Christians and Climate Change

[ddgently]

Fine. I'll concede I was wrong about the exact mechanism.

But I still would like to know why you think labeling CO2 a greenhouse gas is deceptive.

The mechanism is different, but the effect is the same. You've conceded that CO2 has the effect. So you just object to the name?

The effect isn't the same.

Heat is trapped. Ambient temperature goes up.

What is different, other than mechanism?

 

[christundivided]

Fine. I'll concede I was wrong about the exact mechanism.

But I still would like to know why you think labeling CO2 a greenhouse gas is deceptive.

The mechanism is different, but the effect is the same. You've conceded that CO2 has the effect. So you just object to the name?

The effect isn't the same.

Heat is trapped. Ambient temperature goes up.

What is different, other than mechanism?

Here. I'll post Rogue's quote again.

but the way it retains heat is fundamentally different as a greenhouse works by reducing airflow, isolating the warm air inside the structure so that heat is not lost by convection.

The warm air isn't isolated inside the structure so the heat is not lost. How can you say this results in the same effect?

Have you ever heard of "Radiative cooling"? CO2 doesn't trap radiant heat as "effectively" as a real greenhouse. Any greenhouse. So... when you say that CO2 cause the same "effect". You're purposely being deceptive.

Did you know that there can be a temperature swing of 70 F in the desert from day to night time? Did you? So much for the effectiveness of CO2 trapping heat.

Can you please try to build your own greenhouse using "CO2" for walls. I think you should devote your life to the effort.

 

[ddgently]

Fine. I'll concede I was wrong about the exact mechanism.

But I still would like to know why you think labeling CO2 a greenhouse gas is deceptive.

The mechanism is different, but the effect is the same. You've conceded that CO2 has the effect. So you just object to the name?

The effect isn't the same.

Heat is trapped. Ambient temperature goes up.

What is different, other than mechanism?

Here. I'll post Rogue's quote again.

but the way it retains heat is fundamentally different as a greenhouse works by reducing airflow, isolating the warm air inside the structure so that heat is not lost by convection.

The warm air isn't isolated inside the structure so the heat is not lost. How can you say this results in the same effect?

Have you ever heard of "Radiative cooling"? CO2 doesn't trap radiant heat as "effectively" as a real greenhouse. Any greenhouse. So... when you say that CO2 cause the same "effect". You're purposely being deceptive.

Did you know that there can be a temperature swing of 70 F in the desert from day to night time? Did you? So much for the effectiveness of CO2 trapping heat.

Can you please try to build your own greenhouse using "CO2" for walls. I think you should devote your life to the effort.

It seems like you're being dense on purpose.

Take three ice cubes.

Put on one the counter in front of a fan, the other in the microwave, the other in your lit
fireplace. They all melt, but at different rates and by different mechanisms.

Same effect, different mechanism. This isn't that hard.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Fine. I'll concede I was wrong about the exact mechanism.

But I still would like to know why you think labeling CO2 a greenhouse gas is deceptive.

The mechanism is different, but the effect is the same. You've conceded that CO2 has the effect. So you just object to the name?

The effect isn't the same.

Heat is trapped. Ambient temperature goes up.

What is different, other than mechanism?

Here. I'll post Rogue's quote again.

but the way it retains heat is fundamentally different as a greenhouse works by reducing airflow, isolating the warm air inside the structure so that heat is not lost by convection.

The warm air isn't isolated inside the structure so the heat is not lost. How can you say this results in the same effect?

Have you ever heard of "Radiative cooling"? CO2 doesn't trap radiant heat as "effectively" as a real greenhouse. Any greenhouse. So... when you say that CO2 cause the same "effect". You're purposely being deceptive.

Did you know that there can be a temperature swing of 70 F in the desert from day to night time? Did you? So much for the effectiveness of CO2 trapping heat.

Can you please try to build your own greenhouse using "CO2" for walls. I think you should devote your life to the effort.

It seems like you're being dense on purpose.

Take three ice cubes.

Put on one the counter in front of a fan, the other in the microwave, the other in your lit
fireplace. They all melt, but at different rates and by different mechanisms.

Same effect, different mechanism. This isn't that hard.

Then claim global warming is due to microwave gasses. 

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

What is the source of your skepticism about anthropogenic climate change?

