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[Smellin Coffee]

A shame that Philip lied to the Ethiopian Eunuch, then.

And Luke repeated the lie...

earnestly contend

Some prophecies have dual fulfillment in one way or another. Matthew 8:17 is an example from this passage in Isaiah:

That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick. This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: ?He took our illnesses and bore our diseases.?

Just as this dual prophecy which was about both Israel AND the Messiah, portions of Isaiah 53 are certainly can have dual fulfillment. Jesus was like a lamb, killed in His innocence.

He was like a sheep led to be slaughtered; like a lamb silent before the shearer, he does not open his mouth. He was humiliated and denied justice. Who will tell about his descendants, since his life has been taken from the earth?'

I do believe this dual fulfillment. What it does not say, is that the sacrifice was for the sins of the whole world.

I am NOT Jewish. I did post a Jewish response to Jim Jones' post. Why? Because that is how John the Baptist would have understood Isaiah 53 in context of his background when he claimed, "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world." John's context was not that about sacrifice.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

If you are right, then I should be ok because I have attempted to live a good life. I have shown charity to the poor, clothed those who had no clothes, fed many who were hungry, did many wonderful works in his name  and on and on. I can only hope it was enough & I could only hope we will be together in Heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23  Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I'm in a time crunch at the moment but can respond to all later. Just realize your proof text verse (which happens to be 'red letters') contradicts your statement.

 

[Ransom]

A shame that Philip lied to the Ethiopian Eunuch, then.

And Luke repeated the lie...

Obviously,  Jesus couldn't be trusted to pick reliable people to spread his message after he was gone.

 

[sword]

If you are right, then I should be ok because I have attempted to live a good life. I have shown charity to the poor, clothed those who had no clothes, fed many who were hungry, did many wonderful works in his name  and on and on. I can only hope it was enough & I could only hope we will be together in Heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23  Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I'm in a time crunch at the moment but can respond to all later. Just realize your proof text verse (which happens to be 'red letters') contradicts your statement.

If your right then were both good, I will just have been a little misguided.

If I'm right then its going to be a very long eternity.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

If you are right, then I should be ok because I have attempted to live a good life. I have shown charity to the poor, clothed those who had no clothes, fed many who were hungry, did many wonderful works in his name  and on and on. I can only hope it was enough & I could only hope we will be together in Heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23  Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I'm in a time crunch at the moment but can respond to all later. Just realize your proof text verse (which happens to be 'red letters') contradicts your statement.

If your right then were both good, I will just have been a little misguided.

If I'm right then its going to be a very long eternity.

So do we trust the recorded words/gospel of Jesus or the recorded words/gospel of Paul? This is where the gamble is.

Kinda like entering a talent contest. Do we trust what the judge says will be the criteria by which we are judged or do we trust the recruiter?

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

If you are right, then I should be ok because I have attempted to live a good life. I have shown charity to the poor, clothed those who had no clothes, fed many who were hungry, did many wonderful works in his name  and on and on. I can only hope it was enough & I could only hope we will be together in Heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23  Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I'm in a time crunch at the moment but can respond to all later. Just realize your proof text verse (which happens to be 'red letters') contradicts your statement.

If your right then were both good, I will just have been a little misguided.

If I'm right then its going to be a very long eternity.

So do we trust the recorded words/gospel of Jesus or the recorded words/gospel of Paul? This is where the gamble is.

Kinda like entering a talent contest. Do we trust what the judge says will be the criteria by which we are judged or do we trust the recruiter?

But, in the end, you're judged on YOUR talent and YOUR performance.
Good luck with that.

 

[Ransom]

So do we trust the recorded words/gospel of Jesus or the recorded words/gospel of Paul?

Um . . . yes.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

A shame that Philip lied to the Ethiopian Eunuch, then.

And Luke repeated the lie...

Obviously,  Jesus couldn't be trusted to pick reliable people to spread his message after he was gone.

Yeah, like the twelve. They failed so He had to appear in special revelations to Paul to spread the message they failed to deliver.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

A shame that Philip lied to the Ethiopian Eunuch, then.

And Luke repeated the lie...

Obviously,  Jesus couldn't be trusted to pick reliable people to spread his message after he was gone.

Yeah, like the twelve. They failed so He had to appear in special revelations to Paul to spread the message they failed to deliver.

