Bob Gray is concerned.

[Escapee]

The issue in this thread is something that I have brought up to friends and even family. I see IFB guys going to Washington and praying with and having speakers at the Capitol Connection that are not IFB. Chappell has been on Todd Starnes show and Todd is a faithful SBC man. Here it is.....Its fine to be in unity for political events but it is not for gospel events! Really makes me want to puke and what a joke! IFB hypocrisy is beyond comical and unbiblical!

J Frank Norris, arguably the grand daddy of the militant IFB wing, would yolk up with many unsavory characters as long as their common enemy of Communism was the target.  The political expediency of such ventures was for the good of our nation, at least as he saw it at the time.  The simple truth, whether you agree with that sort of alliance for those political purposes or not, is that Norris felt like he could have such relationships while affecting the greater moral good in society all the while not allowing those unsavory political alliances to have any sway over his ecclesiastical affairs.  I don't disagree with that notion.  Just because a preacher works in the civic domain by forging less than ideal partnerships doesn't mean such relationships will corrupt his doctrinal teaching to the flock.

No offense brother.....but you said a whole lot of rationalization of people who are willing to join up for politics but not the gospel! You can join with people for community events but not have them teach or preach in your church.  That is hypocrisy. The gospel first! It is also a headscratcher to see people who wont even fellowship with people in their own camp because of personalities and silly things "forge less than ideal relationships" with politicians! I need some ibuprofen!

 

[TheRealJonStewart]

The issue in this thread is something that I have brought up to friends and even family. I see IFB guys going to Washington and praying with and having speakers at the Capitol Connection that are not IFB. Chappell has been on Todd Starnes show and Todd is a faithful SBC man. Here it is.....Its fine to be in unity for political events but it is not for gospel events! Really makes me want to puke and what a joke! IFB hypocrisy is beyond comical and unbiblical!

The said event was a political rally that happens to be held at a church. Geez do people not read any information or are they that ignorant.

What does that matter? Who cares if it is in a church or parking lot?  Joining together for politics but not the gospel!

It matters because it is not a gospel/bible related event. It is purely on a social issue that is becoming much more relevant than ever before.

If you don't like it, you are against religious freedom. I hope you're not a socialist.

 

[ALAYMAN]

No offense brother.....but you said a whole lot of rationalization of people who are willing to join up for politics but not the gospel! You can join with people for community events but not have them teach or preach in your church.  That is hypocrisy. The gospel first! It is also a headscratcher to see people who wont even fellowship with people in their own camp because of personalities and silly things "forge less than ideal relationships" with politicians! I need some ibuprofen!

I'm not sure I understand your rationale regarding the statement "The gospel first" as it relates to a minister's political activities.  Are you saying that just because a minister participates in a political event that he is somehow not putting the gospel as his first priority?

Regarding your point on how some pastors will forge political relationships with ethically/morally questionable folk but will separate from their Baptist brothers over inconsequential secondary matters, I don't necessarily disagree with you that that sort of thing is schismatic and dumb.

 

[Escapee]

The issue in this thread is something that I have brought up to friends and even family. I see IFB guys going to Washington and praying with and having speakers at the Capitol Connection that are not IFB. Chappell has been on Todd Starnes show and Todd is a faithful SBC man. Here it is.....Its fine to be in unity for political events but it is not for gospel events! Really makes me want to puke and what a joke! IFB hypocrisy is beyond comical and unbiblical!

The said event was a political rally that happens to be held at a church. Geez do people not read any information or are they that ignorant.

What does that matter? Who cares if it is in a church or parking lot?  Joining together for politics but not the gospel!

It matters because it is not a gospel/bible related event. It is purely on a social issue that is becoming much more relevant than ever before.

If you don't like it, you are against religious freedom. I hope you're not a socialist.

LOL. So you believe Christians have segments of their lives where the gospel is set aside. Wow! Im out! My point is clear. The IFB hard liners as so holy because they cant have a community impact for the gospel with someone who doesnt use the KJV but they can have a patriotic rally for the republican party with someone who does! Its a joke. You may not see it but many do! Carry on! Im done!

