Annual Officer Vote Next Week

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Next week our Church will once again vote for the officers, teachers, and pastors for our Church. We do this every year.

I always feel uncomfortable voting 'yea' or 'nay' for the pastor. I feel like I am taking the will of God in my hands.

I can pray, observe his actions over the past year, and consider his doctrinal stands and adjustments ... and I can listen to the still small voice in my heart ....

.... what would you consider if placing such a vote for your pastor?
 
A friend of mine, a fellow pastor, served a church that voted on him every year. The chairman of the board worked at Sears, and the pastor asked him how he would like it if Sears voted on him every year. Sometimes a vote can be a vote of confidence to the pastor, and sometimes it can be a vote that can discourage the pastor. A good bit of advice my former pastor gave me when I went into the ministry was "Love your people and it will make up for your sorry preaching." Sometimes a good preacher will not necessarily be a good pastor, and sometimes a good pastor will not be a good preacher, but a combination of the two will be a blessing to the church he serves. May God bless your church in the coming vote.
 
Since it is not my church, it really isn't my business, but I do think it is strange to vote annually about the pastor. 
 
The teachers your church votes for, are they the Sunday school teachers?
 
.tim said:
Next week our Church will once again vote for the officers, teachers, and pastors for our Church. We do this every year.

I always feel uncomfortable voting 'yea' or 'nay' for the pastor. I feel like I am taking the will of God in my hands.

I can pray, observe his actions over the past year, and consider his doctrinal stands and adjustments ... and I can listen to the still small voice in my heart ....

.... what would you consider if placing such a vote for your pastor?

You vote for ushers, choir members and the custodial staff annually as well?
 
Just Ben said:
A friend of mine, a fellow pastor, served a church that voted on him every year. The chairman of the board worked at Sears, and the pastor asked him how he would like it if Sears voted on him every year.

Not that it applies to the pastorate, but a terrific Major League Baseball manager refused to sign a contract extending more than 1 year. He was in the position for 23 years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Alston

He is best known as the manager of the Brooklyn/Los Angeles Dodgers between 1954 and 1976. In 23 years as a major league manager, Alston never signed a contract longer than one year.
 
Never heard of such. Sounds a little cruel to me.

Maybe that's why you are uncomfortable
 
I would not pastored a church under those conditions.
 
Ephesians 4:1-16
4 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of G[/b]od, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body for joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.


Let's break it down…

V. 7-8  The Body of Christ consists of various (bodily) members who have been given "a measure of grace"
V. 8       -AND- "a measure of  personal" gift(s)" to be used…
V. 11    "And he gave some apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers"
V. 12   For the perfecting of the Saints (The BODY)
V. 13     Till we (the Body) come in the unity of the Faith, knowledge of the Son of God, perfect until the measure and stature of the fullness of Christ.
V. 15    So they may "grow up into Him in all things"
V. 12     For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ
V. 13              Speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
V. 16 the whole body for joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.



Should a congregation create a secular tradition to boot out their Pastors/Elders/Leaders each and every year?

V. 13  "till we come into Unity of the Faith
V. 13  "Unto the measure of the stature of the Fullness of God"

It instructs this process takes much longer than a year anyhow ^^^

1. V. 13 to grow someone up into him takes more than a year
2. V. 14 the body calls each persons gifts and grace assigned "joints" which supplieth the body it's needs.

To even present the option to break apart joints of the BODY which serve to "perfect" the other joints of the body...um isn't this contrary to Gods purpose?






 
Dr Falwell used to say that our church votes every week....with their feet and their pocketbooks.
General statement, I know, but over the years I've found it's basically true!  :)
 
.tim said:
Next week our Church will once again vote for the officers, teachers, and pastors for our Church. We do this every year.

I always feel uncomfortable voting 'yea' or 'nay' for the pastor. I feel like I am taking the will of God in my hands.

I can pray, observe his actions over the past year, and consider his doctrinal stands and adjustments ... and I can listen to the still small voice in my heart ....

.... what would you consider if placing such a vote for your pastor?
This is not a church. This is not a unified body, it cannot be. sorry
My guess is approaching the Leaders with scriptural truths is fruitless. They are very weak. Try anyhow

Pray for their Souls. They give an account for you and they are acting against you.

Then if this voting event still takes place, be present to set them straight.

Talk LOUDLY and do not stop talking until you are finished. it's the right thing. Blessings to you

 
.tim said:
I always feel uncomfortable voting 'yea' or 'nay' for the pastor. I feel like I am taking the will of God in my hands.

Then refuse. Not because you wish the pastor and other officers ill, but because the process is unjust. Is a gun held to your head?
 
JrChurch said:
Since it is not my church, it really isn't my business, but I do think it is strange to vote annually about the pastor.

I agree, and so does he actually.
 
Ransom said:
.tim said:
I always feel uncomfortable voting 'yea' or 'nay' for the pastor. I feel like I am taking the will of God in my hands.

Then refuse. Not because you wish the pastor and other officers ill, but because the process is unjust. Is a gun held to your head?

That is what I did last year.
 
HeDied4U said:
The teachers your church votes for, are they the Sunday school teachers?

Yes. This included even my wife and her Beginners class.

The vote is for deacons, ushers, trustees, Sunday School teachers, youth pastor, pastor, Missionary committee, audio and sound, choir director ...
 
.tim said:
HeDied4U said:
The teachers your church votes for, are they the Sunday school teachers?

Yes. This included even my wife and her Beginners class.

The vote is for deacons, ushers, trustees, Sunday School teachers, youth pastor, pastor, Missionary committee, audio and sound, choir director ...
Not sure how to put this, but this is congregational polity gone awry. Unbiblical and unpractical.
 
ItinerantPreacher said:
.tim said:
HeDied4U said:
The teachers your church votes for, are they the Sunday school teachers?

Yes. This included even my wife and her Beginners class.

The vote is for deacons, ushers, trustees, Sunday School teachers, youth pastor, pastor, Missionary committee, audio and sound, choir director ...
Not sure how to put this, but this is congregational polity gone awry. Unbiblical and unpractical.

I agree.
 
ItinerantPreacher said:
.tim said:
HeDied4U said:
The teachers your church votes for, are they the Sunday school teachers?

Yes. This included even my wife and her Beginners class.

The vote is for deacons, ushers, trustees, Sunday School teachers, youth pastor, pastor, Missionary committee, audio and sound, choir director ...
Not sure how to put this, but this is congregational polity gone awry. Unbiblical and unpractical.

What he said. That is just whacked.  :o
 
Just Ben said:
A friend of mine, a fellow pastor, served a church that voted on him every year. The chairman of the board worked at Sears, and the pastor asked him how he would like it if Sears voted on him every year. Sometimes a vote can be a vote of confidence to the pastor, and sometimes it can be a vote that can discourage the pastor. A good bit of advice my former pastor gave me when I went into the ministry was "Love your people and it will make up for your sorry preaching." Sometimes a good preacher will not necessarily be a good pastor, and sometimes a good pastor will not be a good preacher, but a combination of the two will be a blessing to the church he serves. May God bless your church in the coming vote.
I think you made a case for what is known as an ELDER Ran church,sort of. It opposes the pyramid scheme of having one man at the top who is taking a large paycheck, so large it even covers taking care of his wife and kids... and this man has made the ministry his occupation. To have many men... as they all have their own gifts to contribute.. is the point you validated above. The more the Merrier~



 
I would vote to leave the church, but that is just me. 
 
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