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aleshanee said:
FSSL said:
Inouye was corrupt through and through with his political issues. There is not a redeeming factor in his political issues.
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[size=12pt]translation: - - inouye was not a conservative or a republican.........  ::)

i agree that when it came to moral issues like abortion and same sex marriage inouye was absolutely wrong........ but saying he was corrupt through and through is the same as saying ....
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No. His views are not just wrong... they corrupt. Abortion and same sex is morally corrupt, through and through.
 
I respected Sen. Inouye greatly though I never liked his politics. Indeed, I've only voted for a Democrat a very few times and never for president. But I'm a Libertarian, not a Republican.
 
FSSL said:
aleshanee said:
FSSL said:
Inouye was corrupt through and through with his political issues. There is not a redeeming factor in his political issues.
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[size=12pt]translation: - - inouye was not a conservative or a republican.........  ::)

i agree that when it came to moral issues like abortion and same sex marriage inouye was absolutely wrong........ but saying he was corrupt through and through is the same as saying ....
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No. His views are not just wrong... they corrupt. Abortion and same sex is morally corrupt, through and through.
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Same as all sin corrupts. Each major political side just seems to want to overlook the corrupting sin in their own agendas to point fingers at the other half of the room.
 
What corrupting sin does a conservative want to legalize?
 
FSSL said:
What corrupting sin does a conservative want to legalize?
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Legalize? Not so much...whereas liberals as a rule fail on the side of individual sin, conservatives by and large fail on the issue of societal sin. So where do conservatives fall short on this?

- Pushing for aggressive empirism. I've read the Bible...being Babylon isn't a good thing.
- Lack of compassion or empathy for the poor or broken...not all conservatives, but the "you get what you deserve, hyper-Randian crowd isn't small either.
- A culture of death - I've read many conservatives who have claimed lethal force is justified to protect your TV. I've also read plenty of conservatives who could care less about civilian casualties in foreign theaters of war because "better them there than possibly us here".
- Ignoring the implications of cultural racism - for every liberal who wrongly cries racist at every opportunity, there is a conservative who denies racism even occurs.
Placing profit over people - Economically, I understand this from a corporate perspective. When people (i.e. conservatives) defend this from an individual perspective, it's indefensible.

And, that's just what I could think of in a handful of minutes.
 
You've heard... read... BUT conservatives do not seek to legalize immorality.
 
FSSL said:
You've heard... read... BUT conservatives do not seek to legalize immorality.
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They don't legislate immortality.  They just advocate for policies that directly result in the death of millions. And the dehumanization of billions.
 
rsc2a said:
FSSL said:
You've heard... read... BUT conservatives do not seek to legalize immorality.
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They don't legislate immortality.  They just advocate for policies that directly result in the death of millions. And the dehumanization of billions.
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Sounds convincing ;)
 
FSSL said:
You've heard... read... BUT conservatives do not seek to legalize immorality.
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Just as with Calvinism vs. Arminianism, those are not only the two alternatives. I am neither, but hold with the Lutheran view.

And on conservatism vs. liberalism, I am neither, but libertarian -- which is not greatly different from classical liberalism, but is nearly opposite to modern or progressive liberalism. Like some (but not nearly enough) conservatives, I hold with constitutional originalism and with Jefferson's dictum, "That government is best which governs least".
 
When it comes to politics, the motive for what different sides do is the same...there is not a dimes worth of difference...just different issues.  The main thing all these politicians are seeking is to remain in power...that's the essence of spending millions of dollars for a job that pays a couple hundred thousand. I don't trust any of them to do what's best for the people....by definition they are polititians not Statesmen!
 
aleshanee said:
...of course they do..... and they have....... but you are speaking of immorality only as it pertains to sexual immorality..... the things rsc2a mentioned ... that have their base in greed, racism and indifference... are also immoral ....
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I asked for actual legalizations and rsc2a said "not so much." These are just vague accusations.

If abortion somehow equates to any unstated "immoral" laws passed by conservatives... then list them.
 
aleshanee said:
...personally i believe some would like to see the return of slavery of forced labor at unlivable wages......
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That is pretty biased, skewed and not based on anything tangible.

those are just a few examples........ there are many more.......... does any single conservative policy or law cause as many immediate deaths as one bill legalizing abortion?......... no.......... probably not.......... but added all together..... and given the effect of time..... children affected by these policies and growing up under them may very well make it happen when they begin making their own marks on the world...........

and seeing christians wrap themselves up in a political ideology and pretending it;s righteousness turns more people away from God than most any other single thing i know of.......... conservatives love to point out how liberals who legalized abortion have blood on their hands..... maybe they should also look at their own..........
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50,000,000 deaths and counting. NOTHING in your above list even compares. No. Conservatives do not have blood on their hands.

