[Just John]

Um.....  No......  Blue Denim and Lace was not about child rearing.  It was more personal philosophy, Bible reasoning and prose and devotionals.  You must be thinking about How to Rear Children (or Infants or Teens).  Check your facts before you use them.

I would invite you to read Chapter 46 of BLUE DENIM AND LACE titled "REARING CHILDREN". I know my facts. I read this 35 years ago in high school and laughed then too.

As an outsider looking in, this must be hard to understand.  However, those who understand the system get what I am saying.  Bro. Hyles would tell the minions he wanted to have a big day.  The minions would go to their ministries and challenge their underlings.  The underlings lay the pressure on the HACker.  The HACker needs to perform to get the notoriety and escape the scorn.  The HACker does not make up numbers, but does some fuzzy math and prays with people who did not really understand to get a count.  The count is turned in to the underling who reports to the minion who reports to the preacher.  Preacher reports the total number.  It is a flawed system.  I get it.  But especially in his latter years, the minions ran the place beyond his control.

Everyone else knew this but Hyles? And "Hyles wanted the big day". Yes, I am an outsider but I have read the FFF faithfully for the last 12 years and can't count the times I've read stories of kids going through baptism lines two or three times....in just one weekend, to get goodies and multiple times of exaggerated counts...in parks and other places counted as "Sunday School". It would seem to me that they were giving Hyles what he wanted, his "big day" and seems a bunch of people knew what was going on but he never did? Yes, I am cynical. This is the problem when churches are predicated on "numbers". I may be a bit less of an outsider than some. I was close friends with Jim Vineyards stepson who graduated from school there (and who knew Dave Hyles quite well). I went to a big Baptist church and school clone of all-things Hyle on the west coast that practiced some of the same nonsense.

Like I said, you may be right.  However, you can't take away some of the real threats that actually happened.  Security developed after the arson at his home. 

Cool to have those guys around?  The most disrespected group of Barney Fife's ever assembled (and that's an insult to Barney Fife - this group made Barney look like 007)?  This group was incapable of getting hired by a real employer and got convinced they were performing a sacred mission of protecting their preacher by their scamming leader who got his jollies to a poster of the Little Mermaid and led his hench-dweebs (they certainly were not men) to be just as twisted. What exactly could this "coterie of bodyguards" do?  Now YOU sound like a HACker because only a real HACker had any respect for that group - and only a few of them!

They couldn't ALL be that bad because SherryH's husband was one and I'm sure that's not the case with him.

I have no respect or disrespect of his security staff. I said "I'm sure it's pretty cool to have the coterie of bodyguards to do whatever needed at times". If his security staff is typical of many, if not most ad hoc security teams they also served as glorified go-fers and hired help which is likely the case given your comments.

 

[Just John]

The pulpit was lined,  inside, with bullet proof glass.  I refinished it once before we made the first new one for the new auditirium. 
    Dr. Hyles  suffered from the insecurity of the fatherlessness of his childhood.  He was effeminate in his emotions.  He looked to women for strength, and put them in positions over men, creating much chaos at fbch. I think this to be a factor in his paranoia of the assassination attempt.  Boldness and cowardice don't dwell together well, and he really was a coward. 
    The bulet-proofed pulpit was a great example. 
    Regardless of his emotional issues, he used the percieved threat to manipulate people.  He used current events to manipulate people.  He told lopsided stories, to manipulate people.  Linda uses a very familiar pattern, in the TED speech.  Very familiar. 

Anishinabe

You make my point. Hyles was manipulative and in doing so he was dishonest. Yet people are much more prone to believe him than his daughter because she "embellished" what seems to be some non-material, tertiary issues.

And just because the pulpit was lead-lined doesn't mean the stories he told were true. Did the FBI really tell him what he claims? Did the alleged satanic guy on the plane really exist, much less say what he supposedly said? Did the guy really have a $65,000 contract on Hyles? Was there an investigation? An arrest? Certainly the gunman who "got under conviction during the sermon and saved that night" would have testified who was going to pay the $65,000! IMO all this is a bunch of nonsense (embellishment) to burnish his popularity and importance to the IFB world. And his narcissism.

 

[myeyesareopen]

FBC Seguridad (Bro Freddy's Security Detail)

 

[qwerty]

So Linda told a smaller lie, so it's all good.

It was bullet proof glass, not lead lined.  But a lead lined pulpit was discussed to prevent potential radiation poisoning by the KGB. ^-^

 

[Just John]

So Linda told a smaller lie, so it's all good.