It has nothing to do with theology.

1.  The reason it's called "Climate Change" now is because all the predictions regarding "Global Warming" never panned out.  Also, it's impossible to deny "Climate Change".  The globe may not be warming, but the climate is always changing.  How can anyone deny that?  They simply attach the word "anthropogenic" and hope nobody thinks about it.

2.  Climate Change (nee "Global Warming") was based on flawed and fraudulent data.  The methodology was completely unscientific, because it attempted to prove causation by showing (faked) correlation.  Even if the correlation was real, it wouldn't prove causation. 

3.  Speaking of causation, Climate Change believers (global warming believers) based their conclusions on the faulty premise of correlation = causation.  Now that CO2 continues to increase and the world is cooling, the consistent conclusion would be that increased CO2 must cause global cooling.  Yet you'll never hear anyone say that unless they can turn it into #3 below. 

4.  It's all about political power (the ability to control anything and anyone that produces CO2) and money (the ability to tax, regulate, buy and sell carbon credits, with a huge slice going into the pockets of politicians and their business cronies).

LOl, I find myself agreeing with the Tomato. There I said it.

Yes, it was cooling, then warming, and now Global Climate Change (which I am fond of saying it can go either way and they still get it right).

Scripturally without scripture (yeah, I know) but basically subscribing to a young earth creationist viewpoint, a lot of scientific evidence is mis-dated. Pre-flood evidence is listed as millions perhaps billions of years old instead of thousands, and this timeline affect many of the conclusions drawn. In addition, facts are either left out or obscured.

Here are a few things not being considered in the discussion in the thread.

The little ice age of the 1400's.
http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/american-indians/timeline-terms/little-ice-age
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/new-and-cool/is_earth_still_recovering_from_the_little_ice_age1
To me this is substantial evidence of cooling and warming trends that occur much more rapidly but with less intensity than scientists report.

Missing data
Consider this report
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10294082/Global-warming-No-actually-were-cooling-claim-scientists.html
And this one.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html
Read the blue box center column below the picture of "August 2013", the data is being fudged.

And the one that has not even hit the thread at all is talk of H2O. CO2 is only one of many gasses in the atmosphere, and contrary to mainstream reporting and charts and graphs, it is not the most prolific.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/human-co2-smaller-than-natural-emissions-basic.htm
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

Can we find warming and cooling trends? Yes. Is man creating this? No. Resoundingly no.

 

[christundivided]

Fine. I'll concede I was wrong about the exact mechanism.

But I still would like to know why you think labeling CO2 a greenhouse gas is deceptive.

The mechanism is different, but the effect is the same. You've conceded that CO2 has the effect. So you just object to the name?

The effect isn't the same.

Heat is trapped. Ambient temperature goes up.

What is different, other than mechanism?

Here. I'll post Rogue's quote again.

but the way it retains heat is fundamentally different as a greenhouse works by reducing airflow, isolating the warm air inside the structure so that heat is not lost by convection.

The warm air isn't isolated inside the structure so the heat is not lost. How can you say this results in the same effect?

Have you ever heard of "Radiative cooling"? CO2 doesn't trap radiant heat as "effectively" as a real greenhouse. Any greenhouse. So... when you say that CO2 cause the same "effect". You're purposely being deceptive.

Did you know that there can be a temperature swing of 70 F in the desert from day to night time? Did you? So much for the effectiveness of CO2 trapping heat.

Can you please try to build your own greenhouse using "CO2" for walls. I think you should devote your life to the effort.

It seems like you're being dense on purpose.

Take three ice cubes.

Put on one the counter in front of a fan, the other in the microwave, the other in your lit
fireplace. They all melt, but at different rates and by different mechanisms.

Same effect, different mechanism. This isn't that hard.

Then claim global warming is due to microwave gasses.

You can't get him to be honest with the scenario.

 

[christundivided]

Fine. I'll concede I was wrong about the exact mechanism.

But I still would like to know why you think labeling CO2 a greenhouse gas is deceptive.

The mechanism is different, but the effect is the same. You've conceded that CO2 has the effect. So you just object to the name?

The effect isn't the same.

Heat is trapped. Ambient temperature goes up.

What is different, other than mechanism?