Those politicians dems and repubs that are in favor of it are wholly corrupt and evil. I asked about legislation brought about by conservatives and neither of you have identified a piece of corrupt legislation.

Stop fighting against the conservative ideology by equivocating on abortion.
 
aleshanee said:
FSSL said:
You've heard... read... BUT conservatives do not seek to legalize immorality.
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of course they do..... and they have....... but you are speaking of immorality only as it pertains to sexual immorality..... the things rsc2a mentioned ... that have their base in greed, racism and indifference... are also immoral .... anti biblical and anti-christian.... ... and i don;t have to read about it to understand..... i have seen first hand how the politics of greed harmed thousands right here in my home state at a time when the republicans were patting themselves on the back for what they called economic growth and recovery........... one of the problems with fundamentalism and even many conservative christian groups that are not fundamentalist is they have been married to the republican party now for so long that they have lost sight of the difference in many biblical doctrines and conservative politics.......... they are not always the same...... in fact...... they are seldom the same.....
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I am no apologist for the republicans.  But there is no moral equivalence here.  There is a significant difference between republicans and democrats, although I prefer to classify the differences as between conservatives and progressives/Marxists because there are a fair number of progressives in the republican party that might as well be democrats. 

Let me tell you what the two parties have in common.  Many, if not most of them don't give a hoot about the country.  They're only in their "job" to be part of the elite ruling class.  They fight anyone who threatens their comfortable position, even to the point of destroying the lives of anyone who stands in their way.  In some cases, even having their "enemies" killed. 

Now let me tell you how they differ:  Policies.  Republican policies are a mixture of right and wrong.  We can argue all day about which policies are good and which are bad, but at least they have SOME good policies. 

It's almost impossible to find any good policies on the progressive/Marxist side.  I like the way Evan Sayet puts it:  "...the Modern Liberal's thinking leads him to side with evil over good, wrong over right and the behaviors that lead to failure over those that lead to success."  I could focus on abortion, protection of criminals over victims, fomenting racial and class division, encouraging promiscuity even starting at kindergarten, advocating euthanasia so as not to allow old people to become a burden on society, eugenics to limit the population of "inferior" races, keeping people of color "on the plantation", oppressing Christian faith while promoting everything anti-Christian and non-Christian, etc., etc., etc.  But even the policies people might regard as good (welfare, food stamps, etc.) are policies that lead to failure over those that lead to success, as you can see from the results of 50 years of a democrat "war on poverty".

Oh, and don't even get me started about the lies.  They probably ALL lie, but if God struck down every politician who was a pathological liar, there might be only 5 left standing in Washington, but none of them would be democrats. 

Yes, I have endless complaints about republicans.  But there's no comparison.  Some republicans are good people, many of whom are unfortunately seduced by power.  The democrats/progressives/Marxists are just plain evil, and I mean that in the worst possible sense.  They are faithful servants of the enemy.  Can you find an occasional exception?  Maybe.  But as a whole they are a disease, and they are infecting every aspect of our country -- including the republicans. 

 
aleshanee said:
in hawaii... on all the islands... plantations and the plantation way of life was common all the way through world war two.... most of the people here who are either non-white or non-hawaiian are descendants of people who were brought here by plantation owners to either work the fields or supervise field workers....... and those plantation owners were almost entirely republican..... one of the things they did... the reason for which can only be speculated at.... was to pay workers different wages depending on their race...... for years this did exactly what people suspected it was intended to do and kept these people of different races fighting and resenting each other...... this lead to the creation of unions in hawaii.... supported by the democrats...... but as long as hawaii was a territory and the agricultural businessmen held the upper hand republicans remained in control.....but working class people did not trust them... and not only because of the wage disparity but also due to other things they did such things as recruiting a different race of people from a totally different country to work for even less money after the workers of different races here already unionized and demanded equal wages.........
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I agree that was bad.  Paying based on race is not only wrong, but illegal. 

However, I hope you understand I was speaking figuratively about keeping people on the plantation.  For example, democrats like to keep black people (and other minorities) dependent upon government in order to keep those people voting democrat. 

