All Feelings Are Valid

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Many psychologists teach/believe all of a person’s feelings are valid. From a Scriptural viewpoint, does this mesh? I doubt there are any specific verses one could point to for this topic, but from a larger POV, does this mentality align?
 
Were Amnon's feelings for Tamar in 2 Samuel 13 valid?
 
"Be angry and do not sin" (Eph 4:26) implies there's a sinful--and hence invalid--way to be angry.
 
Were Amnon's feelings for Tamar in 2 Samuel 13 valid?
His actions weren’t valid, but I have no idea about his feelings. Perhaps to first answer your question, we need to separate feelings from emotions and moods.

 
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"Be angry and do not sin" (Eph 4:26) implies there's a sinful--and hence invalid--way to be angry.
But It continues by stating not to let the sun go down while angry. It’s not saying, literally, not to be angry, but rather not to harbor that anger.
 
His actions weren’t valid, but I have no idea about his feelings.
Verse 15 [After violating Tamar] Then Amnon hated Tamar with such intensity that his hatred was greater than the love he previously had. “Get up!” he said to her. “Be gone!”
 
Many psychologists teach/believe all of a person’s feelings are valid. From a Scriptural viewpoint, does this mesh? I doubt there are any specific verses one could point to for this topic, but from a larger POV, does this mentality align?
many psychologists?....... what psychologist have you counselled with that told you that?.....

i have been in counselling and therapy with professional phd level psychologists on a regular basis since i was a preteen.... my sister also has a phd in psychology.. .none of them have ever told me that every feeling i ever had was valid.. . in fact - to the contrary - every one of them has at one time or another applied a cutting torch to some of the "feelings" i was having and straightened me out..... ...

as in all professions there is a wide variety of beliefs and opinions within psychology and among psychologists... .... the ones i know don;t even like using the words related to feel or feeling... unless there is no better word... or unless they are talking about something specific like a pain or physical sensation.... and unlike those for whom psychology is nothing more than an academic study - they have all experienced the real world well enough to understand it... and to understand what scripture says about human "feelings"....


jeremiah 17-9 .... the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

feel - feeling - and feelings ..plus all derivatives and variations of those words, are words that have become horrendously over used in the modern age.... at one time in history you "felt" something when you laid your hands on it and got a palpated sense of what it was.... . but now days the words feel - felt - and feeling are used to described everything from a pain in the belly... to an emotion... a passing fancy or infatuation... a scientific theory or even a fervent religious belief.....

in the past - specific wording and detailed descriptions once made communicating in english much more precise than it is today..... english was not even my first language or the one i use most often certain days... and i can see that ...pseudo-psychologists both christian and secular have only added to the confusion....
 
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many psychologists?....... what psychologist have you counselled with that told you that?
Glad you chimed in. I don’t think it would be proper to name a specific psychologist or counselor, nor would I ever ask the name of yours, but yes, I’ve heard this in person. Moreover, it’s widely available at the click of a mouse, even from more well known publications such as Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...r-feelings-are-valid-because-we-feel-them?amp
in fact - to the contrary - every one of them has at one time or another applied a cutting torch to some of the "feelings" i was having and straightened me out.
Are we conflating feelings with emotions and moods? (See post to ABC above).
feel - feeling - and feelings ..plus all derivatives and variations of those words, are words that have become horrendously over used in the modern age.... at one time in history you "felt" something when you laid your hands on it and got a palpated sense of what it was.... . but now days the words feel - felt - and feeling are used to described everything from a pain in the belly... to an emotion... a passing fancy or infatuation... a scientific theory or even a fervent religious belief.
I’m a little confused by your correlation here between the contexts of the word today versus yesteryear. Word meanings change over time. If I walk up to a big biker at a bar and tell him he looks gay today, he won’t assume I mean he looks like he’s in a happy mood.
 
Glad you chimed in. I don’t think it would be proper to name a specific psychologist or counselor, nor would I ever ask the name of yours, but yes, I’ve heard this in person. Moreover, it’s widely available at the click of a mouse, even from more well known publications such as Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...r-feelings-are-valid-because-we-feel-them?amp

Are we conflating feelings with emotions and moods? (See post to ABC above).

I’m a little confused by your correlation here between the contexts of the word today versus yesteryear. Word meanings change over time. If I walk up to a big biker at a bar and tell him he looks gay today, he won’t assume I mean he looks like he’s in a happy mood.
don;t try playing your barrack room lawyer games with me..... you completely ignored parts of my post where i already adressed the questions you bring up in this one...... . and speak for yourself.... you might be conflating all kinds of things in your pontifications here.. but i haven;t conflated or confused anything..... it;s the people who have thrown too many things under one banner word of "feelings" that have done that...... ..

and no... i am not talking about a word that was misapplied and changed from one thing to another.... like the word gay.... i;m talking about the word "feeling" becoming something in christendon like the word dakine has become in hawaii.... a cheap catchall that gives lazy people an out when they don;t want to make proper use of better vocabulary....

