Dallas Police murders.

[LongGone]

Item. The Kos Klowns are part of the same radical-industrial complex as BLM. I'm sure they're overjoyed that someone has just mass-murdered a bunch of authority figures. I have less than zero interest in their race-bating, inciteful hate rhetoric.

Item. There's no link from that particular domestic terrorist to Fox News - only what the Kos Kiddies say "may have" happened. Could be != was. On the other hand, when the radicals have been shouting "What do we want? Dead cops" in the streets, and suddenly there are dead cops in the streets - at a BLM-organized rally, at that, and where the perp apparently claimed to be doing the deed in their name - there is considerably less speculation needed about the link between the rhetoric and the resulting mass murders. (Though of course the ignorant media and government couldn't discern the motive of the Orlando shooter even after he dialed 911 and claimed it was in the name of ISIS. Being a leftist is prima facie evidence that God didn't bless someone with an abundance of brains.)

Item. The "dead cops" rhetoric of the BLM race-baiters led to last nights cop killings. If non-Islamic domestic terrorism led to Fox not reporting it, that is not a moral equivalence. In fact it is no equivalence at all.

Item. We already know Smellin's moral compass has been knocked off-axis.  The reminders are getting monotonous, and the attempts to persuade us that two wrongs do in fact make a right are feeble. Come up with something better.

The facts as we know them now is that this was one lone shooter during a peaceful demonstration. The responsibility lies with this shooter.

 

[Route_70]

The chickens have come home to roost.

 

[Sherryh]

praying for America!!

 

[NorrinRadd]

How did this happen?

Because of the inflammatory rhetoric of violent, racist hate groups like Black Lives Matter, which has been given credence in the media.

So you would then agree Fox News is just as guilty of terrorism as BLM.

That is 'fair and balanced'.

Remember when insurrection was a crime rather than a virtue?

Yeah, let's go back to the founding fathers of the USA to see if they thought insurrection was virtuous or criminal.

Per Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution, they believed Congress should have the power to evoke the Militia to suppress insurrections.  So apparently they had a less than sanguine view of same.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

How did this happen?

Because of the inflammatory rhetoric of violent, racist hate groups like Black Lives Matter, which has been given credence in the media.

So you would then agree Fox News is just as guilty of terrorism as BLM.

That is 'fair and balanced'.

Remember when insurrection was a crime rather than a virtue?

Yeah, let's go back to the founding fathers of the USA to see if they thought insurrection was virtuous or criminal.

Per Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution, they believed Congress should have the power to evoke the Militia to suppress insurrections.  So apparently they had a less than sanguine view of same.

Perhaps, but it appears their idea of an insurrection would be the overthrow of government:

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Peaceful protest (such as BLM in this instance) is allowed. In fact, the DPD and BLM were getting along fine with no incidents. DPD did not provoke nor did the BLM protestors attempt to harm the officers in mob fashion. There was no attempt to overthrow government and no indication of an organized threat of violence from BLM. To set up the idea this protest was an "insurrection" is nothing more than a political strawman.

 

[FSSL]

The BLM is a farce and political straw man. The BLM has been at the center of violence since its inception.

It is not a monolithic group. It includes the Nation of Islam and New Black Panthers and Black Power. Have you ever seen a Black Power person deny that #BlackLivesMatter?

There is no seeking of justice on their part. It is all about the blacks having the right to ignore the "innocent before proven guilty" standard.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Item. The Kos Klowns are part of the same radical-industrial complex as BLM. I'm sure they're overjoyed that someone has just mass-murdered a bunch of authority figures. I have less than zero interest in their race-bating, inciteful hate rhetoric.

I might read a Kos article 2-3 times a year, if research sends me that way. I don't rely on them as an actual news source.

I don't know enough about them to determine as to whether or not there was glee in this tragedy. You might be right that there are those thoughts and feelings among them.

Item. There's no link from that particular domestic terrorist to Fox News - only what the Kos Kiddies say "may have" happened. Could be != was. On the other hand, when the radicals have been shouting "What do we want? Dead cops" in the streets, and suddenly there are dead cops in the streets - at a BLM-organized rally, at that, and where the perp apparently claimed to be doing the deed in their name - there is considerably less speculation needed about the link between the rhetoric and the resulting mass murders. (Though of course the ignorant media and government couldn't discern the motive of the Orlando shooter even after he dialed 911 and claimed it was in the name of ISIS. Being a leftist is prima facie evidence that God didn't bless someone with an abundance of brains.)

Actually, I agree with you concerning their lack of evidence. But the Republicans are just as guilty.