 

[Escapee]

No offense brother.....but you said a whole lot of rationalization of people who are willing to join up for politics but not the gospel! You can join with people for community events but not have them teach or preach in your church.  That is hypocrisy. The gospel first! It is also a headscratcher to see people who wont even fellowship with people in their own camp because of personalities and silly things "forge less than ideal relationships" with politicians! I need some ibuprofen!

I'm not sure I understand your rationale regarding the statement "The gospel first" as it relates to a minister's political activities.  Are you saying that just because a minister participates in a political event that he is somehow not putting the gospel as his first priority?

Regarding your point on how some pastors will forge political relationships with ethically/morally questionable folk but will separate from their Baptist brothers over inconsequential secondary matters, I don't necessarily disagree with you that that sort of thing is schismatic and dumb.

Good points! And, secondary separation is dumb! I dont have the mental energy to carry on in this! God bless you all!

 

[TheRealJonStewart]

The issue in this thread is something that I have brought up to friends and even family. I see IFB guys going to Washington and praying with and having speakers at the Capitol Connection that are not IFB. Chappell has been on Todd Starnes show and Todd is a faithful SBC man. Here it is.....Its fine to be in unity for political events but it is not for gospel events! Really makes me want to puke and what a joke! IFB hypocrisy is beyond comical and unbiblical!

The said event was a political rally that happens to be held at a church. Geez do people not read any information or are they that ignorant.

What does that matter? Who cares if it is in a church or parking lot?  Joining together for politics but not the gospel!

It matters because it is not a gospel/bible related event. It is purely on a social issue that is becoming much more relevant than ever before.

If you don't like it, you are against religious freedom. I hope you're not a socialist.

LOL. So you believe Christians have segments of their lives where the gospel is set aside. Wow! Im out! My point is clear. The IFB hard liners as so holy because they cant have a community impact for the gospel with someone who doesnt use the KJV but they can have a patriotic rally for the republican party with someone who does! Its a joke. You may not see it but many do! Carry on! Im done!

Not Christians but Christian leaders do have segments of their lives where the gospel is indeed set aside as the main reason for gathering. This gathering is purely political for religious freedom.

Religious freedom is important to carry out. I am not an IFB but an atheist who still believes in the freedom of religion. I'm not for this socialism stuff that AOC or Bernie is portraying out there. If you are then so be it.

 

[Twisted]

LOL. So you believe Christians have segments of their lives where the gospel is set aside.

Define "set aside".

I'm not sure your point as the majority of us work for lost people/corporations that are involved in wicked things and live wicked lives.  Is that "setting the gospel aside"?

 

[Walt]

Chappell responds:

https://twitter.com/PaulChappell/status/1099467166955450368

Misinformed about what?  The lunch menu at the college for the week?

Most likely regarding Bob Gray's allegation of Chappell supposedly preaching at an "SBC" church.

That's not it as Chappell is preaching at an SBC church.

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/one-nation-under-god-conference-registration-53609045097

I ask again, in this current climate, does preaching at an SBC church require you to return your 'rock ribbed fundamentalist' card?

I wonder what BG would say about me?  I'm and HAC grad and Independent Baptist Pastor and I once preached a revival with nothing but Methodists and Cumberland Presbyterians in attendance.  A group of Baptist friends came the last night and sat in the back though In fact, less than 10 years ago, I preached weekly at a Cumberland Presbyterian Church (where I group up) every Sunday Morning for 2 years.  We had service at 10:00 and then I went down the street and led singing at the IB church at 11:00.
I'll preach to anyone who is willing to listen as long as I have liberty to speak!

Bob Gray's attitude toward someone seems to depend upon how much they worship Jack Hyles.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

LOL. So you believe Christians have segments of their lives where the gospel is set aside.

Define "set aside".

I'm not sure your point as the majority of us work for lost people/corporations that are involved in wicked things and live wicked lives.  Is that "setting the gospel aside"?

If we?re arguing over Chappell being scheduled to speak at an SBC church, that point is moot.
Believe it or not, we in the SBC preach the same gospel that you preach. 

 

[Escapee]

LOL. So you believe Christians have segments of their lives where the gospel is set aside.

Define "set aside".

I'm not sure your point as the majority of us work for lost people/corporations that are involved in wicked things and live wicked lives.  Is that "setting the gospel aside"?

If we?re arguing over Chappell being scheduled to speak at an SBC church, that point is moot.
Believe it or not, we in the SBC preach the same gospel that you preach. 