Here. I'll post Rogue's quote again.

but the way it retains heat is fundamentally different as a greenhouse works by reducing airflow, isolating the warm air inside the structure so that heat is not lost by convection.

The warm air isn't isolated inside the structure so the heat is not lost. How can you say this results in the same effect?

Have you ever heard of "Radiative cooling"? CO2 doesn't trap radiant heat as "effectively" as a real greenhouse. Any greenhouse. So... when you say that CO2 cause the same "effect". You're purposely being deceptive.

Did you know that there can be a temperature swing of 70 F in the desert from day to night time? Did you? So much for the effectiveness of CO2 trapping heat.

Can you please try to build your own greenhouse using "CO2" for walls. I think you should devote your life to the effort.

It seems like you're being dense on purpose.

Take three ice cubes.

Put on one the counter in front of a fan, the other in the microwave, the other in your lit
fireplace. They all melt, but at different rates and by different mechanisms.

Same effect, different mechanism. This isn't that hard.

So "rate" has nothing to do with overall effect?

A greenhouse isn't a "greenhouse".... unless it can effectively increase the temperature to the degree that it provides tangible results.

If you were a greenhouse builder.....your business is NOT going to be effective.... if you're building your greenhouses with CO2 walls.

 

[ddgently]

Fine. I'll concede I was wrong about the exact mechanism.

But I still would like to know why you think labeling CO2 a greenhouse gas is deceptive.

The mechanism is different, but the effect is the same. You've conceded that CO2 has the effect. So you just object to the name?

The effect isn't the same.

Heat is trapped. Ambient temperature goes up.

What is different, other than mechanism?

Here. I'll post Rogue's quote again.

but the way it retains heat is fundamentally different as a greenhouse works by reducing airflow, isolating the warm air inside the structure so that heat is not lost by convection.

The warm air isn't isolated inside the structure so the heat is not lost. How can you say this results in the same effect?

Have you ever heard of "Radiative cooling"? CO2 doesn't trap radiant heat as "effectively" as a real greenhouse. Any greenhouse. So... when you say that CO2 cause the same "effect". You're purposely being deceptive.

Did you know that there can be a temperature swing of 70 F in the desert from day to night time? Did you? So much for the effectiveness of CO2 trapping heat.

Can you please try to build your own greenhouse using "CO2" for walls. I think you should devote your life to the effort.

It seems like you're being dense on purpose.

Take three ice cubes.

Put on one the counter in front of a fan, the other in the microwave, the other in your lit
fireplace. They all melt, but at different rates and by different mechanisms.

Same effect, different mechanism. This isn't that hard.

So "rate" has nothing to do with overall effect?

A greenhouse isn't a "greenhouse".... unless it can effectively increase the temperature to the degree that it provides tangible results.

If you were a greenhouse builder.....your business is NOT going to be effective.... if you're building your greenhouses with CO2 walls.

My gosh! It's a coined-phrase! A metaphor!

You can't discern when something is meant in the literal sense and when it's used to illustrate a point that would otherwise be hard to explain.

 

[ddgently]

Scripturally without scripture (yeah, I know) but basically subscribing to a young earth creationist viewpoint, a lot of scientific evidence is mis-dated. Pre-flood evidence is listed as millions perhaps billions of years old instead of thousands, and this timeline affect many of the conclusions drawn. In addition, facts are either left out or obscured.

This was partially my suspicion. That those with a YEC theology are, by nature, extremely skeptical of mainstream science.

But I wonder still why climate change? What about it strikes you as so outside-the-realm-of-possibilities that makes you think there's a vast conspiracy to mislead the public about it?

 

[christundivided]

Fine. I'll concede I was wrong about the exact mechanism.

But I still would like to know why you think labeling CO2 a greenhouse gas is deceptive.

The mechanism is different, but the effect is the same. You've conceded that CO2 has the effect. So you just object to the name?

The effect isn't the same.

Heat is trapped. Ambient temperature goes up.

What is different, other than mechanism?

Here. I'll post Rogue's quote again.

but the way it retains heat is fundamentally different as a greenhouse works by reducing airflow, isolating the warm air inside the structure so that heat is not lost by convection.

The warm air isn't isolated inside the structure so the heat is not lost. How can you say this results in the same effect?

Have you ever heard of "Radiative cooling"? CO2 doesn't trap radiant heat as "effectively" as a real greenhouse. Any greenhouse. So... when you say that CO2 cause the same "effect". You're purposely being deceptive.