Now THAT is a brilliant argument!
Bwaaaah!

 

[Smellin Coffee]

If you are right, then I should be ok because I have attempted to live a good life. I have shown charity to the poor, clothed those who had no clothes, fed many who were hungry, did many wonderful works in his name  and on and on. I can only hope it was enough & I could only hope we will be together in Heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23  Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I'm in a time crunch at the moment but can respond to all later. Just realize your proof text verse (which happens to be 'red letters') contradicts your statement.

If your right then were both good, I will just have been a little misguided.

If I'm right then its going to be a very long eternity.

So do we trust the recorded words/gospel of Jesus or the recorded words/gospel of Paul? This is where the gamble is.

Kinda like entering a talent contest. Do we trust what the judge says will be the criteria by which we are judged or do we trust the recruiter?

But, in the end, you're judged on YOUR talent and YOUR performance.
Good luck with that.

The Judge never said we'd be judged on His...

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

If you are right, then I should be ok because I have attempted to live a good life. I have shown charity to the poor, clothed those who had no clothes, fed many who were hungry, did many wonderful works in his name  and on and on. I can only hope it was enough & I could only hope we will be together in Heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23  Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I'm in a time crunch at the moment but can respond to all later. Just realize your proof text verse (which happens to be 'red letters') contradicts your statement.

If your right then were both good, I will just have been a little misguided.

If I'm right then its going to be a very long eternity.

So do we trust the recorded words/gospel of Jesus or the recorded words/gospel of Paul? This is where the gamble is.

Kinda like entering a talent contest. Do we trust what the judge says will be the criteria by which we are judged or do we trust the recruiter?

But, in the end, you're judged on YOUR talent and YOUR performance.
Good luck with that.

The Judge never said we'd be judged on His...

So, what exactly is the criteria upon which our salvation will be 'judged'?
You seem to be the only one with the truth.
I know, because you told me.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

If you are right, then I should be ok because I have attempted to live a good life. I have shown charity to the poor, clothed those who had no clothes, fed many who were hungry, did many wonderful works in his name  and on and on. I can only hope it was enough & I could only hope we will be together in Heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23  Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I'm in a time crunch at the moment but can respond to all later. Just realize your proof text verse (which happens to be 'red letters') contradicts your statement.

If your right then were both good, I will just have been a little misguided.

If I'm right then its going to be a very long eternity.

So do we trust the recorded words/gospel of Jesus or the recorded words/gospel of Paul? This is where the gamble is.

Kinda like entering a talent contest. Do we trust what the judge says will be the criteria by which we are judged or do we trust the recruiter?

But, in the end, you're judged on YOUR talent and YOUR performance.
Good luck with that.

The Judge never said we'd be judged on His...

So, what exactly is the criteria upon which our salvation will be 'judged'?

Reply #59 in this thread, for starters.

http://www.fundamentalforums.org/the-fighting-forum/fake-media-stories/msg176227/#msg176227

You seem to be the only one with the truth.

What gives you that idea? Because I support the RL of truth doesn't mean I am "the only one with the truth".

I know, because you told me.

Jesus said of some "who believed Him":

You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Something must have hit a nerve with you since you have now resorted from demeaning sarcasm to outright lying. I can handle it. I've had a pastor lie about me publicly before.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

If you are right, then I should be ok because I have attempted to live a good life. I have shown charity to the poor, clothed those who had no clothes, fed many who were hungry, did many wonderful works in his name  and on and on. I can only hope it was enough & I could only hope we will be together in Heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23  Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I'm in a time crunch at the moment but can respond to all later. Just realize your proof text verse (which happens to be 'red letters') contradicts your statement.

If your right then were both good, I will just have been a little misguided.

If I'm right then its going to be a very long eternity.

So do we trust the recorded words/gospel of Jesus or the recorded words/gospel of Paul? This is where the gamble is.

Kinda like entering a talent contest. Do we trust what the judge says will be the criteria by which we are judged or do we trust the recruiter?

But, in the end, you're judged on YOUR talent and YOUR performance.
Good luck with that.

The Judge never said we'd be judged on His...

So, what exactly is the criteria upon which our salvation will be 'judged'?

Reply #59 in this thread, for starters.

http://www.fundamentalforums.org/the-fighting-forum/fake-media-stories/msg176227/#msg176227

You seem to be the only one with the truth.