President Barack Obama's Republican adversaries piled on the criticism on Friday after he turned the overnight Dallas police massacre into a political platform ? and then grinned from ear to ear as he reconnected with world leaders at a NATO summit in Poland.

Obama and British Prime Minister David Cameron, both on their way out of office soon, seemed in a particularly light-hearted mood despite the day's grim and dominant subject matter.

The pair laughed and joked with fellow leaders as they posed for a group picture and yukked it up as photographers kept snapping.

Hours earlier Obama had sermonized about the deaths of five police Texas police officers upon landing in Warsaw, saying that 'when people are armed with powerful weapons, unfortunately it makes it more deadly and more tragic.'

'And in the days ahead we are going to have to consider those realities as well.'

Republicans slam grinning Obama for politicizing Dallas police massacre as he laughs his way through NATO summit

So Obama laughs and jokes with NATO chums and he is joking about the cops getting shot. Yeah, right. BOTH political parties are guilty of skewing the facts to spin their side.

Item. The "dead cops" rhetoric of the BLM race-baiters led to last nights cop killings. If non-Islamic domestic terrorism led to Fox not reporting it, that is not a moral equivalence. In fact it is no equivalence at all.

So cops not killing blacks unfairly played no part in his hate? Would BLM even exist without police brutality, time and time again against blacks? (And why does it have to be a BLM social writer to expose cops shooting a white, unarmed teen? Where is the "All Lives Matter" group on this?)

Item. We already know Smellin's moral compass has been knocked off-axis.  The reminders are getting monotonous, and the attempts to persuade us that two wrongs do in fact make a right are feeble. Come up with something better.

I've given much thought to that first sentence you posted. Did some serious reflection because it was a specific analogy. I disagree. My moral compass may be pointing a different direction than it used to, but it certainly hasn't been knocked off-axis.

And my 'monotonous' reminders are not to show that "2 wrongs = 1 right" but rather "2 wrongs" are BOTH wrong, that neither side has moral superiority nor intelligence over the other. Shooting police officers or violence of any kind toward police officers is NOT an acceptable response for their actions against others. Labeling all cops as 'murderers of blacks' is just as wrong as labeling all blacks as potentially dangerous criminals. BOTH are wrong. Blaming this on BLM rhetoric is just as equivalent as blaming the Bible for the actions of the KKK and LRA.

Rev. James Howell makes a plea for us followers of Christ to consider:

Why do these things happen?  It?s no one thing.  It?s a lot of things.  But we get derailed, because somebody somewhere always has some vested interest in one of the things, so each one gets shot down (literally) and nothing changes.  It is the whole toxic mess of woes that bedevils us.  No one I know is optimistic things will change.  But somewhere inside each of us, and in our collective national psyche, aren?t we ?prisoners of hope? (Zechariah 9:12)?  And what is hope anyhow?  Not a na?ve assumption things will just perk up tomorrow, or the more na?ve assumption that our prayers will cause God to do a little razzle-dazzle magic and fix things for us.  St. Augustine said that ?Hope has two beautiful daughters. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to see to it that they don?t remain the way they are.?

We prisoners of hope have to end our prayers, or find what the end of our prayers ought to be, which is deciding with great courage to do something.  Something is profoundly wrong with regard to race in America.  We can toss blame back and forth.  But when will we engage in the long labor of listening, building trust, and insisting on equal treatment before the law?  Something is terribly wrong about guns.  Oh, the rights people leap forward and warn us society would crumble without even more guns!  But what we?re doing now most clearly isn?t working.

Something is flat out crazy about the entertainment industry and our addiction to it.  We are appalled by violence in the streets ? but we clearly have a taste for it, since we flock in to movies and stare dumbly at TV shows where the shooting is constant.

Something is insanely wicked about government.  Gridlock is too nice a term for what we?re saddled with.  Laws and policies need changing, but one side is hell-bent on destroying any good idea the other side might happen to have.  Something is embarrassingly woeful about our political process.  We vote for the loudest, most shrill people who feed our fears and prejudices.  Isn?t it conceivable that we might say Amen after our prayers and seek out leaders who are wise and good, who appeal to the best in us?

Something is out of kilter economically.  Equal opportunity is a vain notion.  White privilege is real, although whites can?t see it.  Society is arranged for the benefit of white people.  If you?re white and want to rise up and stomp on me for saying this, fine ? but our denial of white privilege isn?t getting anybody anywhere.  What if, for a change, we actually listened to people who aren?t white and gave them at least a little benefit of the doubt?  And something is way out of sync with our education system.  Educational equity is a pipe dream right now.  We have settled for unequal education, and then we are surprised by the long-term results.