Did you know that there can be a temperature swing of 70 F in the desert from day to night time? Did you? So much for the effectiveness of CO2 trapping heat.

Can you please try to build your own greenhouse using "CO2" for walls. I think you should devote your life to the effort.

It seems like you're being dense on purpose.

Take three ice cubes.

Put on one the counter in front of a fan, the other in the microwave, the other in your lit
fireplace. They all melt, but at different rates and by different mechanisms.

Same effect, different mechanism. This isn't that hard.

So "rate" has nothing to do with overall effect?

A greenhouse isn't a "greenhouse".... unless it can effectively increase the temperature to the degree that it provides tangible results.

If you were a greenhouse builder.....your business is NOT going to be effective.... if you're building your greenhouses with CO2 walls.

My gosh! It's a coined-phrase! A metaphor!

You can't discern when something is meant in the literal sense and when it's used to illustrate a point that would otherwise be hard to explain.

Even metaphors make sense. This is like comparing an ant to an elephant. Yes. They both "take a wiz"....... but one wiz will pretty much kill the other.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

But I wonder still why climate change? What about it strikes you as so outside-the-realm-of-possibilities that makes you think there's a vast conspiracy to mislead the public about it?

They mislead the public about it because it suits their political (marxist) and financial agenda.  The UN is using it to redistribute wealth from the USA to poorer countries.  Countries like China laugh at us like the idiots we are for buying into this nonsense while they just crank out CO2 and not worry about where they're getting their energy. 

China also laughs at us because they're going to get oil from Canada that we rejected.  We rejected it because of "global warming".  The fact that we KNEW it would go to China if we rejected the oil makes our rejection total idiocy.  Not only did we pass on massive job creation, we did NOT protect the environment by turning down the pipeline.  Or, does our government think China can magically burn oil without producing any CO2? 

The USA is using the misinformation to redistribute wealth from its citizens to its politicians and business cronies. 

I don't think everyone gets on the phone and conspires together.  They don't have to.  They all have the same goals in mind.  So they cooperate in perpetuating the lie because it serves their interests. 

Pssst... as much as I hate to break it to you -- don't look now, but the government and the media lies to you all the time.  Really.  I had proof of this, but it disappeared when my hard drive crashed and was recycled. 

 

[ddgently]

But I wonder still why climate change? What about it strikes you as so outside-the-realm-of-possibilities that makes you think there's a vast conspiracy to mislead the public about it?

They mislead the public about it because it suits their political (marxist) and financial agenda.  The UN is using it to redistribute wealth from the USA to poorer countries.  Countries like China laugh at us like the idiots we are for buying into this nonsense while they just crank out CO2 and not worry about where they're getting their energy. 

China also laughs at us because they're going to get oil from Canada that we rejected.  We rejected it because of "global warming".  The fact that we KNEW it would go to China if we rejected the oil makes our rejection total idiocy.  Not only did we pass on massive job creation, we did NOT protect the environment by turning down the pipeline.  Or, does our government think China can magically burn oil without producing any CO2? 

The USA is using it to redistribute wealth from its citizens to its politicians and business cronies. 

I don't think everyone gets on the phone and conspires together.  They don't have to.  They all have the same goals in mind.  So they cooperate in perpetuating the lie because it serves their interests. 

Pssst... as much as I hate to break it to you -- don't look now, but the government and the media lies to you all the time.  Really.  I had proof of this, but it disappeared when my hard drive crashed and was recycled.

And your alternative information comes from altruistic saints that just want to make the truth known?

No economic interest in continuing to consume one of the most profitable commodities on the planet, is there now?

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

Scripturally without scripture (yeah, I know) but basically subscribing to a young earth creationist viewpoint, a lot of scientific evidence is mis-dated. Pre-flood evidence is listed as millions perhaps billions of years old instead of thousands, and this timeline affect many of the conclusions drawn. In addition, facts are either left out or obscured.

This was partially my suspicion. That those with a YEC theology are, by nature, extremely skeptical of mainstream science.

But I wonder still why climate change? What about it strikes you as so outside-the-realm-of-possibilities that makes you think there's a vast conspiracy to mislead the public about it?

Money. This is a very money driven issue.