you might be glad i "chimed" in ... but you will need a lot more than a reference to an article written by a paranoid schizophrenic... (allie burke)... who i am familiar with..disagree with often... and have great respect for none the less .. but who studied psychology as a method of self discovery and writes about it today as a method of self therapy... . but if my sister i spoke of... who was once a frequent contributor to the forum... ever decided to "chime in".. you might not find it so enjoyable.... ..she has little use for the progressive rag known as "psychology today".... and practically no respect for it...

by the way.... what happened to your concern about having warnings posted before putting up a video or article containing "profanity"?.... .i saw at least one word right off the bat when i read it, that i know use to give fundamentalists the shivers.... but i guess times change as well as the words - don;t they?.... ;)
 
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I doubt I will contribute to this thread anymore than this simple thought, but my 2 cents…

All feelings are objectively true, but not all feelings correspond appropriately to reality and truth.
 
don;t try playing your barrack room lawyer games with me..... you completely ignored parts of my post where i already adressed the questions you bring up in this one.
No intentions of playing games. I must be missing your answers. I cannot accept anecdotal evidence from your sister as evidence, although I don’t doubt your veracity.
i;m talking about the word "feeling" becoming something in christendon like the word dakine has become in hawaii.
I think this is the root of our problem. You’re applying the word from a linguistic perspective, while I’m referring to it as an innate experience.
you might be glad i "chimed" in ... but you will need a lot more than a reference to an article written by a paranoid schizophrenic... (allie burke)
I figured it was a lose-lose situation regardless of whom I quoted, but I knew Psychology Today has a recognizable name, rather than quoting nameless psychologists from a garden variety of blogs.
by the way.... what happened to your concern about having warnings posted before putting up a video or article containing "profanity"?
I didn’t see any profanity. Feel free to correct me. I guess I touched a nerve with the Trump speech….
 
I doubt I will contribute to this thread anymore than this simple thought, but my 2 cents…

All feelings are objectively true, but not all feelings correspond appropriately to reality and truth.
I agree. We all might have certain thoughts, but acting on those thoughts is the difference between sane and insane, sinning and not sinning, etc.
 
No intentions of playing games. I must be missing your answers. I cannot accept anecdotal evidence from your sister as evidence, although I don’t doubt your veracity.

I think this is the root of our problem. You’re applying the word from a linguistic perspective, while I’m referring to it as an innate experience.

I figured it was a lose-lose situation regardless of whom I quoted, but I knew Psychology Today has a recognizable name, rather than quoting nameless psychologists from a garden variety of blogs.

I didn’t see any profanity. Feel free to correct me. I guess I touched a nerve with the Trump speech….
what you did with the trump speech was a cheap shot .... an attempt to deflect criticism of the way you parroted main stream medias yellow spin on what trump actually said without even watching the actual speech yourself.. .you brushed it off by pointing to the red herring of a few bad words in his speech after i posted it.......... ..

and then you threw another cheap shot with your last post in that same thread saying "i guess loyalty blinds people to the truth"...:sneaky:.... the irony of that comment in light of how you have blindly defended what you are loyal to yourself here was almost too much to resist replying to.... ... but i managed to resist anyway because at that point i was fed up with both the conversation and your dishonest methods of discourse....

and now you throw out another cheap shot with your "guess i touched a nerve" comment... that method of replying to someone is known in psychology as an attempt to invalidate... . but i guess it;s whatever makes you feel validated... right?.... ;) ..... knowing now that this is your style... and that you will most likely just do it again. - leaves me with no alternate but to ignore this and all other controversial topics in threads you use for bait to serve your purposes....

and so... i;m not going to argue with you on this any further.... you don;t want to see what i plainly spelled out ?... fine... assume it;s not there.... but you;re working a little too hard to come off obtuse - and i have a hard time believing someone who managed to pass law school doesn;t act that way on purpose..... besides... you have made it clear nothing i say will be taken as anything other than anecdotal anyway.. .... so what;s the point?... .i leave you with your validated feelings and obtunded assumptions..... have a great day...:) 🌻
 
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what you did with the trump speech was a cheap shot ......kinda like the one you tried with your last post in that same thread saying "i guess loyalty blinds people to the truth"..
Aleshanee - my Trump comment (two or three weeks ago!) was meant as a poor reflection of the language used by a U.S. president. You chose to personalize it and make it about yourself, which wasn’t the intent.
i;m not going to argue with you on this any further.... you don;t want to see what i plainly spelled out ?... fine... assume it;s not there....
I never knew we were arguing. I thought we were having a conversation. 🤷🏻‍♂️
and i have a hard time believing someone who managed to pass law school doesn;t act that way on purpose.
There’s a reason I waited a year or two to mention my education. Case in point. In retrospect, I should have said I went to plumbing trade school.
have a great day.
You too, but sincerely.
 
Christian or not, all humans possess a sinful flesh and will continue to possess one until called to Glory. It seems to me this is a logical way of explaining why people possess initial “feelings” that are not always morally correct (or that we’d be embarrassed to admit—even somewhat anonymously). That doesn’t make our feelings invalid, to the contrary, it reaffirms our sinful nature and inclinations.
 
a plumber?.... really?... wow.... considering your penchant for disingenuous headlines and pushing false assumptions, ... i thought you might work for a tabloid... ..... keep fishing and hunting your ducks dr huk... everyone should have something they are good at....
 
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