And democrats want minorities to believe they're perpetual victims, so the democrats can be seen as their saviors. 

And democrats freak out about conservative black people, because the conservatives "left the plantation" where they belong.  They even go so far as to say they're not genuine black people. 

 
aleshanee said:
FSSL said:
aleshanee said:
...of course they do..... and they have....... but you are speaking of immorality only as it pertains to sexual immorality..... the things rsc2a mentioned ... that have their base in greed, racism and indifference... are also immoral ....
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I asked for actual legalizations and rsc2a said "not so much." These are just vague accusations.

If abortion somehow equates to any unstated "immoral" laws passed by conservatives... then list them.
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what rsc2a listed are not just vague accusations...... they are just a few of the core beliefs based on greed racism and indifference....that drive much of the policies and actions that conservative take.............and what you originally asked was this....

What corrupting sin does a conservative want to legalize?
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meanwhile countries where american business interfered and caused more harm than good suffered wars ...revolutions.. increases in crime rates... and some of that even made it;s way back into the united states....... (have you ever heard of an el salvadoran street gang called ms-13?... )... and then one country in particular which had already suffered years of economic sanctions that caused the starvation deaths of countless children was attacked by a conservative administration under the guise of looking for wmds that were never there......... this was what i was talking about when i asked if it was any more evil to kill children by ripping them from their mothers wombs or waiting until they get older and incinerating them in their cribs....... ... fact is... both are evil.... and i;m not condoning one or the other.....
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I swore to fight this one, so sidetrack prophet is at it again.
But this is too egregious to let go.

WMDs:

The terms of surrender, in 1991, in Iraq, included dismantling of WMDs.
The U.N. had a list of those WMDs.
The U.N. had weapons inspection teams in Iraq for 12 years, with one purpose...
Oversight of the dismantling of those WMDs.
14 times in those 12 years, the UN imposed sanctions for violations of those surrender terms, ie dismantling process.
The last violation, was a period of 2 years where Saddam kicked the weapons inspectors out of Iraq, and when they finally returned, there were many unaccounted for.
The stated reason for going back in to Iraq, was exactly because there were no WMDs , where WMDs ,dismantled, should have been.

None of what I have said here, is even classified.

You had to be a complete idiot to fall for the way the media repainted the whole issue, to stir up the next generation of young radicals.

I'm talking , of course, to those of us who are old enough to have been paying attention to National and International news since 1990.

This is so laughable, as to be ridiculous, yet I hear people, who are otherwise intelligent, repeat the "there were no WMDs" line.

U.N.Weapons Inspectors

Google may help.
 
[quote author=The Rogue Tomato]However, I hope you understand I was speaking figuratively about keeping people on the plantation.  For example, democrats like to keep black people (and other minorities) dependent upon government in order to keep those people voting democrat.  [/quote]

What some people call "government dependence", many people call "the ability to eat", and I say this as someone who thinks the entire system needs to be ripped down and rebuilt from scratch. But, this is exactly the kind of things I'm referring to. Democrats may be off the rails on some issues, but there are plenty of Republicans who would rather let the child of a single parent starve than allow the government to help.
 
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... but there are plenty of Republicans who would rather let the child of a single parent starve than allow the government to help.
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Documentation?
 
FSSL said:
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... but there are plenty of Republicans who would rather let the child of a single parent starve than allow the government to help.
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Documentation?
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Ah! Racism and welfare in one.

http://hamptonroads.com/2010/10/beach-gop-chairman-agrees-resign-over-racist-email

The "joke" in question:

I went down this morning to sign up my dog for welfare. At first the lady said, "Dogs are not eligible to draw welfare". So I explained to her that my dog is black, unemployed, lazy, can't speak English and has no frigging clue who his Daddy is. So she looked in her policy book to see what it takes to qualify...

My dog gets his first check Friday. Is this is a great country or what?
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If if you want actual legislation, you have a party that is more than willing to devote trillions in more spending to programs that are explicitly designed to spread American Empirism through machines of death while cutting benefits across the board for the poor.1

1 Full disclaimer: I think the system does need revamped and spending reduced, but as large of broader reforms, not simply cutting budgets across the board. I also think "defense" spending needs to be drastically cut. Unlike the Republican platform, I'm not advocating that we reduce overall spending while spending more and more increasing amounts on our military.
 
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