- Joined
- Jan 27, 2012
- Messages
- 8,858
- Reaction score
- 845
- Points
- 113
According to Stanley, you just disqualified yourself from being invited to the conversation with that radically harmful use of hate speech.Does anyone know what the middle ground is on Sodomy?
Maybe it left the station awhile ago.
"Goin' off the rails on the Crazy Train..."Yeah, Stanley's been going off the rails for years.
"Goin' off the rails on the Crazy Train..."
Where's the fun in THAT???....The Mrs. and I will likely be riding the bike around since part of the reason for the trip is to connect with fellow CMA members from various places, so, we'll likely show up on the Goldwing wearing our CMA colors. Don't worry. We aren't going to show up looking like scruffy bikers. We're thinking slacks and conservative polo shirts which have the CMA logo on them.
I just had a conversation with a good fundamental family (connections to PCC) recently who has a godly (fundamentalist) loved one that is a shut-in who they care for. She watches Sunday morning preachers for her "church" and preaching. The list of TV preachers they listen to on Sunday morning included Charles Stanley (not exactly my cup of tea, but nothing doctrinally wrong with Dr Stanley, rest his soul). So in just making conversation with them I said Charles was fine, but if they ever come across Andy they should run fast and far from that channel. They didn't have a clue who he was, as is often the case with these famous preachers. They influence many people for sure, but most older folk could not care less about the popularity contest of evangelical American Christianity, thank goodness.
I know you well enough that you wouldn’t pull anything spiritually petty.Trust me, I'm horribly tempted to flaunt my liberty at PCC. However, the Holy Spirit will likely put a load of conviction on me if I do. No, we're not going to deny what we are but then again, we're not going to make a case out of it. Inasmuch as we can be who we are and not rock the boat, we'll do that. I want to leave the crew there with a good impression of what we are and what we represent.
.
I once visited his church in Alpharetta, here in the Atlanta area. I was used to more "churchy" churches. So I showed up in a three piece suit. Everyone else was seemingly in shorts and sandals. I stood out enough that people knew I wasn't a regular. I had a woman come up to me in a halter top. While she was nice to me and welcomed me, I wasn't impressed. The service was more of a performance than a service. Between the LOUD rock music and the ACTUAL strobing light going around and around I was put in a mood not to be surprised when I saw a man come out in blue jeans. That was Andy Stanley. I don't remember at all what he spoke about but I do remember the atmosphere, along with the money changers in the bookstore.
If one's goal in leading a church is the edification of the saints, then it isn't necessary to have a large church and one can have a small group of people where they kneel themselves in prayer and supplication and with the study of the scriptures. And it isn't necessary to alter the scriptures in order to affect the attendance. Because a large attendance isn't the main objective.
On the other hand, if one's goal is to exchange money in the temple, to have large coffers of money and a large overhead, then it's necessary to have a large group of people. And so, it doesn't surprise me that in our culture today as everything is so disobedient to the teaching of the Bible, that it's necessary for the clergy to begin to say that "no, the Bible doesn't really say that" . . ."We've misunderstood all these years, what the Bible is saying".
The Bible says what it says (whether one likes it or not) and one would do well not to attempt to alter its meaning. I know you don't expect one such as me to say this but this is what I believe. One would do well to find a small church where its goal is the study of the Bible and the edification of the church.
.
.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.I know you well enough that you wouldn’t pull anything spiritually petty.
I wasn’t absolutely sure at first, but I prayed about it.Thanks for the vote of confidence.
I wanted to hear what Greg Koukl had to say but I either need to download player.fm app or open a chrome browser. Neither of which I'll do.Greg Koukl & Alan Shlemon - both of STR - discuss Stanley's Unconditional Conference (Shlemon attended to get a first-hand account).
Interview: Alan Shlemon – Concerns about the Unconditional Conference
Greg talks to Alan Shlemon, who attended the Unconditional Conference at Andy Stanley’s church, about the good and bad of what was taught there, how those who promote pro-gay theology viewed the conference, Alan’s concerns, Andy Stanley’s sermon explaining his position, etc. Topics: <ol...player.fm
I'm sure you can find the podcast wherever STR podcasts are available.I wanted to hear what Greg Koukl had to say but I either need to download player.fm app or open a chrome browser. Neither of which I'll do.
I'm sure you can find the podcast wherever STR podcasts are available.
True datI'm sure you can find the podcast wherever STR podcasts are available.