Do Christians Worship a Jew?

biscuit1953 said:
In this video Al Moeller who is both a Reformed theologian as well as a “five point Calvinist” explains his position on Tucker Carlson and answers the question about how Gentiles can be in the line of Christ and Christ still be Jewish.
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You're going a completely different direction with this. Of course Jesus was a Jew. Salvation was of the Jews. But what did it mean to be a Jew, which is the question you're avoiding. A Jew was one who was in covenant with Jehovah, not one who was merely Hebrew.

Though ethnicity may have played a minor role, it was like the blood of bulls and goats. Not the thing God took pleasure in. It was never about ethnicity, it was about covenant.

But today there is no one walking the earth that one can point to and say, this is an Hebrew. The Hebrew ethnicity disappeared ages ago. It got bred out of them. This is an existential fact. And the Jews today are called Jews, not because of their lineage, but because of their religion. And it's a false religion.

But is ethnicity a thing in the Resurrection? You will say yes because you approach the the words of the Apostles with your eschatology, instead of forming your eschatology from their writings. It must be so, and the Zionists must have it to be true.


biscuit1953 said:
We see in Ruth a picture of the gospel before the gospel.”
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And we see who the true Jews are.
 
Ekklesian said:
Our bodies are changed from earthy to heavenly...meaning, they're from Heaven. That's what it means to be glorified.
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That post contains no substance.
Christ’s glorified body looked like His earthly body, including the scars.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
That post contains no substance.
Christ’s glorified body looked like His earthly body, including the scars.
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I was hoping someone would bring this up, because I've been dying to point out the true marks of His identity...the marks of the Cross. But He wasn't glorified until He ascended to His Father.

He is the forerunner for us. We which are alive and remain when He returns will be glorified also in our ascension.
 
Ekklesian said:
I was hoping someone would bring this up, because I've been dying to point out the true marks of His identity...the marks of the Cross. But He wasn't glorified until He ascended to His Father.

He is the forerunner for us. We which are alive and remain when He returns will be glorified also in our ascension.
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I might add, the marks are preserved and glorified as well.

As the hymn says, behold his hands and side, rich wounds yet visible above in beauty glorified.
 
Ekklesian said:
But today there is no one walking the earth that one can point to and say, this is an Hebrew. The Hebrew ethnicity disappeared ages ago. It got bred out of them. This is an existential fact. And the Jews today are called Jews, not because of their lineage, but because of their religion. And it's a false religion.
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The Bible is very clear that the promises God gave to Abraham were through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Paul makes it clear that he was from the tribe of Benjamin and he talked about his kinsmen “according to the flesh.” The Bible defines “race” as the stock someone comes from (Acts 13:26). You are lying when you say there is no one of Hebrew ethnicity because all one must do is take a DNA test.

Around 2000 the National Academy of Sciences did extensive DNA testing of Jews scattered around the world and discovered that those Jewish communities were more closely related to each other and to other Middle Eastern Jewish populations than they were to the non-Jewish populations they were dispersed to.

They discovered that the Jews of the Diaspora that settled in Europe for over 50 generations had an intermarriage rate of about 0.5% in each generation. The Ethiopian Jews (Black Jews) were the only group that had DNA that resembled non-Jewish Ethiopian men. That indicated they were “Jewish proselytes.” You are limiting God as to what He can or cannot do.

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Ekklesian said:
I was hoping someone would bring this up, because I've been dying to point out the true marks of His identity...the marks of the Cross. But He wasn't glorified until He ascended to His Father.

He is the forerunner for us. We which are alive and remain when He returns will be glorified also in our
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Double talk much?
 
Ekklesian said:
It was a rather sublime way of saying her natural birth is irrelevant, unless you think she is somehow still the mother of our Lord and God.
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You are now being disrespectful to the Blessed Mother. She is to be venerated.
 
biscuit1953 said:
Paul makes it clear that he was from the tribe of Benjamin and he talked about his kinsmen “according to the flesh.”
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Paul seemed to think his Hebrew ethnicity was worthless in the sight of God.

"Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews . . . But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea, doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ, Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ." - Philippians 3:5-8.

To put it in modern terms, Paul's Benjaminite ethnicity plus $2.50 would get him a ride on the train in Chicago. And he knew it.

I have no doubt that many modern Jews have a significant helping of ancient Jewish DNA. So do many modern Palestinians. So what?
 
illinoisguy said:
Paul seemed to think his Hebrew ethnicity was worthless in the sight of God.

"Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews . . . But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea, doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ, Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ." - Philippians 3:5-8.

To put it in modern terms, Paul's Benjaminite ethnicity plus $2.50 would get him a ride on the train in Chicago. And he knew it.

I have no doubt that many modern Jews have a significant helping of ancient Jewish DNA. So do many modern Palestinians. So what?
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I agree with you 100% that Paul’s ethnicity wasn’t worth two cents as far as his standing with God and Paul makes that clear. However, that doesn’t change the fact that the Messiah came through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and neither does it change the many prophecies that God would regather the Jewish people back to their land in the last days. The absurdity of using Galations 3:28 to prove there are no Jews today is just as silly as insisting Paul taught there are no men or women as the Democratic Party pushes.
 
Ransom said:
Jesus, as God, is the "root" (creator) of David.

Jesus, as a man, is the offspring of David.

This isn't hard, unless you're actually stupid and not just pretending. :ROFLMAO:
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Jesus as man is descended from Adam. Universal.
Jesus as King of the Jews was descended from David.
Jesus as the Risen Savior, is the King of kings, and Lord of lords. Universal. Over even the prince and power of the air.
Jesus as glorified man, has put off His earthiness. (Note that the word is not earthly, but earthy, meaning made of dust.)
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. - 1 Corinthians 15:47​
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. - 15:48​
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, (past) we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. (future and forevermore)- 15:49​

Ethnicity was born at Babel. It is a feature of the dust of our bodies and a life in the earth. In our glorification, this dust is changed to something that is not earthy. We are no longer made of the dust of the earth. We are made of something heavenly and incorruptible. We are not raised Asian, Mediterranean, or European. We are not raised jew or gentile. We are raised the sons of God.

We do not worship a Jew.
 
Ekklesian said:
Jesus as man is descended from Adam. Universal.
Jesus as King of the Jews was descended from David.
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Was he not a man when descended from David? Why do you insist on making distinctions irrelevant to the point?
 
I think as much as can be said about it has been.

Zionism wants Christians worshipping a Jew...obviously. It's a big part of their propaganda movement.

But we don't worship a Jew. We worship the Son of God, who loved not only the Jews, but the world, and gave himself for it. The Jewish thing is over. God closed the book on that in 70 AD.
 
Ekklesian said:
But we don't worship a Jew. We worship the Son of God,
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"We don't worship a Jew, we worship the Son of God."

"Jesus was a man as descended from Adam, but the King of the Jews as descended from David."

False dichotomies all the way. At least you were consistent.

We don't play with round basketballs, we play with orange ones.
 
Ekklesian said:
It was a rather sublime way of saying her natural birth is irrelevant, unless you think she is somehow still the mother of our Lord and God.
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Is she still the mother of Jesus?
She was, when did that all change?
 
He was born a Jew. But as he sits at the right hand of the Father, is he still a Jew?

To be clear, it’s an honest question.
 
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