Baptist Distinctives. Distinct and different from...?

[Bruh]

Do you really want to discuss this or are you just throwing one liners around?

With you, I'll go for option b).

I was bashing the idea the that persecution produced modern Baptist.

How nice for you. I didn't say that persecution produced modern Baptist [sic]. Learn to read, stupid.

Yeah, stupid idiot learn to read. 

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Do you really want to discuss this or are you just throwing one liners around?

With you, I'll go for option b).

I was bashing the idea the that persecution produced modern Baptist.

How nice for you. I didn't say that persecution produced modern Baptist [sic]. Learn to read, stupid.

Yeah, stupid idiot learn to read.

Yeah, learn to read and stop being such a bully and calling people names, stupid idiot. 

Wait, what?

 

[bgwilkinson]

Question

Who or what is the object of the distinction or what or who is it that Baptists claim as the object of comparison?

IMHO, Baptists or immersers through the years have sought to separate themselves from those they believed did not agree with and practice Biblical Christianity.

Whether it was the Catholic church, the church of England or the Presbyterian church of Scotland those pejoratively called Baptists were separating themselves from what they considered false doctrines of false churches.

So Baptists would be said to be district from those who believe and practice false doctrine.

Various Baptist groups have attempted to differentiate between the various religious denominations and themselves resulting in various statements of faith and creeds.

However Baptists are first and foremost "sola scriptura", the Bible takes precedence over confessions and creeds.

There are many versions of the Baptist Distinctives, but all attempt to provide a wall of separation between themselves and non Baptists, a line of demarkation known to all.

 

[christundivided]

Do you really want to discuss this or are you just throwing one liners around?

With you, I'll go for option b).

I was bashing the idea the that persecution produced modern Baptist.

How nice for you. I didn't say that persecution produced modern Baptist [sic]. Learn to read, stupid.

I'm in my phone at the moment... So pardon my writing. I know you always dot your eyes and cross your t..s..

I know you don't like me....  but I've never called you stupid... that I can recall.....yet you have taken to bashing me as if I have. Care to explain???

I never said you specifically referenced any persecution.

 

[Bruh]

Do you really want to discuss this or are you just throwing one liners around?

With you, I'll go for option b).

I was bashing the idea the that persecution produced modern Baptist.

How nice for you. I didn't say that persecution produced modern Baptist [sic]. Learn to read, stupid.

I'm in my phone at the moment... So pardon my writing. I know you always dot your eyes and cross your t..s..

I know you don't like me....  but I've never called you stupid... that I can recall.....yet you have taken to bashing me as if I have. Care to explain???

I never said you specifically referenced any persecution.

O why don't you just shut up you stupid idiot. 

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

However Baptists are first and foremost "sola scriptura", the Bible takes precedence over confessions and creeds.

Baptist churches disagree with each other.  Reformed Baptists believe in predestination/grace/Calvinism/whatever.  At the other extreme, you have Free Will Baptists.  One scripture, different creeds. 

There are many versions of the Baptist Distinctives, but all attempt to provide a wall of separation between themselves and non Baptists, a line of demarkation known to all.

It's the pot lucks.  Only Baptists do that. 

 

[christundivided]

However Baptists are first and foremost "sola scriptura", the Bible takes precedence over confessions and creeds.

Baptist churches disagree with each other.  Reformed Baptists believe in predestination/grace/Calvinism/whatever.  At the other extreme, you have Free Will Baptists.  One scripture, different creeds. 

There are many versions of the Baptist Distinctives, but all attempt to provide a wall of separation between themselves and non Baptists, a line of demarkation known to all.

It's the pot lucks.  Only Baptists do that.

Exactly.

Also. I think it hilarious to suggest that Baptists don't hold to creeds...  It really is nonsense. Just like the Pharisee of Christ's day. They make void the commandments of God by their traditions.

I will give BG credit. At least he is taking the path GB should have taken in the debate.

 

[Bruh]

Do you really want to discuss this or are you just throwing one liners around?

With you, I'll go for option b).

I was bashing the idea the that persecution produced modern Baptist.

