Meanwhile 4D Chess Continues

[Tarheel Baptist]

A term you have yet to define...

You illustrate it.

 

[Bruh]

I’m honored to be in the mix!
Heil Nazi Nick!

Why do you believe Nick Fuentes is a Nazi

 

[Ransom]

Why do you believe Nick Fuentes is a Nazi

I guess Fuentes can't fight his own battles and his girlfriend has to come to his defence.

 

[Ekklesian]

Uh-huh....AND Rev 21 gives us the physical dimensions of a City in which the Redeemed of the earth go in and out...etc.

It is an error to say it is ONLY God's people since Scripture from front to back ALSO says the City of God is a literal, visible, physical place on the new earth.

Right, LOL. Most of it's in space. Those robes of white are really space suits.

I find that Dispies are literal with the Revelation when they can be, and figurative when it suits their narratives, as in their locust/huey cobra interpretations and other depictions.

You'll do better to take the words of the Apostles to the Revelation rather than taking your notions of the Revelation to them. Things work out a whole lot better. Paul in Galatians and in Hebrews says the Heavenly Jerusalem is the Church.

Ezekiel's temple was measured too. It was all out of whack for a physical place.

 

[biscuit1953]

Right, LOL. Most of it's in space. Those robes of white are really space suits.

I find that Dispies are literal with the Revelation when they can be, and figurative when it suits their narratives, as in their locust/huey cobra interpretations and other depictions.

You'll do better to take the words of the Apostles to the Revelation rather than taking your notions of the Revelation to them. Things work out a whole lot better. Paul in Galatians and in Hebrews says the Heavenly Jerusalem is the Church.

Ezekiel's temple was measured too. It was all out of whack for a physical place.

You forget that context is one of the most basic fundamental foundations when interpreting scripture.

Symbolism – Like and as used throughout Revelation shows us where passages should be taken literally. The Bible if filled with metaphors such as God telling Israel “I carried you on eagles’ wings” (Exodus 19:4).

A simple rule: If the literal meaning of a passage leads to obvious absurdity, but a figurative one gives clarity, then the passage is probably using symbols.

This leads to another rule of biblical interpretation. A symbol will have a non-symbolic meaning. In other words, there is something real (a real person, historical event or trait) behind every figure of speech.

I don’t understand your obsession to erase the biblical prophecies concerning the regathering of the Jews back to their homeland by refusing to take them literally. You aren’t betraying Reformed theology by acknowledging that. In The Spurgeon Study Bible Charles Spurgeon clearly believed Israel was separate from the Church. This is what he said about the prophecies in Zechariah.

“This vision and prophecy graciously reveals the future history of Jerusalem. We may spirtualize it and say Jerusalem signifies the church, but we should not forget the literal meaning of the words. The Jewish people and their royal city will remain the center of the manifestations of divine glory. The nations of the earth will be joined to the Lord, a suburban population to the chosen city. Jerusalem will be rebuilt in more than her former splendor; The Jews will be restored to their own land; and Messiah will reign as a prince of the house of David.”

Martyn Lloyd-Jones who was amillenial and non-dispensational said this:

“To me 1967, the year that the Jews occupied all of Jerusalem, was very crucial. Luke 21:43 is one of the most significant prophetic verses: ‘Jerusalem,’ it reads, ‘shall be trodden down of the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled.’ It seems to me that that took place in 1967—something crucially important that had not occurred in 2,000 years. Luke 21:43 is one fixed point. But I am equally impressed by Romans 11 which speaks of a great spiritual return among the Jews before the end time. While this seems to be developing, even something even more spectacular may be indicated. We sometimes tend to foreshorten events, yet I have a feeling that we are in the period of the end. . . . I think we are witnessing the breakdown of politics. I think even the world is seeing that. Civilization is collapsing.”

Noted Theologians in History Who Believed in a Future Conversion of National/Ethnic Israel | Monergism

 

[JimKnox]

Right, LOL. Most of it's in space. Those robes of white are really space suits.

I find that Dispies are literal with the Revelation when they can be, and figurative when it suits their narratives, as in their locust/huey cobra interpretations and other depictions.

You'll do better to take the words of the Apostles to the Revelation rather than taking your notions of the Revelation to them. Things work out a whole lot better. Paul in Galatians and in Hebrews says the Heavenly Jerusalem is the Church.

Ezekiel's temple was measured too. It was all out of whack for a physical place.

Oh, ok.
You stopped talking to me and began talking to some imaginary group of people you call 'dispies'; right?

The literal, physical, visible City of God in Revelation is a place where the Redeemed go IN and OUT.

Since when do the Redeemed ever go OUT of the Church if your hypothesis is correct?

 

[illinoisguy]

[Martyn Lloyd-Jones said] But I am equally impressed by Romans 11 which speaks of a great spiritual return among the Jews before the end time.

Romans 11 says absolutely nothing about a literal restoration of the political/military nation of Israel in the end time. In fact, there is absolutely nothing about that anywhere in the New Testament. We as Christians (Jewish and Gentile) are instructed to focus on the "Jerusalem which is above," not the earthly one. See John 4:21, Galatians 4:25-26, Hebrews 11:16, 12:22, Revelation 11:8.

Assuming that Martyn Lloyd-Jones was correct about a "great spiritual return among the Jews," I am all for that, but what evidence do we have that anything remotely like that is currently taking place? If it is taking place, what does that have to do with unsaved Jews moving to Israel?

 

[biscuit1953]

Romans 11 says absolutely nothing about a literal restoration of the political/military nation of Israel in the end time. In fact, there is absolutely nothing about that anywhere in the New Testament. We as Christians (Jewish and Gentile) are instructed to focus on the "Jerusalem which is above," not the earthly one. See John 4:21, Galatians 4:25-26, Hebrews 11:16, 12:22, Revelation 11:8.

Assuming that Martyn Lloyd-Jones was correct about a "great spiritual return among the Jews," I am all for that, but what evidence do we have that anything remotely like that is currently taking place? If it is taking place, what does that have to do with unsaved Jews moving to Israel?

I guess it shows that there are diverse understandings among Reformed groups just as there are among Dispensationalists. There are extreme positions in both camps.