The Free Will Challenge

[Ransom]

Pencilneck: Calvin believed in infant baptismal regeneration. It says so in the Institutes.
Me: [quotes several passages from the Institutes saying the opposite]
Pencilneck: Duh, I don't study Calvin, argle bargle rarr.

Well, if nothing else, I hope someone else was edified by Calvin's good theology.

 

[Baptist Renegade]

Hey lame brain I don’t study Calvin I study Jesus and what the Apostles taught, and since Calvin was not an Apostle he is insignificant as far as anyone wanting to grow in the Lord is concerned. See anyone can act 6 and call names, lol.

You sir are the one making the charge that Calvin teaches "Baptismal Regeneration" and when Ransom gives you evidence to the contrary, from the actual source you cited, you insult him and say "I DON'T STUDY CALVIN?"

Do you not see your inconsistency?

 

[Leatherneck0311]

I am not so sure Calvi

Is that why you had to lie about what he believed?

Speaking of lamebrains. You might as well try to educate a yeast infection.

Still not sure Calvinism did not believe in baptismal regeneration still reading his twisting of scripture and splitting of hairs in his institutes.

 

[Leatherneck0311]

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You sir are the one making the charge that Calvin teaches "Baptismal Regeneration" and when Ransom gives you evidence to the contrary, from the actual source you cited, you insult him and say "I DON'T STUDY CALVIN?"

Do you not see your inconsistency?

Nope, I don’t study a dead Roman Catholic theologian, and that is not inconsistent that is the truth. Calvin screwed up election so bad he hasn’t convinced anyone but those who place a man’s teaching at odds and above scripture. Rom 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel ofChrist: for it is the power ofGod unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jewfirst, and also to the Greek.

 

[ALAYMAN]

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Nope, I don’t study a dead Roman Catholic theologian, and that is not inconsistent that is the truth. Calvin screwed up election so bad he hasn’t convinced anyone but those who place a man’s teaching at odds and above scripture. Rom 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel ofChrist: for it is the power ofGod unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jewfirst, and also to the Greek.

In what sense (what is your proof) do you claim Calvin was a Roman Catholic as a theologian?

By 1527, when no more than eighteen, Calvin's education was complete in its main lines. He had learned to be a humanist and a reformer. The "sudden conversion" to a spiritual life in 1529, of which he speaks, must not be taken quite literally. He had never been an ardent Catholic; Link

 

[Leatherneck0311]

In what sense (what is your proof) do you claim Calvin was a Roman Catholic as a theologian?

Calvin was never baptized as a believer he believed his baptism as an infant was sufficient. He had many that did not buy into his errors murdered , which is typical for those trapped in the errors of Rome. Calvin equated being married to the church not Christ and called the church mother. Calvin said: What God has thus joined, let not man put asunder (Mark 10:9): to those to whom he is a Father, the Church must also be a mother. https://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes/institutes.vi.xv.html

 

[Ransom]

Still not sure Calvinism did not believe in baptismal regeneration

If you're not sure, then saying he believed in it is still a lie.

He had many that did not buy into his errors murdered , which is typical for those trapped in the errors of Rome.

This also is a lie.

 

[Leatherneck0311]

If you're not sure, then saying he believed in it is still a lie.

This also is a lie.

I am not sure called a lie is only a lie to defend your pope. Obviously you don’t know as much about your pope as you think because Calvin was the reason for many people being murdered that disagreed with him. The Roman Catholic Church taught him well.

 

[Ransom]

I am not sure called a lie is only a lie to defend your pope.

When you don't know what So-and-so believed, but you say he believed this or that, that makes you a liar--even if, by accident, you happen to be correct.

When you say So-and-so did things that he didn't do, that also makes you a liar.

Where does the Bible say liars go, Leatherneck? Be warned.

 

[Leatherneck0311]

When you don't know what So-and-so believed, but you say he believed this or that, that makes you a liar--even if, by accident, you happen to be correct.

When you say So-and-so did things that he didn't do, that also makes you a liar.

Where does the Bible say liars go, Leatherneck? Be warned.

Why do you defend Calvin when it’s historical fact that he was the reason many were killed because they disagreed with his errors ? Be warned defending evil is evil.

 

[Baptist Renegade]

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Nope, I don’t study a dead Roman Catholic theologian, and that is not inconsistent that is the truth. Calvin screwed up election so bad he hasn’t convinced anyone but those who place a man’s teaching at odds and above scripture. Rom 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel ofChrist: for it is the power ofGod unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jewfirst, and also to the Greek.

How does Romans 1:16 contradict Calvinism? The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth. Everyone who believes are also the Elect! To those who are not elect (them that perish - 1 Cor 1:18), the Gospel is foolishness to them.

I don't study Calvin either. What I believe comes from my conclusion through honest study of the scriptures yet rabid anti-Calvinists INSIST I look at the writings of Calvin so they can "Refute" Calvinism! I am guessing it is because they cannot refute Calvinism with scripture!