How nice for you. I didn't say that persecution produced modern Baptist [sic]. Learn to read, stupid.

Yeah, stupid idiot learn to read.

Yeah, learn to read and stop being such a bully and calling people names, stupid idiot. 

Wait, what?

Wait, what?...........huh!

 

[Ransom]

I know you don't like me....  but I've never called you stupid... that I can recall.....

How'd I merit the exception?

 

[christundivided]

I know you don't like me....  but I've never called you stupid... that I can recall.....

How'd I merit the exception?

Its generally the exception not the rule. There many here that I've never called stupid.

I'd say you've used the term many times yourself.

 

[lnf]

Goodness, gentlemen!  Did someone poison the water on the FFF today?

 

[prophet]

I have installed a script that plays CCM at a high frequency beyond human ear capabilities. This has caused a rebellion on the FFF where everyone calls everyone else a liar, stupid and idiot.

... special thanks to tobyMac and LeCrae! I might try Petra and Stryper next to see what happens.

"More than a Man"  (Stryper)will really set us off.

 

[rsc2a]

Great thread... "Baptist Distinctives" who developed this idea? According to Bush and Nettles, these are ideas formulated well after the establishment of the Baptists:

"Early Baptists did not think exclusively in terms of Baptist distinctives. They affirmed Christian doctrines. They believed that they were being true to Scripture in their view of the ordinances, their view of God, and so forth, and they called on other Christians to join them in their faithfulness." Baptists and the Bible (Revised and expanded) (341). Nashville, TN: Broadman & Holman Publishers. my emphasis

I have at least two thoughts on this...

1) I believe that Confessional Baptist origins has been replaced by a list of "distinctives" which relates more to polity than it does doctrine. The Reformed Baptists and SBC Founders Movement have worked to get us back to our Confessional/Creedal roots.

2) No two authors agree as to what the "Baptist Distinctives" are. This is a problem. They have considerable overlaps, but each author likes to interject his own idea. The Southern Baptists in the 1960s developed this popular acronym:

Biblical Authority...

I believe your point #1 is what the "B" is inanely trying to address. I don't know how many folks I've heard say, "We don't need no creeds. We got the Bible..." then turn around and cite the Baptist distinctives as authoritative doctrine.

 

[christundivided]

Great thread... "Baptist Distinctives" who developed this idea? According to Bush and Nettles, these are ideas formulated well after the establishment of the Baptists:

"Early Baptists did not think exclusively in terms of Baptist distinctives. They affirmed Christian doctrines. They believed that they were being true to Scripture in their view of the ordinances, their view of God, and so forth, and they called on other Christians to join them in their faithfulness." Baptists and the Bible (Revised and expanded) (341). Nashville, TN: Broadman & Holman Publishers. my emphasis

I have at least two thoughts on this...

1) I believe that Confessional Baptist origins has been replaced by a list of "distinctives" which relates more to polity than it does doctrine. The Reformed Baptists and SBC Founders Movement have worked to get us back to our Confessional/Creedal roots.

2) No two authors agree as to what the "Baptist Distinctives" are. This is a problem. They have considerable overlaps, but each author likes to interject his own idea. The Southern Baptists in the 1960s developed this popular acronym:

Biblical Authority...

I believe your point #1 is what the "B" is inanely trying to address. I don't know how many folks I've heard say, "We don't need no creeds. We got the Bible..." then turn around and cite the Baptist distinctives as authoritative doctrine.

Exactly...

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Goodness, gentlemen!  Did someone poison the water on the FFF today?

Today? 

 

[TimbauxRioux]

Great thread... "Baptist Distinctives" who developed this idea? According to Bush and Nettles, these are ideas formulated well after the establishment of the Baptists:

"Early Baptists did not think exclusively in terms of Baptist distinctives. They affirmed Christian doctrines. They believed that they were being true to Scripture in their view of the ordinances, their view of God, and so forth, and they called on other Christians to join them in their faithfulness." Baptists and the Bible (Revised and expanded) (341). Nashville, TN: Broadman & Holman Publishers. my emphasis

I have at least two thoughts on this...