Something is killing us from the inside ? and that is fear.  Terrorists around the world try to induce fear.  But we are clustering around fear ourselves quite well without their help.  News media and pundits and politicians and just everybody fan the flames of fear.  And there is a lot to be afraid of.  But is it possible to stand up to our fears, to expose them and find ways to build a world that knows higher pursuits than security?  Can we figure out that more and more force never resolves fear but only raises the stakes?

I could go on and on.  Something is really wrong in America.  Everything I have named is real.  Each one is something that mortifies God.  Pray if you wish ? but God wants us to find the end to our praying and do something.  With each one, something really can be done, and in a decade or two we really could have a safer society that would be more pleasing to the God we pray to for help.  We can turn off any TV show where a gun is fired.  We can resource our schools more equitably.  We can elect different people.  We could pass some gun law, any gun law, if only to make a statement.  We could connect with people who are different instead of judging them.  We could enthusiastically support our police and rebuild trust with them ? but only if we also are willing to hold the small minority of them who exceed their authority accountable.

We can be different.  We can be the people God uses to be the answer to our own prayers.

It's Time for the End to our Prayers

 

[Ransom]

James Howell is a liberal squish, and the god he worships is a wuss.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

The BLM is a farce and political straw man. The BLM has been at the center of violence since its inception.

It is not a monolithic group. It includes the Nation of Islam and New Black Panthers and Black Power. Have you ever seen a Black Power person deny that #BlackLivesMatter?

Can you please show me the OFFICIAL stance of the BLM group that includes those other groups or publicly promotes violence against whites?

There is no seeking of justice on their part. It is all about the blacks having the right to ignore the "innocent before proven guilty" standard.

How are they ignoring "innocent before proven guilty" when they are getting shot in the back while unarmed, cuffed and rough-ridden in a paddy wagon without reason for arrest or ever proven guilty? If that system of justice were in place to begin with, you would make a valid point. Until that happens and blacks don't have to fear seeing blue lights behind them, even when they are innocent of any wrong doing, your point cannot even be considered. Level the playing field and then we can better deal with it.

 

[FSSL]

FSSL: "Have you ever seen a Black Power person deny that #BlackLivesMatter?"

Smellin Coffee: [no answer-diversion noted]"Can you please show me the OFFICIAL stance of the BLM group that includes those other groups or publicly promotes violence against whites?"

You don't understand #BlackLivesMatter. It is not a "group," it is an ideology started on a lie in Ferguson, MO and promoted/shared by violent extremists who deny the "innocent before proven guilty" standard.

Smellin: How are they ignoring "innocent before proven guilty" when they are (blah blah blah)

FSSL: Officer Darren Wilson

Here is a picture of the peaceful BLM movement "kill cops" movement:

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

The BLM is a farce and political straw man. The BLM has been at the center of violence since its inception.

It is not a monolithic group. It includes the Nation of Islam and New Black Panthers and Black Power. Have you ever seen a Black Power person deny that #BlackLivesMatter?

Can you please show me the OFFICIAL stance of the BLM group that includes those other groups or publicly promotes violence against whites?

There is no seeking of justice on their part. It is all about the blacks having the right to ignore the "innocent before proven guilty" standard.

How are they ignoring "innocent before proven guilty" when they are getting shot in the back while unarmed, cuffed and rough-ridden in a paddy wagon without reason for arrest or ever proven guilty? If that system of justice were in place to begin with, you would make a valid point. Until that happens and blacks don't have to fear seeing blue lights behind them, even when they are innocent of any wrong doing, your point cannot even be considered. Level the playing field and then we can better deal with it.

You simply parrot what you read in the 'unbiased press' and loon website you frequent. Those arguments are only effective when read by low information people and when there is no rebuttal given.
Facts and truth are pesky things....

Are there corrupt police officers?
Yes and there are corrupt almost anything else you might list.

Should corrupt police officers be punished?
Yes, but not tried and convicted in the liberal press before all of the evidence is presented.
Exhibit A for that is the Baltimore prosecutors biased rush to judgment. If would be embarrassing if progressive liberal's were capable of being embarrassed.
But, if these recent police shootings were murders, the policemen involved should be severely punished!!

As to the rash of police shootings, Dallas at the forefront...can you honestly believe that the BLM lies and ongoing reheotoric play no part?
"pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon'? If your answer to that is no it played no part, you are naive...no, stupid at best. Blatantly dishonest at worst.