Yes WE do!

 

[TheRealJonStewart]

LOL. So you believe Christians have segments of their lives where the gospel is set aside.

Define "set aside".

I'm not sure your point as the majority of us work for lost people/corporations that are involved in wicked things and live wicked lives.  Is that "setting the gospel aside"?

If we?re arguing over Chappell being scheduled to speak at an SBC church, that point is moot.
Believe it or not, we in the SBC preach the same gospel that you preach. 

Yes WE do!

You never answered Twisted's reply about defining "set aside" nor my response on whether or not we should fight for religious freedom in our nation.

 

[Twisted]

You never answered Twisted's reply about defining "set aside" nor my response on whether or not we should fight for religious freedom in our nation.

You read my mind (that's actually pretty scary) so to thank you I've emailed you a fresh bag of weed.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

LOL. So you believe Christians have segments of their lives where the gospel is set aside.

Define "set aside".

I'm not sure your point as the majority of us work for lost people/corporations that are involved in wicked things and live wicked lives.  Is that "setting the gospel aside"?

If we?re arguing over Chappell being scheduled to speak at an SBC church, that point is moot.
Believe it or not, we in the SBC preach the same gospel that you preach. 

Yes WE do!

You never answered Twisted's reply about defining "set aside" nor my response on whether or not we should fight for religious freedom in our nation.

I thought that was addressed to escapee.
Personally, I am all for fighting to maintain religious freedom.
Religious freedom is for fundys, neos, catholics, charismatics and even cults.

Since we re for answering questions:
Twisted never answered my question about whether or not a rock ribbed fundamentalist could preach at an SBC church and remain a RRF.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

You never answered Twisted's reply about defining "set aside" nor my response on whether or not we should fight for religious freedom in our nation.

You read my mind (that's actually pretty scary) so to thank you I've emailed you a fresh bag of weed.

Answered...now you.

 

[Twisted]

I thought that was addressed to escapee.

It was.  Thanks for playing.

 

[Twisted]

Twisted never answered my question about whether or not a rock ribbed fundamentalist could preach at an SBC church and remain a RRF.

I believe I did answer that.

But for a more experienced reply, ask Tim Lee.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Twisted never answered my question about whether or not a rock ribbed fundamentalist could preach at an SBC church and remain a RRF.

I believe I did answer that.

But for a more experienced reply, ask Tim Lee.

I missed it, can you repost?
And I know what Tim Lee?s answer is...

 

[Twisted]

Twisted never answered my question about whether or not a rock ribbed fundamentalist could preach at an SBC church and remain a RRF.

I believe I did answer that.

But for a more experienced reply, ask Tim Lee.

I missed it, can you repost?
And I know what Tim Lee?s answer is...

Something about "love offerings".

 

[TheRealJonStewart]

LOL. So you believe Christians have segments of their lives where the gospel is set aside.

Define "set aside".

I'm not sure your point as the majority of us work for lost people/corporations that are involved in wicked things and live wicked lives.  Is that "setting the gospel aside"?

If we?re arguing over Chappell being scheduled to speak at an SBC church, that point is moot.
Believe it or not, we in the SBC preach the same gospel that you preach. 

Yes WE do!

You never answered Twisted's reply about defining "set aside" nor my response on whether or not we should fight for religious freedom in our nation.

I thought that was addressed to escapee.
Personally, I am all for fighting to maintain religious freedom.
Religious freedom is for fundys, neos, catholics, charismatics and even cults.

Since we re for answering questions:
Twisted never answered my question about whether or not a rock ribbed fundamentalist could preach at an SBC church and remain a RRF.

That question was directed for "Escapee" who seemed to have escaped from the questions at hand.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Twisted never answered my question about whether or not a rock ribbed fundamentalist could preach at an SBC church and remain a RRF.

I believe I did answer that.

But for a more experienced reply, ask Tim Lee.

I missed it, can you repost?
And I know what Tim Lee?s answer is...

Something about "love offerings".

You can?t bring yourself to put in writing what you actually believe.
How neo of you...

Tom and his crusaders, Old Bob, Don Boys and the other guy you posted about that I?ve never heard of are so proud of you...but I doubt they give love offerings...