It was bullet proof glass, not lead lined.  But a lead lined pulpit was discussed to prevent potential radiation poisoning by the KGB. ^-^

No, the point being is that the bashers of Linda Hyles are more particular about HER embellishment than Jack's.

But yes, there are degrees of untruths. That's for another thread perhaps.

 

[qwerty]

So Linda told a smaller lie, so it's all good.

It was bullet proof glass, not lead lined.  But a lead lined pulpit was discussed to prevent potential radiation poisoning by the KGB. ^-^

No, the point being is that the bashers of Linda Hyles are more particular about HER embellishment than Jack's.

But yes, there are degrees of untruths. That's for another thread perhaps.

I haven't heard Jack embellishing anything for awhile now. Think he had been laying low.

 

[BALAAM]

So Linda told a smaller lie, so it's all good.

It was bullet proof glass, not lead lined.  But a lead lined pulpit was discussed to prevent potential radiation poisoning by the KGB. ^-^

No, the point being is that the bashers of Linda Hyles are more particular about HER embellishment than Jack's.

But yes, there are degrees of untruths. That's for another thread perhaps.

I haven't heard Jack embellishing anything for awhile now. Think he had been laying low.

Actually, if you visit the mausoleum, I think he is laying at eye level!!!!! ;D

 

[qwerty]

So Linda told a smaller lie, so it's all good.

It was bullet proof glass, not lead lined.  But a lead lined pulpit was discussed to prevent potential radiation poisoning by the KGB. ^-^

No, the point being is that the bashers of Linda Hyles are more particular about HER embellishment than Jack's.

But yes, there are degrees of untruths. That's for another thread perhaps.

I haven't heard Jack embellishing anything for awhile now. Think he had been laying low.

Actually, if you visit the mausoleum, I think he is laying at eye level!!!!! ;D

Just about.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Um.....  No......  Blue Denim and Lace was not about child rearing.  It was more personal philosophy, Bible reasoning and prose and devotionals.  You must be thinking about How to Rear Children (or Infants or Teens).  Check your facts before you use them.

I would invite you to read Chapter 46 of BLUE DENIM AND LACE titled "REARING CHILDREN". I know my facts. I read this 35 years ago in high school and laughed then too.

Okay.  Like 7 pages, most of which are letters, and like 8 points.  Again, more personal philosophy.  However, you are right, he did right books on child rearing.

As an outsider looking in, this must be hard to understand.  However, those who understand the system get what I am saying.  Bro. Hyles would tell the minions he wanted to have a big day.  The minions would go to their ministries and challenge their underlings.  The underlings lay the pressure on the HACker.  The HACker needs to perform to get the notoriety and escape the scorn.  The HACker does not make up numbers, but does some fuzzy math and prays with people who did not really understand to get a count.  The count is turned in to the underling who reports to the minion who reports to the preacher.  Preacher reports the total number.  It is a flawed system.  I get it.  But especially in his latter years, the minions ran the place beyond his control.

Everyone else knew this but Hyles? And "Hyles wanted the big day". Yes, I am an outsider but I have read the FFF faithfully for the last 12 years and can't count the times I've read stories of kids going through baptism lines two or three times....in just one weekend, to get goodies and multiple times of exaggerated counts...in parks and other places counted as "Sunday School". It would seem to me that they were giving Hyles what he wanted, his "big day" and seems a bunch of people knew what was going on but he never did? Yes, I am cynical. This is the problem when churches are predicated on "numbers". I may be a bit less of an outsider than some. I was close friends with Jim Vineyards stepson who graduated from school there (and who knew Dave Hyles quite well). I went to a big Baptist church and school clone of all-things Hyle on the west coast that practiced some of the same nonsense.

I am not stating that this was a perfect system.  The system was flawed.  The leader of a flawed system must accept some blame.  But to assume JH himself was running those kids through the line just to get candy or even himself promoted such is just wrong.  What you are describing is the result of a flawed system that I previously outlined.  By the time I was old enough to know which way is up, JH was a figurehead who preached in the service.  We never saw him outside of the pulpit (Yes, this is a bad way to pastor and I would guess such disposition also led to stress at home).  I stress again, the minions ran the place with the goal of earning preacher's favor and often promoted or pressured to get numbers which resulted in bogus junk taking place.

Like I said, you may be right.  However, you can't take away some of the real threats that actually happened.  Security developed after the arson at his home. 