Consider war for example. We can theologize and politicize about war, but there are huge dollars driving it as well. Well, this issue is the same. There is huge money in retrofitting existing structures to meet new codes and guidelines from industrial equipment to housing. Big money is using pandemic problems to drive people to spend money on things they don't need. Vaccines for pandemic diseases that are over dramatized for the sake of selling preventions for instance.

Global climate change is another one of those issues. Create a problem where one doesn't exist. Mandate the solution. Now, either people pay for the solution, or we spend their money through governmental appropriation. Many, many pockets are lined in the process. Consider the amount of money being spent on R&D for alternative energy sources, or the money spent on failed alternative sources like California's wind farms.

The root of this is money money money not save the planet. The hypocrisy of the "green" crowd is incredible. Research David Suzuki and his 8.2 million dollar home, or the fact that he is on the take from corporations to sell their agenda.

Money money money.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

But I wonder still why climate change? What about it strikes you as so outside-the-realm-of-possibilities that makes you think there's a vast conspiracy to mislead the public about it?

They mislead the public about it because it suits their political (marxist) and financial agenda.  The UN is using it to redistribute wealth from the USA to poorer countries.  Countries like China laugh at us like the idiots we are for buying into this nonsense while they just crank out CO2 and not worry about where they're getting their energy. 

China also laughs at us because they're going to get oil from Canada that we rejected.  We rejected it because of "global warming".  The fact that we KNEW it would go to China if we rejected the oil makes our rejection total idiocy.  Not only did we pass on massive job creation, we did NOT protect the environment by turning down the pipeline.  Or, does our government think China can magically burn oil without producing any CO2? 

The USA is using it to redistribute wealth from its citizens to its politicians and business cronies. 

I don't think everyone gets on the phone and conspires together.  They don't have to.  They all have the same goals in mind.  So they cooperate in perpetuating the lie because it serves their interests. 

Pssst... as much as I hate to break it to you -- don't look now, but the government and the media lies to you all the time.  Really.  I had proof of this, but it disappeared when my hard drive crashed and was recycled.

And your alternative information comes from altruistic saints that just want to make the truth known?

No economic interest in continuing to consume one of the most profitable commodities on the planet, is there now?

So you actually think that fossil fuel companies (which aren't as profitable as you think) are behind the skepticism?  You must think we're still in the Nixon administration, and live in a bizarro world where conservatives and profit-seeking oil companies control the media, public education and higher education. 

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Scripturally without scripture (yeah, I know) but basically subscribing to a young earth creationist viewpoint, a lot of scientific evidence is mis-dated. Pre-flood evidence is listed as millions perhaps billions of years old instead of thousands, and this timeline affect many of the conclusions drawn. In addition, facts are either left out or obscured.

This was partially my suspicion. That those with a YEC theology are, by nature, extremely skeptical of mainstream science.

But I wonder still why climate change? What about it strikes you as so outside-the-realm-of-possibilities that makes you think there's a vast conspiracy to mislead the public about it?

Money. This is a very money driven issue.

Consider war for example. We can theologize and politicize about war, but there are huge dollars driving it as well. Well, this issue is the same. There is huge money in retrofitting existing structures to meet new codes and guidelines from industrial equipment to housing. Big money is using pandemic problems to drive people to spend money on things they don't need. Vaccines for pandemic diseases that are over dramatized for the sake of selling preventions for instance.

Global climate change is another one of those issues. Create a problem where one doesn't exist. Mandate the solution. Now, either people pay for the solution, or we spend their money through governmental appropriation. Many, many pockets are lined in the process. Consider the amount of money being spent on R&D for alternative energy sources, or the money spent on failed alternative sources like California's wind farms.

The root of this is money money money not save the planet. The hypocrisy of the "green" crowd is incredible. Research David Suzuki and his 8.2 million dollar home, or the fact that he is on the take from corporations to sell their agenda.

Money money money.

^This.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Nothing demonstrates the insanity of the greenies better than the Keystone Pipeline.  They think that letting the oil go to China, which has a fraction of our regulations concerning pollution, will save the planet. 