It is possible to respect police officers while at the same time expecting them to be held to high standards.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Year # Officers Deaths
1984 184
1985 176
1986 179
1987 183
1988 196
1989 195
1990 160
1991 149
1992 161
1993 158
1994 179
1995 184
1996 140
1997 173
1998 171
1999 145
2000 162
2001 241
2002 159
2003 150
2004 165
2005 163
2006 156
2007 192
2008 149
2009 125
2010 161
2011 171
2012 131
2013 109
2014 122
2015 123

Reagan years, 1984-1988, 1593 police officers died in the line of duty. Obama years (first 7 listed), 1091. During the rise of the "Police Hating BLM" group, 2013-2015, there is a notable DECREASE in police fatalities over the three-year span.

Source

YEAR     DEATHS* ASSAULTS** ASSAULTS WITH INJURIES**
2004 165       59,692       16,737
2005 163       57,820       16,072
2006 156       59,396       15,916
2007 192       61,257       15,736
2008 148       61,087       15,554
2009 125       57,268       14,948
2010 161       56,491       14,744
2011 171       55,631       14,798
2012 126       53,867       14,678
2013 107       49,851       14,565

Source

                            2005 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 Total
Aircraft Accident       2 3 3 3 4 2 1 3 1 0 22
Auto Crash             43 46 61 44 39 51 44 26 28 32 414
Beaten                       0 1 0 1 0 2 2 2 0 0 8
Bicycle Accident       0 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 3
Boating Accident       0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 3
Bomb-Related Incident 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 1 0 4
Drowned                       4 0 4 1 0 3 4 1 2 2 21
Electrocuted               0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 3
Fall                               4 0 3 0 0 1 4 4 6 0 22
Fire-Related Incident 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Horse-Related Accident 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1
Job-Related Illness     24 21 20 24 18 21 20 11 16 18 193
Motorcycle Crash       5 11 10 9 3 6 5 8 5 6 68
Poisoned                       0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Shot                             60 54 70 41 50 60 73 50 33 49 539
Stabbed                     1 1 0 2 0 0 2 5 2 0 13
Strangled                0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 2
Struck by Falling Object 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3
Struck by Train               1 0 0 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 4
Struck by Vehicle     16 16 14 18 11 13 10 14 12 10 134
Terrorist Attack     1         1 5 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 8


Looks like the Obama/BLM movement to assassinate more police officers is a miserable failure!

 

[qwerty]

Looks like the Obama/BLM movement to assassinate more police officers is a miserable failure!

It makes you sad, doesn't it....



But again, you and your little pet project is a farce.  You have aligned yourself with a movement that does not have the statistics to support itself.  Despite the videos and outcry, the fairy-tale that blacks are targeted are not supported by fact....just in the minds of the indoctrinated and feeble.

 

[FSSL]

Sanford, Florida: Zimmerman acquitted.
Ferguson, MO: Wilson acquitted.
Baltimore, MD: 5 police officers acquitted...

All events that were formative of the BLM movement. YET, BLM continues to lose every case because of lies and lying "witnesses" and now we look forward to an increase in Black Power. Their demonstrations are violent, destructive and now end up in the murder of the innocent.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Sanford, Florida: Zimmerman acquitted.
Ferguson, MO: Wilson acquitted.
Baltimore, MD: 5 police officers acquitted...

All events that were formative of the BLM movement. YET, BLM continues to lose every case because of lies and lying "witnesses" and now we look forward to an increase in Black Power. Their demonstrations are violent, destructive and now end up in the murder of the innocent.

Or it could be proof the system really is rigged.

Oh, here is a BLM protestor at the shooting who didn't get BLM's message of violence either:

The Rev. Jeff Hood, one the organizers of the protests, said the goal of the rally was to create "a space where anger could be let out. We were interested in creating a space where people could grieve. We were interested in creating a space where people could network to face head-on the problem of police brutality in our country."

He added, "We left that rally in a nonviolent fashion. After leaving the rally, I heard 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop' in succession. Immediately when I heard the shots, I looked up, and I saw what I believe were two police officers that went down."

"The sergeant ran towards the shooting. I ran the opposite direction ? was screaming, 'Run, run! Active shooter, active shooter! Run, run!' And I was trying to get folks out as fast as I could ? During that moment, I lost track of my wife. I didn't find her again for three and a half hours," Hood said.

