Divorce: The Sin Preachers Nod & Wink At

[Tarheel Baptist]

That’s the problem: it’s not about what you believe, it’s about what God says. Maybe you owe some folks an apology and the opportunity to profusely ask for forgiveness.

What you’re arguing is that it’s not what God says but what you believe.
Maybe you have no idea what Scripture actually teaches or what I have or have not done in my decades of ministry.

And, taking theological or hermeneutical advice from you would be akin to taking marriage advice from O.J. Simpson!

 

[Ekklesian]

God has called you to peace.

Amen.

 

[Ekklesian]

Dude my wife cheats on me I’m divorcing. If my wife flirts with another man I’m divorcing.

Look this is how I see it. If she wants to do that, then go do what you gotta do.

It looks to me like you're just looking for an out. Divorce is in your heart, dude.

 

[Bruh]

It’s just a list of anecdotal, stereotypical examples.
Your experience is certainly valid…as your experience.
However, others with very different experiences might not come to your conclusions. Marriage…even a good marriage…is not some fairy tale experience. I have been married for 52 plus years and we both brought personal baggage to the altar.

As to personal experience, I have divorced friends who have also been happily married for 40 plus years. I believe scripture allows for divorce under a few conditions and in those instances remarriage is not sinful but blessed by God.

What I explained is at a minimum 9 out of 10 divorced families. I have only seen 1 family where it wasn’t something like I explained. But now the daughter will not have nothing to do with her mother or step dad. I guess I missed that one. Far few and between when a step kid and parent have a great relationship.

Nothing makes me more fighting mad is when a step parent takes it out on step kids. I’ve literally cut friends off because he would be ugly with his step kids.

There is no where on Gods green earth where I would allow a woman to treat my children young or old like crap.

 

[Bruh]

God bless her!

She’s a keeper.

 

[Bruh]

It looks to me like you're just looking for an out. Divorce is in your heart, dude.

No. Looking? Can you explain your reasoning here?

 

[Bruh]

I tell my wife, God forbid I die or we get a divorce. But if you remarry and you see that man be rude, mean or ugly to our adult children or the young ones to divorce that man.

Because if he’s like that in front of you … you better believe he’s 10x’s that when youre not around.

To much baggage marrying a divorced person. Ain’t no way I would put my kids through that. NOPE, ain’t no woman gonna be ugly with my kids. I’d be in her face in 3 seconds flat. And I’d kick her but to the streets. You outta your mind if you think you should put up with that. Divorce that man or woman and save the relationship with your kids.

 

[DoctorDuck]

And, taking theological or hermeneutical advice from you would be akin to taking marriage advice from O.J. Simpson!

No need to take advice from me. The verses are in black and white (and red). “Thou shalt not steal” still means you shouldn’t steal.

 

[ALAYMAN]

No need to take advice from me. The verses are in black and white (and red). “Thou shalt not steal” still means you shouldn’t steal.

You have been given plenty of biblical counter perspective on this issue, so how do you resolve the “black-and-white” verses that you hand-waved so dismissively? What is your hermeneutical approach? How do you prioritize resolving seemingly biblical conflicting or contradictory evidence?

 

[ALAYMAN]

Robin Hood stole from the rich in order to give to the poor. Guess what, it still makes him a thief.

Did the disciples steal grain on the Sabbath? (Matthew 12:2)

 

[ALAYMAN]

I tell my wife, God forbid I die or we get a divorce. But if you remarry and you see that man be rude, mean or ugly to our adult children or the young ones to divorce that man.

Because if he’s like that in front of you … you better believe he’s 10x’s that when youre not around.

To much baggage marrying a divorced person. Ain’t no way I would put my kids through that. NOPE, ain’t no woman gonna be ugly with my kids. I’d be in her face in 3 seconds flat. And I’d kick her but to the streets. You outta your mind if you think you should put up with that. Divorce that man or woman and save the relationship with your kids.