 

[subllibrm]

Just heard a promo spot on Michigan Radio (NPR) for a expose' coming soon that will explain how climate change is causing a rise in allergy cases. I am sure the science behind it is nothing to sneeze at.  8)

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Just heard a promo spot on Michigan Radio (NPR) for a expose' coming soon that will explain how climate change is causing a rise in allergy cases. I am sure the science behind it is nothing to sneeze at.  8)

LOL.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming2.html

A list of (not quite) all things blamed on global warming.

Here's the list, but visit the site for links to the sources for each entry.

Acne , agricultural land increase , Afghan poppies destroyed , Africa devastated,  Africa in conflict, African aid threatened, African summer frost , aggressive weeds , air pressure changes , airport malaria , Agulhas current , Alaska reshaped, moves , allergy season longer , alligators in the Thames , Alps melting , Amazon a desert , American dream end , amphibians breeding earlier (or not) , anaphylactic reactions to bee stings , ancient forests dramatically changed , animals head for the hills, animals shrink , Antarctic grass flourishes , Antarctic ice grows , Antarctic ice shrinks , Antarctic sea life at risk,  anxiety treatment , algal blooms , archaeological sites threatened , Arab Spring , Arctic bogs melt , Arctic in bloom , Arctic ice free , Arctic ice melt faster , Arctic lakes disappear , Arctic tundra to burn , Arctic warming (not), Atlantic less salty , Atlantic more salty,  atmospheric circulation modified , attack of the killer jellyfish , avalanches reduced , avalanches increased , Baghdad snow , Bahrain under water , bananas grow , barbarisation , beer shortage , beetle infestation , bet for $10,000,  better beer, big melt faster, billion dollar research projects , billion homeless , billions face risk , billions of deaths , bird distributions change , bird loss accelerating , birds shrinking , bird strikes , bird visitors drop , birds confused , birds decline (Wales) , birds driven north , birds return early , bittern boom ends , blackbirds stop singing , blackbirds threatened , Black Hawk down , blood contaminated , blue mussels return , bluetongue , brain eating amoebae , brains shrink , bridge collapse (Minneapolis), Britain one big city , Britain Siberian , brothels struggle , brown Ireland , bubonic plague , budget increases , Buddhist temple threatened , building collapse , building season extension , bushfires , business opportunities , business risks,  butterflies move north, camel deaths , cancer deaths in England,cannibalism, cannibalism again , caterpillar biomass shift, cave paintings threatened , childhood insomnia, Cholera , circumcision in decline , cirrus disappearance , civil unrest , cloud increase , coast beauty spots lost , cockroach migration,  coffee threatened , cold climate creatures survive , cold spells (Australia) , cold wave (India) , computer models , conferences , conflict , conflict with Russia , consumers foot the bill , coral bleaching, coral fish suffer , coral reefs dying , coral reefs grow, coral reefs shrink , coral reefs twilight, Cabbage Shortage , cost of trillions , cougar attacks, crabgrass menace,  cradle of civilisation threatened , creatures move uphill, crime increase , crocodile sex, crops devastated , crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems , curriculum change , cyclones (Australia),  danger to kid's health , Darfur , Dartford Warbler plague , death rate increase (US) , deaths to reach 6 million, Dengue hemorrhagic fever , depression , desert advance , desert retreat , destruction of the environment , disappearance of coastal cities, disasters , diseases move from animals to humans , diseases move north , dog disease , Dolomites collapse , dozen deadly diseases , drought,  ducks and geese decline , dust bowl in the corn belt , early marriages , early spring , earlier pollen season , Earth biodiversity crisis , Earth dying , Earth even hotter , Earth light dimming , Earth lopsided, Earth melting , Earth morbid fever , Earth on fast track , Earth past point of no return , Earth slowing down , Earth spins faster, Earth to explode,Earth's poles shift, earth upside down , earthquakes , earthquakes redux , earthquakes redux 2 , Egypt revolt , El Niño intensification , end of the world as we know it , erosion , emerging infections, encephalitis, English villages lost , equality threatened , Europe simultaneously baking and freezing,  eutrophication , evolution accelerating , expansion of university climate groups,

extinctions (human , civilisation,  logic , Inuit , smallest butterfly , cod, ladybirds , pikas , polar bears,  possums , walrus,  toads , plants , salmon , trout , wild flowers , woodlice , a million species , half of all animal and plant species, mountain species , not polar bears , barrier reef , leaches , salamanders , tropical insects)

