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Oh here we go......

I don't have to speak to him about it. He was robbing God's people. I don't need his permission to tell others about it.

Tell me, do you ask a robber why he's trying to steal your money or do you yell "look"...."help".... "COPS"?

Again you act as if I haven't heard all of this many many times before. David never listened to anyone but himself. That is why he's pastored so many churches and been an "evangelist" many times over. The church he starts pastoring can't take his neglect from being an "evangelist"..... they kick him out or he gets in trouble for something he's did that people don't like and he moves on to the next place.... claiming "God leads"....
So this part of the NT does not apply to you?

Matthew 18
15 “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.
 

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So this part of the NT does not apply to you?

Matthew 18
15 “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.
That verse has nothing to do with it.

No IFB preacher has ever stopped his sermon on how whimpy Billy Graham is to call Billy Graham and discuss it first. All your appeal to this verse is.... is hypocritical nonsense.

Did you send me a PM before you started telling me how wrong I was? Hypocrite.

Maybe you pastor hasn't preached on it lately, you wouldn't know.
 

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That verse has nothing to do with it.

No IFB preacher has ever stopped his sermon on how whimpy Billy Graham is to call Billy Graham and discuss it first. All your appeal to this verse is.... is hypocritical nonsense.

Did you send me a PM before you started telling me how wrong I was? Hypocrite.

Maybe you pastor hasn't preached on it lately, you wouldn't know.
You call it hypocritical nonsense I call it Scripture. Seems like your argument is since some IFBs don't follow it, you choose to ignore Scripture just like them. I keep tellin' you your not as different from the IFB as you think you are.
 

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You call it hypocritical nonsense I call it Scripture. Seems like your argument is since some IFBs don't follow it, you choose to ignore Scripture just like them. I keep tellin' you your not as different from the IFB as you think you are.
You say I'm not different than you and then you speed hundreds of words trying to say I am? Yeah. Right.....

I haven't gotten a PM from you EVER. So when have you been obeying Matthew 18:15 by your own standard?

You haven't hypocrite.
 

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You say I'm not different than you and then you speed hundreds of words trying to say I am? Yeah. Right.....

I haven't gotten a PM from you EVER. So when have you been obeying Matthew 18:15 by your own standard?

You haven't hypocrite.
So than you acknowledge we are both in the wrong?
 

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No. I acknowledge that you're a hypocrite for demanding something of me that you're doing yourself.
So you only follow the NT when it lines up with the teachings of Treasure? You sure your not still IFB?
 

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So you only follow the NT when it lines up with the teachings of Treasure? You sure your not still IFB?
You don't believe what you demand I believe about Matthew 18:15. That makes you an hypocrite. I feel no need to follow you in hypocrisy.

I do follow the NT and I'm fine with Matthew 18:15. I haven't broken it.

What you fail to realize is.... The premise of Matthew 18 only works when no one knows about what is being discussed. When it is open sin, Matthew 18:15 doesn't apply. Matthew is talking about a personal interaction between individuals.

I mean seriously.... If anyone is talking about it....then "private" doesn't apply.
 

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You don't believe what you demand I believe about Matthew 18:15. That makes you an hypocrite. I feel no need to follow you in hypocrisy.

I do follow the NT and I'm fine with Matthew 18:15. I haven't broken it.

What you fail to realize is.... The premise of Matthew 18 only works when no one knows about what is being discussed. When it is open sin, Matthew 18:15 doesn't apply. Matthew is talking about a personal interaction between individuals.

I mean seriously.... If anyone is talking about it....then "private" doesn't apply.
Some pretty good acrobatics to get around that.
 

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Some pretty good acrobatics to get around that.
No acrobatic at all. I'm sorry you always been taught wrong. I really am. God knows I am.

You've believed tradition over what God said. You applied Matthew 18:15 in tradition form.

What I did was appeal to exactly what it says.

Matthew 18:15 is talking about private unknown sin that exists between people. We are not to run around "INTRODUCING" sins of another that are between YOU and YOUR BROTHER...ALONE.

Get it? Just read and believe what it says.

Open sin and the open monetization of God's little children should be dealt with publicly.
 

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The little creepy critical clown (Treasure, who so easily feels threatened & who twists everyone's words) is talking about the guy below..........of course it's on a forum where the singer/pastor is not participating or posting.

BTW, I do not know CT & I have never met him.

 

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You ever heard of a gentleman by the name if Billy Graham? If not, you should do your research in what great change he brought to this world as an Evangelist. Once you read it, please sit down and shut up.
 

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You ever heard of a gentleman by the name if Billy Graham? If not, you should do your research in what great change he brought to this world as an Evangelist. Once you read it, please sit down and shut up.
Please list the "great change" to the world that BG brought.
 

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LOL... that usually only works one way. Let me know when you "IFB" pastor starts inviting TB to preach for him. Or any southern baptist for that matter.

There are just a few that will but they're eaten alive by traditional IFBdom.

Just why do you think Phil Kidd, Craig Edwards and the like are facing such hostility? I suppose facts don't entire into your "worldview".

I have preached for IFB Pastors...more than a few times.
 

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Please list the "great change" to the world that BG brought.
I'm surprised that you know who Billy Graham was!
After all, he's no Saluter Protruder Macgruder!!!!!
 

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The little creepy critical clown (Treasure, who so easily feels threatened & who twists everyone's words) is talking about the guy below..........of course it's on a forum where the singer/pastor is not participating or posting.

BTW, I do not know CT & I have never met him.

You promised to "grab 2 hands full of your lapels & put you against a wall".....

That is what you promised. I said that was a threat. I didn't say I felt threatened. You need to understand the difference. I can assure you that the police are more than capable of handling you. I know you feel big and bad but you're not. They'll put you in jail just like any other criminal. The way you're acting, it seems that you're more than comfortable ignoring your Christianity to try and harm someone. You will not succeed with me.
 
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You ever heard of a gentleman by the name if Billy Graham? If not, you should do your research in what great change he brought to this world as an Evangelist. Once you read it, please sit down and shut up.
CT Townsend is just one of a long line of ego maniacs that lined their pockets with "God's money" in the name of "changing the world".
 

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Bite your tongue!
No treasure is not, has never been and never will be wrong!
Haymaaan.
I have repeatedly said was wrong about being a IFB. I have repeatedly said I have changed dramatically over the last 35 years of my life with Christ. You're lying.
 
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