You do realize that you keep giving Dr duck agreement to his arguments, and he’s arguing that divorce is essentially never legitimately biblically excused, but you are saying that you would authorize a divorce for being rude to children and offspring of a former spouse? Do you understand that this is a contradiction to what you seem to be giving thumbs up to in your buddy’s argument?

 

[DoctorDuck]

You have been given plenty of biblical counter perspective on this issue, so how do you resolve the “black-and-white” verses that you hand-waved so dismissively? What is your hermeneutical approach? How do you prioritize resolving seemingly biblical conflicting or contradictory evidence?

Luke 16:18 states: "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."

Background information: Jesus is condemning the Pharisees for their loose, convenient approaches to allowing men to divorce their wives.

How many times does Jesus need to tell you that it’s a sin before you stop trying to “Ivory Tower” this thing to death? Feeling badly for your friends who made bad life choices doesn’t change God’s Word.

My hermeneutical approach is to accept that when the Bible says it, it’s true. No “Phil-isms” needed. Hard stop.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Luke 16:18 states: "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."

Background information: Jesus is condemning the Pharisees for their loose, convenient approaches to allowing men to divorce their wives.

How many times does Jesus need to tell you that it’s a sin before you stop trying to “Ivory Tower” this thing to death? Feeling badly for your friends who made bad life choices doesn’t change God’s Word.

My hermeneutical approach is to accept that when the Bible says it, it’s true. No “Phil-isms” needed. Hard stop.

“The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: for thou hast had five husbands and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4‬:‭17‬-‭18‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Here is Jesus’s words, not Phil’s. Take the hermeneutical approach that you just claimed and apply it to the word “husband” here and tell me how it fits your definition for marriage. Remember, this is Jesus’s words about marriage and husbands.

 

[Bruh]

You do realize that you keep giving Dr duck agreement to his arguments, and he’s arguing that divorce is essentially never legitimately biblically excused, but you are saying that you would authorize a divorce for being rude to children and offspring of a former spouse? Do you understand that this is a contradiction to what you seem to be giving thumbs up to in your buddy’s argument?

If I understand him correctly, he’s basically saying that there is no consistency in the pulpit when it comes to gay marriage and divorce and remarriage.

If I or my “ex wife” would sin because of my reason for divorce then so be it. I’ll take the sin and save the relationship at all cost.

Step parents are typically horrible step parents. I choose my kids (in this scenario) over any other relationship. If I gotta sin for the rest of my life as Duck says, then so be it. I’m fine with that.

But I THINK he is arguing for Christians/pastors to be consistent and I agree 100% with him.

 

[ALAYMAN]

If I understand him correctly, he’s basically saying that there is no consistency in the pulpit when it comes to gay marriage and divorce and remarriage.

If I or my “ex wife” would sin because of my reason for divorce then so be it. I’ll take the sin and save the relationship at all cost.

Step parents are typically horrible step parents. I choose my kids (in this scenario) over any other relationship. If I gotta sin for the rest of my life as Duck says, then so be it. I’m fine with that.

But I THINK he is arguing for Christians/pastors to be consistent and I agree 100% with him.

Gay marriage is not marriage at all, that’s not even a question, so pastors are well within their rights to speak against the spirit of this age, just as they did against things like the abolition of slavery in the culture of colonial America.

Where there is a disconnect between conflating a pastors responsibility to preach on so-called gay marriage and Dr Duck’s erroneous view of perpetual adultery is that the scripture is not clear at all on his view. As a matter fact, if you know what the Westminster confession of faith is and says on the matter, or who Calvin, Luther, MacArthur and a whole bunch of other reputable conservative Christian theologian and pastors are, you would realize that there is disagreement over the idea of perpetual adultery that Dr Duck is claiming. While I respect his appeal to scripture only as his final authority, scripture is not his friend as I’ve recently noted and I’m awaiting his answer on in regards to Jesus saying that a woman was married five times and had five husbands. That’s not the language of perpetual adultery.