experts muzzled , extreme changes to California , fading fall foliage , fainting , famine, farmers benefit , farmers go under , farm output boost , fashion disaster , fever , figurehead sacked , fir cone bonanza , fish bigger , fish catches drop , fish downsize,  fish catches rise , fish deaf, fish get lost , fish head north , fish stocks at risk , fish stocks decline , five million illnesses, flames stoked , flesh eating disease , flood patterns change , floods,  floods of beaches and cities , flood of migrants, flood preparation for crisis , Florida economic decline , flowers in peril , fog (more) in San Francisco , fog (less) in San Francisco , food poisoning, food prices rise , food prices soar , food security threat (SA), football team migration , footpath erosion, forest decline , forest expansion , frog with extra heads , frostbite , frost damage increased , frosts , fungi fruitful , fungi invasion , games change , Garden of Eden wilts , geese decline in Hampshire , genetic diversity decline, gene pools slashed , giant oysters invade,  giant pythons invade , giant squid migrate , gingerbread houses collapse , glacial earthquakes , glacial retreat,  glacial growth , glacier grows (California) , glacier wrapped , global cooling , global dimming, glowing clouds , golf course to drown , golf Masters wrecked , grandstanding , grasslands wetter , Great Barrier Reef 95% dead , Great Lakes drop , great tits cope , greening of the North , Grey whales lose weight , Gulf Stream failure , habitat loss , haggis threatened , Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome,  harmful algae , harvest increase , harvest shrinkage , hay fever epidemic , health affected , health of children harmed, health risks, heart disease, heart attacks and strokes (Australia), heat waves, hibernation affected,  hibernation ends too soon, hibernation ends too late, high court debates, HIV epidemic, homeless 50 million, hornets, horses shrink, human development faces unprecedented reversal, human fertility reduced, human health risk , human race oblivion , hurricanes , hurricane reduction , hurricanes fewer , hurricanes not , hydropower problems , hyperthermia deaths , ice age , ice sheet growth , ice sheet shrinkage, icebergs , illegal immigration , illness and death , inclement weather , India drowning , infrastructure failure (Canada) , industry threatened , infectious diseases,  inflation in China , insect explosion, insurance premium rises , Inuit displacement , Inuit poisoned , Inuit suing , invasion of cats , invasion of crabgrass , invasion of herons , invasion of jellyfish , invasion of king crabs , invasion of midges,  island disappears , islands sinking , itchier poison ivy , jellyfish explosion , jets fall from sky , jet stream drifts north , Kew Gardens taxed , kidney stones , kidney stones again , killer cornflakes , killing us , kitten boom , koalas under threat , krill decline , lake and stream productivity decline, lake empties , lake shrinking and growing , landslides , landslides of ice at 140 mph , lawsuits increase, lawsuit successful,  lawyers' income increased (surprise surprise!) , lawyers want more , legionnaires' surge , lives saved , Loch Ness monster dead , Locust plagues suppressed , Longer wprk breaks , Lopsided Earth , lush growth in rain forests,  Malaria,  mammoth dung melt , mango harvest fails , Maple production advanced , Maple syrup shortage , marine diseases, marine food chain decimated, Meaching (end of the world) , Mediterranean rises , megacryometeors , Melanoma , Melanoma decline , meteors from space , methane emissions from plants , methane burps, methane runaway , melting permafrost , Middle Kingdom convulses , migration , migration difficult (birds) , migratory birds huge losses , microbes to decompose soil carbon more rapidly , minorities hit, monkeys on the move , Mont Blanc grows, monuments imperiled, moose dying, more bad air days,  more research needed, mortality increased, mountain (Everest) shrinking,  mountaineers fears,  mountains break up , mountains green and flowering,  mountains taller , mortality lower , murder higher ,  Myanmar cyclone , narwhals at risk , National security implications , native wildlife overwhelmed , natural disasters  quadruple , new islands , next ice age , NFL threatened, Nile delta damaged , noctilucent clouds , no effect in India, Northwest Passage opened, nuclear plants bloom, oaks dying , oaks move north,  ocean acidification , ocean acidification faster , ocean dead zones unleashed , ocean deserts expand , ocean waves speed up , oceans noisier , opera house to be destroyed , outdoor hockey threatened,  ozone repair slowed, ozone rise , Pacific dead zone , penguin chicks frozen, personal