Cool to have those guys around?  The most disrespected group of Barney Fife's ever assembled (and that's an insult to Barney Fife - this group made Barney look like 007)?  This group was incapable of getting hired by a real employer and got convinced they were performing a sacred mission of protecting their preacher by their scamming leader who got his jollies to a poster of the Little Mermaid and led his hench-dweebs (they certainly were not men) to be just as twisted. What exactly could this "coterie of bodyguards" do?  Now YOU sound like a HACker because only a real HACker had any respect for that group - and only a few of them!

They couldn't ALL be that bad because SherryH's husband was one and I'm sure that's not the case with him.

I have no respect or disrespect of his security staff. I said "I'm sure it's pretty cool to have the coterie of bodyguards to do whatever needed at times". If his security staff is typical of many, if not most ad hoc security teams they also served as glorified go-fers and hired help which is likely the case given your comments.

I have no idea who SherryH is, though she seems quite polite and pleasant to everybody on the forum.  It appears that she and her husband were in HAC during the 80's?  Maybe security was different back then.  By the 90's, it was rotten to the core.  Wait, I knew like 4 guys who were decent people who did short stints in security during that decade.

 

[Sherryh]

Binaca Chugger, It makes me sad to know that security went down hill. Back in the 70-80's security had some of the best of the best as far as people were concerned. Thank you for your kind words..............

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Binaca Chugger, It makes me sad to know that security went down hill. Back in the 70-80's security had some of the best of the best as far as people were concerned. Thank you for your kind words..............

Seriously - nothing personal against you or your husband personally.  In the 90's, that group was filled with pompous, arrogant perverts who believed sexual harassment was their right.  I get that much of FBCH was different in the 70's and 80's from the 90's and apparently even after that.

 

[Just John]

Um.....  No......  Blue Denim and Lace was not about child rearing.  It was more personal philosophy, Bible reasoning and prose and devotionals.  You must be thinking about How to Rear Children (or Infants or Teens).  Check your facts before you use them.

I would invite you to read Chapter 46 of BLUE DENIM AND LACE titled "REARING CHILDREN". I know my facts. I read this 35 years ago in high school and laughed then too.

Okay.  Like 7 pages, most of which are letters, and like 8 points.  Again, more personal philosophy.  However, you are right, he did right books on child rearing.

As an outsider looking in, this must be hard to understand.  However, those who understand the system get what I am saying.  Bro. Hyles would tell the minions he wanted to have a big day.  The minions would go to their ministries and challenge their underlings.  The underlings lay the pressure on the HACker.  The HACker needs to perform to get the notoriety and escape the scorn.  The HACker does not make up numbers, but does some fuzzy math and prays with people who did not really understand to get a count.  The count is turned in to the underling who reports to the minion who reports to the preacher.  Preacher reports the total number.  It is a flawed system.  I get it.  But especially in his latter years, the minions ran the place beyond his control.

Everyone else knew this but Hyles? And "Hyles wanted the big day". Yes, I am an outsider but I have read the FFF faithfully for the last 12 years and can't count the times I've read stories of kids going through baptism lines two or three times....in just one weekend, to get goodies and multiple times of exaggerated counts...in parks and other places counted as "Sunday School". It would seem to me that they were giving Hyles what he wanted, his "big day" and seems a bunch of people knew what was going on but he never did? Yes, I am cynical. This is the problem when churches are predicated on "numbers". I may be a bit less of an outsider than some. I was close friends with Jim Vineyards stepson who graduated from school there (and who knew Dave Hyles quite well). I went to a big Baptist church and school clone of all-things Hyle on the west coast that practiced some of the same nonsense.

I am not stating that this was a perfect system.  The system was flawed.  The leader of a flawed system must accept some blame.  But to assume JH himself was running those kids through the line just to get candy or even himself promoted such is just wrong.  What you are describing is the result of a flawed system that I previously outlined.  By the time I was old enough to know which way is up, JH was a figurehead who preached in the service.  We never saw him outside of the pulpit (Yes, this is a bad way to pastor and I would guess such disposition also led to stress at home).  I stress again, the minions ran the place with the goal of earning preacher's favor and often promoted or pressured to get numbers which resulted in bogus junk taking place.

Like I said, you may be right.  However, you can't take away some of the real threats that actually happened.  Security developed after the arson at his home. 

Cool to have those guys around?  The most disrespected group of Barney Fife's ever assembled (and that's an insult to Barney Fife - this group made Barney look like 007)?  This group was incapable of getting hired by a real employer and got convinced they were performing a sacred mission of protecting their preacher by their scamming leader who got his jollies to a poster of the Little Mermaid and led his hench-dweebs (they certainly were not men) to be just as twisted. What exactly could this "coterie of bodyguards" do?  Now YOU sound like a HACker because only a real HACker had any respect for that group - and only a few of them!