What I would like to see is a "Free Willy" making a case not against Calvinism but a case FOR WHAT THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE! So many rabid Anti-Calvinists intent on refuting Calvinism probably don't even know what they really believe.

Just like the rabid Trump Haters - "Orange man BAD!"

 

[Ransom]

Why do you defend Calvin when it’s historical fact that he was the reason many were killed because they disagreed with his errors ? Be warned defending evil is evil.

Why do you keep making assertions without evidence, which is just another way you are a liar?

 

[Leatherneck0311]

How does Romans 1:16 contradict Calvinism? The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth. Everyone who believes are also the Elect! To those who are not elect (them that perish - 1 Cor 1:18), the Gospel is foolishness to them.

I don't study Calvin either. What I believe comes from my conclusion through honest study of the scriptures yet rabid anti-Calvinists INSIST I look at the writings of Calvin so they can "Refute" Calvinism! I am guessing it is because they cannot refute Calvinism with scripture!

What I would like to see is a "Free Willy" making a case not against Calvinism but a case FOR WHAT THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE! So many rabid Anti-Calvinists intent on refuting Calvinism probably don't even know what they really believe.

Just like the rabid Trump Haters - "Orange man BAD!"

The scripture I quoted does not say the elect are saved it says those that believe are saved. You added your belief to that scripture that which it does NOT say, and scripture has a warning against doing that. Stop forcing all of scripture through and into a few verses in Romans.

 

[Leatherneck0311]

Why do you keep making assertions without evidence, which is just another way you are a liar?

You are a liar for IGNORING history because you follow a man with Roman Catholic tendencies. Your loss not mine. I don’t have a pope I have a High Priest named Jesus.

 

[Ransom]

and scripture has a warning against doing that

It's also got a warning against liars, and that hasn't stopped you so far.

 

[Baptist Renegade]

The scripture I quoted does not say the elect are saved it says those that believe are saved. You added your belief to that scripture that which it does NOT say, and scripture has a warning against doing that. Stop forcing all of scripture through and into a few verses in Romans.

Now you are tempting me to talk to you like Ransom and call you a Nimrod or something else!

Go and do a word study on the word "Elect" that is used 17 times in the King James translation and tell me what it means.

 

[Ransom]

You are a liar for IGNORING history

It's only reasonable to ignore history that comes from proven liars like you.

because you follow a man with Roman Catholic tendencies.

The only "Roman Catholic tendency" you have asserted was baptismal regeneration. You were proven a liar.

Your loss not mine.

There's no loss in not believing your lies, liar.

I don’t have a pope I have a High Priest named Jesus.

By implying I have a "pope," you are again a liar. Liars go to hell, and the people whose high priest is Jesus will rejoice at the justice. So unless you repent, good riddance.

 

[Leatherneck0311]

Now you are tempting me to talk to you like Ransom and call you a Nimrod or something else!

Go and do a word study on the word "Elect" that is used 17 times in the King James translation and tell me what it means.

I believe in biblical election not the perversion of Calvinism election.—>

1Pe 1:2 - Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit,unto obedience andsprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you,and peace, be multiplied. FYI, there is no heavenly lottery that some hit and some don’t . Romans 10:13 says for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Notice the absence of Calvinist qualifiers in Romans 10:13,John 3:16,and Revelation 22:17 plus many more ?

 

[Leatherneck0311]

It's only reasonable to ignore history that comes from proven liars like you.



The only "Roman Catholic tendency" you have asserted was baptismal regeneration. You were proven a liar.



There's no loss in not believing your lies, liar.



By implying I have a "pope," you are again a liar. Liars go to hell, and the people whose high priest is Jesus will rejoice at the justice. So unless you repent, good riddance.

I am not the one following and naming myself after Calvin that would be you. How some violate scripture with no conscience.~~~>

1Co 1:12 - Now this I say,that every one of you saith, Iam of Paul; and I of Apollos;and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

1Co 1:13 - Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? Yet you name yourself after anyone other than Christ.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Calvin was never baptized as a believer he believed his baptism as an infant was sufficient. He had many that did not buy into his errors murdered , which is typical for those trapped in the errors of Rome. Calvin equated being married to the church not Christ and called the church mother. Calvin said: What God has thus joined, let not man put asunder (Mark 10:9): to those to whom he is a Father, the Church must also be a mother. https://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes/institutes.vi.xv.html

Several Protestant denominations (non Catholic) believe in paedobaptism (and that it doesn’t wash away original sin).

Several other of your charges against Calvin (who I don’t have great affinity for) are spurious (questionable). In some cases, like your misunderstanding of his beliefs on baptismal regeneration, you are not understanding how his use of “mother” as it relates to Church ain’t the same sense as Roman Catholics view salvation through only the RC church.