carbon rationing, pest outbreaks , pests increase, phenology shifts , plankton blooms , plankton destabilised , plants lose protein , plants march north, plants move uphill,  polar bears aggressive , polar bears cannibalistic, polar bears deaf,  polar bears drowning,  polar bears eating themselves,  polar tours scrapped , popcorn rise , porpoise astray , profits collapse, prostitution, psychiatric illness,  puffin decline,  radars taken out , railroad tracks deformed , rainfall increase , rape wave , refugees , reindeer endangered , release of ancient frozen viruses , resorts disappear , rice threatened, rice yields crash,  rift on Capitol Hill , rioting and nuclear war, Rise and Fall of Rome,    river flow impacted , rivers raised , roads wear out , robins rampant,  rocky peaks crack apart , roof of the world a desert, rooftop bars , Ross river disease , ruins ruined,  Russia under pressure , salinity reduction , salinity increase , Salmonella,  Salmon Decline,  satellites accelerate , school closures , sea level rise , sea level rise faster , seals mating more , sewer bills rise , severe thunderstorms , sex change, sexual promiscuity , shark attacks , sharks booming , sharks moving north , sheep shrink , shop closures , short-nosed dogs endangered , shrinking ponds, shrinking shrine , ski resorts threatened , skin cancer , slow death, smaller brains , smog , snowfall increase , snowfall heavy,  soaring food prices, societal collapse , soil change , songbirds change eating habits , sour grapes , space problem , spectacular orchids , spiders invade Scotland , squid aggressive giants , squid population explosion , squid tamed , squirrels reproduce earlier , stingray invasion , storms wetter , stormwater drains stressed , street crime to increase, subsidence , suicide , swordfish in the Baltic , Tabasco tragedy , taxes , tectonic plate movement , teenage drinking , terrorism , threat to peace , ticks move northward (Sweden) , tides rise , tigers eat people , tomatoes rot , tornado outbreak , tourism increase , trade barriers, trade winds weakened , traffic jams , transportation threatened , tree foliage increase (UK),  tree growth slowed , trees in trouble , trees less colourful , trees more colourful , trees lush , tropics expansion , tropopause raised , truffle shortage, truffles down , turtles crash , Turbulence in air travel , turtle feminised , turtles lay earlier , UFO sightings , UK coastal impact , UK Katrina , uprooted - 6 million , Vampire bats , Vampire moths , Venice flooded , violin decline , volcanic eruptions , volcanic eruptions redux , Iceland volcano eruption,  walrus pups orphaned , walrus stampede , war , war between US and Canada , wars over water , wars sparked , wars threaten billions , wasps , water bills double , water scarcity (20% of increase), water stress , weather out of its mind , weather patterns awry , Western aid cancelled out,  West Nile fever , whales lose weight , whales move north , whales wiped out , wheat yields crushed in Australia , wildfires, wind shift , wind reduced,  wine - harm to Australian industry , wine industry damage (California),  wine industry disaster (France),  wine - more English  wine industry disaster (US),  wine - more English , wine -  England too hot , wine -German boon , wine - no more French ,  wine passé (Napa) , wine stronger , winters in Britain colder , winter in Britain dead , witchcraft executions , wolves eat more moose , wolves eat less, workers laid off , World at war , World War 4 , World bankruptcy , World in crisis , World in flames , Yellow fever.

and all on 0.006 deg C per year!

 

[ddgently]

yeah... if the main global warming climate change etc etc advocates practiced what they preached... then maybe they would be taken seriously.

Obama, Al Gore... none of them really believe in it. If they did, their behavior would change.

Just like as believers we live sinless lives.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

yeah... if the main global warming climate change etc etc advocates practiced what they preached... then maybe they would be taken seriously.

Obama, Al Gore... none of them really believe in it. If they did, their behavior would change.

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Just like as believers we live sinless lives.

This is a misnomer tossed around all the time. When I got saved it certaiy didn't make me sinless, but it sure changed me. Am I perfect? No. Am I changed? Yes. And I am more changed now than I was 19 years ago when I got saved. I will never live sinless this side of heaven but by the grace of God I will continue to change.

Again, while those changes do not make me perfect, they ought to be consistent with what I believe.