"I spent those three hours talking to people asking the question, 'Why, why? Why is this happening?' The only answer I know now and the only answer I knew then was turn to love. We've got to turn to love. We got to stop shooting," he said. "This is a devastating time for the city of Dallas. It's a devastating time for us as activists and organizers."

Source

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Looks like the Obama/BLM movement to assassinate more police officers is a miserable failure!

It makes you sad, doesn't it....

It makes me sad there are still way too many numbers in that graph.

But again, you and your little pet project is a farce.  You have aligned yourself with a movement that does not have the statistics to support itself.  Despite the videos and outcry, the fairy-tale that blacks are targeted are not supported by fact....just in the minds of the indoctrinated and feeble.

Read The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander. Then come back and make your argument.

 

[Twisted]

But again, you and your little pet project is a farce.  You have aligned yourself with a movement that does not have the statistics to support itself.  Despite the videos and outcry, the fairy-tale that blacks are targeted are not supported by fact....just in the minds of the indoctrinated and feeble.

Read The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander. Then come back and make your argument.

Are you arguing with yourself?

 

[qwerty]

Read The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander. Then come back and make your argument.

Does that link mysteriously change facts and statistics?  If so, will bookmark it for when I buy a lottery ticket.

Facts, blacks ?commit homicide at close to eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined.?  In 2014 black Americans constituted only about 13 percent of the population, they represented a majority of the homicide and robbery arrests. 82 percent of all gun deaths in the black community are from homicide. For whites, 77 percent of gun deaths are suicides.

Your faux BLM outrage should be directed inward....but when you are part of a self-centered movement, it is always the other persons fault.  Same story when you were at FBCH right? 

Chicago:

 

[FSSL]

Or it could be proof the system really is rigged.

Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the DOJ all could not put a case together in these three situations.

An overly aggressive Democrat prosecutor in Baltimore lost three cases she was confident she would win.

If these were rigged, then why the opposite judgments?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Read The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander. Then come back and make your argument.

Does that link mysteriously change facts and statistics?  If so, will bookmark it for when I buy a lottery ticket.

Facts, blacks ?commit homicide at close to eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined.?  In 2014 black Americans constituted only about 13 percent of the population, they represented a majority of the homicide and robbery arrests. 82 percent of all gun deaths in the black community are from homicide. For whites, 77 percent of gun deaths are suicides.

Your faux BLM outrage should be directed inward....but when you are part of a self-centered movement, it is always the other persons fault.  Same story when you were at FBCH right? 

Chicago:

Interesting how the graft you use is for Chicago only and from the site "heyjackass.com". Naw, they aren't biased in any way, I'm sure.

(sarcasm off now)

In case you didn't notice, this "rage" (as you call it) IS directed inward: to our society which is primarily white. And being a white male, it is my culture so it involves me as well.

On any given day in the United States there are 731,000 people sitting in more than 3,000 jails. Despite the country growing safer?with violent crime down 49 percent and property crime down 44 percent from their highest points more than 20 years ago?annual admissions to jails nearly doubled between 1983 and 2013 from six million to 11.7 million, a number equivalent to the combined populations of Los Angeles and New York City and nearly 20 times the annual admissions to state and federal prisons. Not only are more people ending up in jail today compared to three decades ago, those who get there are spending more time behind bars, with the average length of stay increasing from 14 days to 23 days.

Although jails serve an important function in local justice systems?to hold people deemed too dangerous to release pending trial or at high risk of flight?this is no longer primarily what jails do or whom they hold. Three out of five people in jail are unconvicted of any crime and are simply too poor to post even low bail to get out while their cases are being processed. Nearly 75 percent of both pretrial detainees and sentenced offenders are in jail for nonviolent traffic, property, drug, or public order offenses. Underlying the behavior that lands people in jail, there is often a history of substance abuse, mental illness, poverty, failure in school, and homelessness. Moreover, jailing practices have had a disproportionate impact on communities of color. Nationally, African Americans are jailed at almost four times the rate of white Americans despite their making up only 13 percent of the U.S. population. Locally, disparities can be even starker: in New York City, for example, blacks are jailed at nearly 12 times and Latinos more than five times the rate of whites.

Although most defendants admitted to jail over the course of a year are released within hours or days, rather than weeks or months, even a short stay in jail can have dire consequences. Research has shown that spending as few as two days in jail can increase the likelihood of a sentence of incarceration and the harshness of that sentence, reduce economic viability, promote future criminal behavior, and worsen the health of the largely low-risk defendants who enter them?making jail a gateway to deeper and more lasting involvement in the criminal justice system at considerable costs to the people involved and to society at large.

Summary Source

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