1) I believe that Confessional Baptist origins has been replaced by a list of "distinctives" which relates more to polity than it does doctrine. The Reformed Baptists and SBC Founders Movement have worked to get us back to our Confessional/Creedal roots.

2) No two authors agree as to what the "Baptist Distinctives" are. This is a problem. They have considerable overlaps, but each author likes to interject his own idea. The Southern Baptists in the 1960s developed this popular acronym:

Biblical Authority...

I believe your point #1 is what the "B" is inanely trying to address. I don't know how many folks I've heard say, "We don't need no creeds. We got the Bible..." then turn around and cite the Baptist distinctives as authoritative doctrine.

In seminary, i remember Dr Barnes explaining why he preferred non-credal statement of faith,, and he felt that creeds limit and cap thinking and further development.

All my years preaching, and teach, I have never heard someone speak of the distinctives as being more than an Identifier.

 

[lnf]

Goodness, gentlemen!  Did someone poison the water on the FFF today?

Today? 

I hear you, but it seemed to me that more than the average number of vituperations were being tossed about.

I've waited practically my whole life for the opportunity to use that $10 word in a sentence.  Thanks, FFF!  ;D

 

[Bobby Ross]

I believe your point #1 is what the "B" is inanely trying to address. I don't know how many folks I've heard say, "We don't need no creeds. We got the Bible..." then turn around and cite the Baptist distinctives as authoritative doctrine.

To my understanding, I believe the distinctives held by these groups of believers throughout history were usually developed in response to a prevailing heresy at that time and in that location.  The distinctives are doctrine, and if there is any worth to the distinctive, which I believe there is, it will be firmly grounded in scripture and plainly taught therein.

 

[rsc2a]

I believe your point #1 is what the "B" is inanely trying to address. I don't know how many folks I've heard say, "We don't need no creeds. We got the Bible..." then turn around and cite the Baptist distinctives as authoritative doctrine.

To my understanding, I believe the distinctives held by these groups of believers throughout history were usually developed in response to a prevailing heresy at that time and in that location.  The distinctives are doctrine, and if there is any worth to the distinctive, which I believe there is, it will be firmly grounded in scripture and plainly taught therein.

In short, they are exactly like the creeds*.


* Except that the creeds have always been accepted by all orthodox Christians for 1700 or so years. Scratch that....there is a HUGE difference in the creeds and the Baptist distinctives. Although it remains disingenuous for someone to reject creedal statements as authoritative since they are not "Bible alone" and hold their denominational distinctives as authoritative in any manner whatsoever.

 

[christundivided]

Great thread... "Baptist Distinctives" who developed this idea? According to Bush and Nettles, these are ideas formulated well after the establishment of the Baptists:

"Early Baptists did not think exclusively in terms of Baptist distinctives. They affirmed Christian doctrines. They believed that they were being true to Scripture in their view of the ordinances, their view of God, and so forth, and they called on other Christians to join them in their faithfulness." Baptists and the Bible (Revised and expanded) (341). Nashville, TN: Broadman & Holman Publishers. my emphasis

I have at least two thoughts on this...

1) I believe that Confessional Baptist origins has been replaced by a list of "distinctives" which relates more to polity than it does doctrine. The Reformed Baptists and SBC Founders Movement have worked to get us back to our Confessional/Creedal roots.

2) No two authors agree as to what the "Baptist Distinctives" are. This is a problem. They have considerable overlaps, but each author likes to interject his own idea. The Southern Baptists in the 1960s developed this popular acronym:

Biblical Authority...

I believe your point #1 is what the "B" is inanely trying to address. I don't know how many folks I've heard say, "We don't need no creeds. We got the Bible..." then turn around and cite the Baptist distinctives as authoritative doctrine.

In seminary, i remember Dr Barnes explaining why he preferred non-credal statement of faith,, and he felt that creeds limit and cap thinking and further development.

All my years preaching, and teach, I have never heard someone speak of the distinctives as being more than an Identifier.

It really is sad that you can not see that you've created a distinction with no practical difference. Its common among IFBs. They are so self absorbed that they can't see the forest for the trees. You use the term "identifier" as if its not the purpose of a "creed" to "identify" something.