Capitol Connection in Washington DC........Fundies are foaming all over......

[Frag]

Honest question, Frag.

Would you spend three days to have a prayer meeting with Liberty University, Freebird alumni?

YES!  And I would DEFINITELY present each with a KJ Bible.....

Does your church unite with other Christian churches in your area, whether they be Baptist, Presbyterian, Christian or Catholic for prayer meetings?

No.  Why would we?

I'm trying to be civil.  But, isn't your senator a Catholic?

What these men do not understand is that the POLITICIANS they prayed with, will be running for re-election.  LOL!!!

So?
For the life of me, I don't see how anyone could have a problem with Pastors, or any other citizen for that matter, visiting with, talking to and praying for their elected representatives.
Unless this is just another Freebird Thread...and then the substance is irrelevant...other than to bash the fundies!

Wait! This IS another Freebird Thread...

The sound you heard while reading ^^^^ this post, was the hammer hitting the nail square on the head....

 

[Bruh]

Honest question, Frag.

Would you spend three days to have a prayer meeting with Liberty University, Freebird alumni?

YES!  And I would DEFINITELY present each with a KJ Bible.....

Does your church unite with other Christian churches in your area, whether they be Baptist, Presbyterian, Christian or Catholic for prayer meetings?

No.  Why would we?

I'm trying to be civil.  But, isn't your senator a Catholic?

What these men do not understand is that the POLITICIANS they prayed with, will be running for re-election.  LOL!!!

So?
For the life of me, I don't see how anyone could have a problem with Pastors, or any other citizen for that matter, visiting with, talking to and praying for their elected representatives.
Unless this is just another Freebird Thread...and then the substance is irrelevant...other than to bash the fundies!

Wait! This IS another Freebird Thread...

I am a member of a IBC.  My point is this, the POLITICIANS met with these men for VOTES, hence, re-election.  LOL!!

They/you are fooling yourselves if you believe with all your heart that the POLITICIANS were sincere.

Some obviously were not sincere.  Some were.  One of the pleasant surprises of this wonderful opportunity was meeting a remnant of politicians who I believe are absolutely saved and absolutely sincere.  And they are working within our system of government to help steer our country in a Biblical, conservative direction. 

And THEY were encouraged that we came, and expressed our appreciation.  And some were blessed to tears by our prayers.

Course it is easier to sit home, be jaded, and take cheap potshots than to make any effort to make a difference.....

No sitting at home here.  I rub shoulders with lost unregenerate men everyday 8-12 or more hours a day.  Asking the Lord for strength to have a Godly testimony with them. 

 

[Frag]

I'm shocked that nobody has brought up the fact that we, as voters, can request to meet with our Senators and Reps anytime.  We don't have to go through Chuck Harding or anyone else to get there.  These pastors are being misled into thinking that Harding is doing them a favor by "pulling some strings" to make these things happen.  You know what?  You can go down to your neighborhood Mardel's, buy a Bible, and take it to your Senator next time he's in town.  He might even let you pray with him!  I bet it'd cost a whole lot less than the Capitol Connection mission trip, too.  I'd like to know how much Harding and Creed are pocketing from this little venture.

Harding/Creed didn't book our appointments with our Senators and Reps.  Each of the pastors who went did that personally.  I made the appointments and showed up for the meetings.  Again, ignorance reigns supreme on the FFF.

How many large meetings accomodating 100s of people from both your area and across America have you planned, financed and pulled off?  I assume NONE.  Because if you ever did, you would find that you ALWAYS lose $$ doing it.

But, hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your hatred...............

You proved my point exactly! Harding/Creed involvement isn't at all necessary.  This event is just a feather in their caps.
Are you implying that Harding financed this entire thing?  I highly doubt it since he charges for participation. 

As for my history, you'd be surprised to know how many local and national events I've planned and executed.  Maybe you're the ignorant one in assuming that Harding is the only one capable of doing such a thing.

The only 'hatred' I feel (it's more like pity) is toward misinformed pastors who don't have wisdom enough to check out a guy's story before jumping on his bandwagon. I would encourage you to research Chuck Harding and his story before you send any more money his way.  You can take my statement as anger, bitterness, whatever you'd like, but know that I'm a member of an IFB church and have a pastor that is actively involved with Chuck Harding's ministry and has been since it's inception.  What I'm telling you is truth and I challenge you to refute it with fact.

YOU made the accusation.  Then I am supposed to refute it with fact?  Typical of a mud slinger's mentality...

IF you have organized national meetings, then you would KNOW that Pastor Creed and his church sacrificed greatly to host this.  There is a reasonable and nominal cost to help provide the materials presented and offset some of the expense.  So what? 

It is true that every individual pastor COULD do this on his own.  But would they if this meeting did not give them encouragement to do so?  Most, prob not.  And the benefit was not just in meeting with our Reps and Senators, it was in the fellowship, the preaching, the excitement of doing it together.  Again, what's your beef with this?  Really? 

And heaven forbid, it was enjoyable!  I know your pastor is NEVER supposed to actually have a good time -- not at the church's expense!!!  Hopefully he didn't get ANY enjoyment out of it.  That would defeat the entire purpose of a

DOEG OX MUZZLER!

...like yourself.....

