Are those who oppose gay marriage but accept divorce simply hypocrites?

[ALAYMAN]

Hey, not sure why the author is limiting the scope of their focus to just gay marriage. Since Christians are (ostensibly) hypocrites on this subject maybe they should just stop saying anything at all about right and wrong

(Is that you I hear Smellin’?)

 

[Dr. Huk-N-Duck]

I guess my pastor was right when he said that less than one hundred years ago, anything he taught would have been accepted as common biblical knowledge without a blink…but today it is poked fun of and considered “out of touch”—by Christians, no less. No wonder he struggled for a couple years to muster up the courage to preach that sermon. Sad.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I guess my pastor was right when he said that less than one hundred years ago, anything he taught would have been accepted as common biblical knowledge without a blink…but today it is poked fun of and considered “out of touch”—by Christians, no less. No wonder he struggled for a couple years to muster up the courage to preach that sermon. Sad.

So you’re saying that you and your pastor’s solution to divorce is to counsel people living in “perpetual adultery” via a second or third illegitimate marriage is to divorce their spouse, is that about right?

 

[Dr. Huk-N-Duck]

So you’re saying that you and your pastor’s solution to divorce is to counsel people living in “perpetual adultery” via a second or third illegitimate marriage is to divorce their spouse, is that about right?

I think you’re putting the cart before the horse. First, you either agree or disagree agree with the assessment of Scripture on the subject. The solution comes much later….

 

[ALAYMAN]

I think you’re putting the cart before the horse. First, you either agree or disagree agree with the assessment of Scripture on the subject. The solution comes much later….

Earlier in the thread, did you not say this…

“To biblically rectify the problem, the person must do one of two things: stay single or divorce your current spouse and return to your God-ordained partner. Anything else is perpetual adultery.”

 

[Dr. Huk-N-Duck]

Earlier in the thread, did you not say this…

“To biblically rectify the problem, the person must do one of two things: stay single or divorce your current spouse and return to your God-ordained partner. Anything else is perpetual adultery.”

According to the one-flesh test of Scripture, yes. https://versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/can-a-believer-divorce-or-remarry

 

[Gringo]

I quoted the phrase, not Gringo, so please don’t lump us together for that reason just because he supported the idea behind the article. The point wasn’t race but rather I was drawing a parallel between Christians in an unbiblical marriage, yet actively attending church, leading Sunday school services, and other religious activities. (Oh, and for the record, I am mostly white, but I do have Native American ancestry on both sides of my family.)

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I can assure you that no one here, associates you with a gay atheist.
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[Dr. Huk-N-Duck]

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I can assure you that no one here, associates you with a gay atheist.
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Don’t be surprised: I’ve already been referred to as “Smellin” in a recent post. It’s the good old fashioned IFB way of shunning and demonizing those who dare to disagree. Fortunately, all I’m doing is repeating God’s Word, so their issue isn’t really with Huk, it’s with Scripture.

 

[Ekklesian]

I guess my pastor was right when he said that less than one hundred years ago, anything he taught would have been accepted as common biblical knowledge without a blink…but today it is poked fun of and considered “out of touch”—by Christians, no less. No wonder he struggled for a couple years to muster up the courage to preach that sermon. Sad.

Do you have a happy marriage? I'm glad. I really am.

But people make mistakes. There are those matches that weren't made in heaven, and the result is constant anger and strife, which we're told is a sin like murder.

Staying in a marriage like that may actually seal one's doom. If a member of your body causes you to offend, cut it off and cast it from you. Better to enter heaven maimed, than to enter hell whole.

 

[Ekklesian]

For my part, I gave it 30 years. Over half my life. Then realized the problem wasn't me.

 

[Ekklesian]

My ex and I separated right when the COVID lockdowns hit.

Completely isolated, I had the unique (and God given) opportunity to evaluate my decisions.

After some time separated, with the absence of anger and strife, one begins to question his judgement. Remembering the good times, exclusively.

Was I just leaving a difficult situation?

But I found I would prefer a life of loneliness than to return to the friction that defined our marriage.

In February of 2020, when my ex and I told our youngest daughter we decided to split up, she said she wanted that since she was twelve years old.

Ten years prior to that, I thought I needed to get myself and my girls away from this woman, but thought the problem was me. If I could just love good enough, I was told.

Basically, if I could be as good as God, everything would fall into place.

Then I realized I m not God.

I had no power to change hearts, and women weren't granted the defacto status of princesses.

In fact, naturally speaking, every one is a pig. And pearls cast before swine are trampled.

We split. And both of us are the better for it.

Still, it is better to marry than to burn. If separation is justified, so is remarriage.

One may be maimed and limping into heaven, but better there than winding up in hell even after adherence to the letter.

 

[Dr. Huk-N-Duck]

For my part, I gave it 30 years. Over half my life. Then realized the problem wasn't me.

I’m not here to judge any individual or situation, for all I know, a person might be biblically divorced. However, I do think we should be theologically honest about the topic and not laugh it off in a defensive effort to avoid hurting feelings. I don’t see people taking this approach with gay marriage or a plethora of other topics.

 

[Gringo]

My ex and I separated right when the COVID lockdowns hit.

Completely isolated, I had the unique (and God given) opportunity to evaluate my decisions.

After some time separated, with the absence of anger and strife, one begins to question his judgement. Remembering the good times, exclusively.

Was I just leaving a difficult situation?

But I found I would prefer a life of loneliness than to return to the friction that defined our marriage.