They couldn't ALL be that bad because SherryH's husband was one and I'm sure that's not the case with him.

I have no respect or disrespect of his security staff. I said "I'm sure it's pretty cool to have the coterie of bodyguards to do whatever needed at times". If his security staff is typical of many, if not most ad hoc security teams they also served as glorified go-fers and hired help which is likely the case given your comments.

I have no idea who SherryH is, though she seems quite polite and pleasant to everybody on the forum.  It appears that she and her husband were in HAC during the 80's?  Maybe security was different back then.  By the 90's, it was rotten to the core.  Wait, I knew like 4 guys who were decent people who did short stints in security during that decade.

Now that we seem to agree on most of the points I brought up I want to say categorically I do not believe Hyles was running these kids through the baptism line multiple times or giving away candy. But I do have a hard time believing he did not know these type of things were not happening and turning a blind eye. When you bill yourself as "the world's largest Sunday school" there must be some kind of pressure or at least intent to keep that title.  Again, the failure of numbers-based mentality as I'm sure you agree. I went to one of the biggest churches in the country but the only numbers I ever heard discussed from the pulpit were the number of Salvations and baptisms.  And that wasn't a regular thing like a notch in the gun. Typically like Easter or Christmas. 

 

[RAIDER]

A life coach that gets stage fright?

Now that is funny.

Now that's a good one!! 

 

[babusiness]

Just curious, I am new.  I am in business and was wondering why Beverly Hyles is now a Southern Baptist.  I found this site on the internet today:

http://beverlyhylessouthernbaptistteacher.info

It appears that no one has noticed that she does not follow her late husband.  I found what this site tells very revealing.  Any comments?

 

[16KJV11]

Just curious, I am new.  I am in business and was wondering why Beverly Hyles is now a Southern Baptist.  I found this site on the internet today:

http://beverlyhylessouthernbaptistteacher.info

It appears that no one has noticed that she does not follow her late husband.  I found what this site tells very revealing.  Any comments?

Many of us have noticed.
It's old news from many moons ago.
There were several threads dealing with this on the old FFF.

 

[abp]

Just curious, I am new.  I am in business and was wondering why Beverly Hyles is now a Southern Baptist.  I found this site on the internet today:

http://beverlyhylessouthernbaptistteacher.info

It appears that no one has noticed that she does not follow her late husband.  I found what this site tells very revealing.  Any comments

Good! She knew which side her bread was buttered on. She took her chance to get out of dodge, her church choice shows what she thought of the IFBX movement. Flush

That site is run by a bitter wackjob

 

[RAIDER]

Just curious, I am new.  I am in business and was wondering why Beverly Hyles is now a Southern Baptist.  I found this site on the internet today:

http://beverlyhylessouthernbaptistteacher.info

It appears that no one has noticed that she does not follow her late husband.  I found what this site tells very revealing.  Any comments?

This has been a mystery to many of us.  She left Hammond and moved to Texas to be with one of her daughters.  This was a minor shock and perhaps understandable.  Mrs. Hyles attending a SB church was a major shock.

I have to agree with Honey Badger about the bitterness of the website.

 

[Just John]

Just curious, I am new.  I am in business and was wondering why Beverly Hyles is now a Southern Baptist.  I found this site on the internet today:

http://beverlyhylessouthernbaptistteacher.info

It appears that no one has noticed that she does not follow her late husband.  I found what this site tells very revealing.  Any comments?

This has been a mystery to many of us.  She left Hammond and moved to Texas to be with one of her daughters.  This was a minor shock and perhaps understandable.  Mrs. Hyles attending a SB church was a major shock.

I have to agree with Honey Badger about the bitterness of the website.

Yeah, the guys seems to be a quite the wack job.

He refers to Hyles as "the leader of the Indepentent Baptist movement in America". Now he no doubt had a big following but it's kind of an oxymoron to say the "independents" have a "leader". And if that is too much splitting hairs for some then there were multiple others who could also be considered "leaders" and still others in the IFB who had no love for Hyles or didn't know who he was. Saying Hyles is the  "the leader of the Indepentent Baptist movement in America" is like saying "Jesse Jackson is the leader of the black community in America".

And to infer that First Baptist Church of Dallas is "liberal" is laughable. This is the church of course where Criswell preached forever and Rice printed his sermons in the SOTL, Southern Baptist notwithstanding. This is the same church now pastored by Robert Jeffress who has had his share of public criticism and mockery for his conservative stances.