Deal with your hatred, dude.  It is embarrassing....

 

[Binaca Chugger]

One more question.  Looking for an honest answer.  Were all of the pastors who traveled to be a part of this IFB?  Were they all your camp of IFB?  I am a little curious if CH reaches out to other groups or not.  If so, is it as broad as, say, Gibbs and the CLA?

 

[StephParker]

One more question.  Looking for an honest answer.  Were all of the pastors who traveled to be a part of this IFB?  Were they all your camp of IFB?  I am a little curious if CH reaches out to other groups or not.  If so, is it as broad as, say, Gibbs and the CLA?

Watch this clip. Around the 5:15 mark Harding makes an interesting statement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrSlpxjzk-I

 

[Walt]

One more question.  Looking for an honest answer.  Were all of the pastors who traveled to be a part of this IFB?  Were they all your camp of IFB?  I am a little curious if CH reaches out to other groups or not.  If so, is it as broad as, say, Gibbs and the CLA?

Watch this clip. Around the 5:15 mark Harding makes an interesting statement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrSlpxjzk-I

Watched.  What's so interesting?  His "I only use the KJV"?  Or something else?

 

[Binaca Chugger]

One more question.  Looking for an honest answer.  Were all of the pastors who traveled to be a part of this IFB?  Were they all your camp of IFB?  I am a little curious if CH reaches out to other groups or not.  If so, is it as broad as, say, Gibbs and the CLA?

Watch this clip. Around the 5:15 mark Harding makes an interesting statement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrSlpxjzk-I

Watched.  What's so interesting?  His "I only use the KJV"?  Or something else?

In response to my question, he only approaches churches that are IB and KJV, AMEN?

Just before this, he brags about the lofty position that he never held.  Posters here along with others approached him about this and he ended up re-wording his webpage.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Let me re-state my issue with the Capitol Connection:

1.  I have no problem with a group of pastors presenting a Bible to anyone and saying a prayer with them.
2.  I believe we should pray for our elected officials.  This is not a prayer of blessing, continuance or prosperity.  Rather, we should pray for wisdom, insight, yieldedness to God's mind and that sin and harmful legislation would be confounded.  This means that sometimes, in praying for a politician, I am praying for their failure in their goals.
3.  I would not attempt to join together in prayer with a Catholic, or any other unsaved individual.  My prayer for them would be that they trust Christ.
4.  I am going to reference a book that many here would not like, but that Frag and his fellow IFBers will appreciate.  Personally, I think it is a pretty good work.  Jack Hyles wrote in his book on the church an entire chapter entitled: "A Church Losing Its Authority and Not Knowing It."  In this chapter, he warned about "Uniting for a good cause."  He warned the pastors and churches not to unite with liberals or non-believers for political campaigns. 
5.  The whole thing seems like the pastors believe they are making this huge impact, while the politicians believe they are getting votes.  Politicians are just that, politicians.  While some are decent people and appreciate people praying for them, they also appreciate people that write Santa on their behalf.  The whole of it has the feel of a photo-op, lobbyist movement, rather than the intimacy of a season of prayer.
6.  Chuck Harding has been caught in a grand lie that he uses to milk money out of churches.  He is a professional religionist.  When accusations had too much backing for him to stay in his home church, he was suddenly "called" to this ministry that was begun with deceiving churches.  I don't like that.  Pretty hard to get behind that.

All of that is just my feeling and why I wouldn't participate.  Here is the reason that many people have an issue with this:

You would not be willing to spend the money and time to have a prayer meeting with non-IFB churches in your area.  Stink, you won't even have a prayer meeting for revival with Baptist churches in your area if they are not in the same IFB camp as you.  But, you will spend the money and time to have a prayer meeting with elected officials who are not of your religion.  Hypocrisy.

Next, you could just as easily meet the same individual on the campaign trail when they are in your area.  Save the money and don't get the recognition.

Just my opinion.  Groups like CH are stealing church finances and pastor's time away from what the purpose of the church really ought to be.  I see hypocrisy in your willingness to have a prayer meeting with a Catholic politician, but not a Baptist church.  I find sinful a prayer of Godspeed to a politician who is working to pass laws to aid sin.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

But, that is just my opinion.  You do whatever you want.

 

[Frag]

But, that is just my opinion.  You do whatever you want.

Thanks for your permission.  I will....

 

[Walt]

One more question.  Looking for an honest answer.  Were all of the pastors who traveled to be a part of this IFB?  Were they all your camp of IFB?  I am a little curious if CH reaches out to other groups or not.  If so, is it as broad as, say, Gibbs and the CLA?

Watch this clip. Around the 5:15 mark Harding makes an interesting statement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrSlpxjzk-I

Watched.  What's so interesting?  His "I only use the KJV"?  Or something else?

In response to my question, he only approaches churches that are IB and KJV, AMEN?

Just before this, he brags about the lofty position that he never held.  Posters here along with others approached him about this and he ended up re-wording his webpage.

Thank you.

I don't remember him saying that he only "approaches" churches that are IB and KJV, but that he only preaches in them.

Yes, I know about his false statement implying that he held an exalted position, when he was really hired by a security firm that provides guards; a "rent-a-cop", I've heard it called.