In February of 2020, when my ex and I told our youngest daughter we decided to split up, she said she wanted that since she was twelve years old.

Ten years prior to that, I thought I needed to get myself and my girls away from this woman, but thought the problem was me. If I could just love good enough, I was told.

Basically, if I could be as good as God, everything would fall into place.

Then I realized I m not God.

I had no power to change hearts, and women weren't granted the defacto status of princesses.

In fact, naturally speaking, every one is a pig. And pearls cast before swine are trampled.

We split. And both of us are the better for it.

Still, it is better to marry than to burn. If separation is justified, so is remarriage.

One may be maimed and limping into heaven, but better there than winding up in hell even after adherence to the letter.

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From a human and compassionate side, I'm certainly on your side and in agreement with you. As a man, you deserve happiness and a life as void of stress as possible. My own birth father and mother, each, had been divorced before they married and had me and my sister. I certainly understand that people do make mistakes and that we should learn from them and move on. Your daugther wanted you to do this from her age of 12. And so, I hope that you live the remainder of your life with some semblance of happiness and peace. I'm behind you 100%, as I am behind Baptist Renegade and others here who, as humans, need love and kindness and may have not found it in their first marriages.

But the Bible is not behind you, as it is not behind gay marriage. You can't change what Jesus said. You can't rationalize it as in your next to the last statement.

And you had to make the decision of living a life of unhappiness or living in disobedience to the Bible. You chose the latter which is what gay people do. I hope that one day you can be more compassionate to gay people (whom you don't even think exist) and their "marriages" which are not allowed by the Bible but which allow them to live lives of happiness -the same thing you were seeking.


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[Dr. Huk-N-Duck]

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From a human and compassionate side, I'm certainly on your side and in agreement with you. As a man, you deserve happiness and a life as void of stress as possible. My own birth father and mother, each, had been divorced before they married and had me and my sister. I certainly understand that people do make mistakes and that we should learn from them and move on. Your daugther wanted you to do this from her age of 12. And so, I hope that you live the remainder of your life with some semblance of happiness and peace. I'm behind you 100%, as I am behind Baptist Renegade and others here who, as humans, need love and kindness and may have not found it in their first marriages.

But the Bible is not behind you, as it is not behind gay marriage. You can't change what Jesus said. You can't rationalize it as in your next to the last statement.

And you had to make the decision of living a life of unhappiness or living in disobedience to the Bible. You chose the latter which is what gay people do. I hope that one day you can be more compassionate to gay people (whom you don't even think exist) and their "marriages" which are not allowed by the Bible but which allow them to live lives of happiness.


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Gringo - very well said. You’re not going to get much feedback on here, but the silence is deafening.

 

[ALAYMAN]

According to the one-flesh test of Scripture, yes. https://versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/can-a-believer-divorce-or-remarry

Lots wrong with that article, but try this one to see that a person who remarries isn’t in “perpetual adultery”.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Don’t be surprised: I’ve already been referred to as “Smellin” in a recent post. It’s the good old fashioned IFB way of shunning and demonizing those who dare to disagree. Fortunately, all I’m doing is repeating God’s Word, so their issue isn’t really with Huk, it’s with Scripture.

I didn’t refer to you as “Smellin”, was talking about the author linked in the OP who is justifying the gay agenda by equivocation. It only applies to you if you’re going to twist Scripture like Smellin’ to justify “queer theology”.

 

[Dr. Huk-N-Duck]

I didn’t refer to you as “Smellin”, was talking about the author linked in the OP who is justifying the gay agenda by equivocation. It only applies to you if you’re going to twist Scripture like Smellin’ to justify “queer theology”.

I’ve never twisted Scripture to advocate “queer theology.” I’ve simply drawn a parallel between the double standard of the church’s stance on gay marriage and that of divorce. If that makes me a “queer champion,” I’ll wear the badge with honor.

 

[Dr. Huk-N-Duck]

Lots wrong with that article, but try this one to see that a person who remarries isn’t in “perpetual adultery”.

Eliminate the word “perpetual” since it seems to really bother you.

From the article you posted:

“Jesus is saying that the act of remarriage is an act of adultery. He is not teaching that the ongoing conjugal relationship with the new spouse is a state of “perpetual adultery”--as if God refused to recognize the remarriageas legitimate in any sense.“

Do you agree or disagree with that first sentence?

 

[Baptist Renegade]

Eliminate the word “perpetual” since it seems to really bother you.

From the article you posted:

“Jesus is saying that the act of remarriage is an act of adultery. He is not teaching that the ongoing conjugal relationship with the new spouse is a state of “perpetual adultery”--as if God refused to recognize the remarriageas legitimate in any sense.“

Do you agree or disagree with that first sentence?

What comes to mind with me is that you find someone else that you would rather be with and you divorce the one that you are with in order to be be with the one you would rather be with.

Such a scenario is most certainly adultery and not acceptable grounds for divorce IMO. You may have gone through all the hoops to make everything "Legal" but God still sees it as adultery.

 

[abcaines]

What comes to mind with me is that you find someone else that you would rather be with and you divorce the one that you are with in order to be be with the one you would rather be with.

You see... I've never understood that; even in my BC days. If someone is going to leave a partner for someone else he/she finds more to their liking, what is the new partner's guarantee the abandoning one won't do the same thing in the future?

IOW, if I was "available" and some woman would leave her husband simply because she found me more to her liking, I'd want no part of that. What is to keep her from doing the same thing again? She already has a bad track record.