What gives you that idea? Because I support the RL of truth doesn't mean I am "the only one with the truth".

I know, because you told me.

Jesus said of some "who believed Him":

You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Something must have hit a nerve with you since you have now resorted from demeaning sarcasm to outright lying. I can handle it. I've had a pastor lie about me publicly before.

No!
I have not and am not lying bout you or misrepresenting your non position.
That mishmash of random context verses does not a way of salvation make!
And, you are the arbiter of truth in your religion.
You determine which verses are and are not viable!
Those are pretty much matters of public record here....considering your entire 'body of work'.

I ask you again. Please summarize 'your' understanding of how one actually gets into heaven? What is the way of salvation, the narrow way Jesus spoke of?

How do you know if you're on it?

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Smellin: What gives you that idea? Because I support the RL of truth doesn't mean I am "the only one with the truth".

That's great.
Please provide a link to someone else articulating what you believe about the way of salvation. Not a mish mash of mumbo- jumbo out of context verses but a concise statement of what you....or they (wink, wink) believe.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

No!
I have not and am not lying bout you or misrepresenting your non position.
That mishmash of random context verses does not a way of salvation make!
And, you are the arbiter of truth in your religion.
You determine which verses are and are not viable!
Those are pretty much matters of public record here....considering your entire 'body of work'.

I ask you again. Please summarize 'your' understanding of how one actually gets into heaven? What is the way of salvation, the narrow way Jesus spoke of?

How do you know if you're on it?

I pasted the link. Too bad it isn't a simple "1-2-3, pray after me" source. Seems the narrow way is a lot harder (the things I quoted from Jesus) than "believe in a particular religious dogma" and be saved.

But to put a skeleton on it, I agree with John who put it like this:

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world?our faith. Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?...God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son...Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

1. Believing Jesus is who He says He is: the Son of God.
2. Loving others.
3. Obedience to God. That doesn't mean perfection because we cannot be perfect.
4. Overcome the world.
5. Faith.
6. Possess the Son through obedience to His earthly teachings (relative to #3).

This is fleshed out in obedience to Jesus through HIS recorded teachings (see the list in Post #59) and application by the Holy Spirit.

And yes, you were lying when you said of me:

You seem to be the only one with the truth. I know, because you told me.

Please show me where I said I as the only one who had the truth. Just because I post rebuttal to traditional Christian theology doesn't mean I think I am some kind of spiritual guru or monopolize truth, because I am not and I don't.



So when are you going to include Matthew 6:14-15 in your salvation message? Have you ever done so?

If you forgive those who sin against you, your heavenly Father will forgive you. But if you refuse to forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

No!
I have not and am not lying bout you or misrepresenting your non position.
That mishmash of random context verses does not a way of salvation make!
And, you are the arbiter of truth in your religion.
You determine which verses are and are not viable!
Those are pretty much matters of public record here....considering your entire 'body of work'.

I ask you again. Please summarize 'your' understanding of how one actually gets into heaven? What is the way of salvation, the narrow way Jesus spoke of?

How do you know if you're on it?

I pasted the link. Too bad it isn't a simple "1-2-3, pray after me" source. Seems the narrow way is a lot harder (the things I quoted from Jesus) than "believe in a particular religious dogma" and be saved.

But to put a skeleton on it, I agree with John who put it like this:

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world?our faith. Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?...God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son...Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

1. Believing Jesus is who He says He is: the Son of God.
2. Loving others.
3. Obedience to God. That doesn't mean perfection because we cannot be perfect.
4. Overcome the world.
5. Faith.
6. Possess the Son through obedience to His earthly teachings (relative to #3).

This is fleshed out in obedience to Jesus through HIS recorded teachings (see the list in Post #59) and application by the Holy Spirit.

And yes, you were lying when you said of me:

You seem to be the only one with the truth. I know, because you told me.

Please show me where I said I as the only one who had the truth. Just because I post rebuttal to traditional Christian theology doesn't mean I think I am some kind of spiritual guru or monopolize truth, because I am not and I don't.



So when are you going to include Matthew 6:14-15 in your salvation message? Have you ever done so?

If you forgive those who sin against you, your heavenly Father will forgive you. But if you refuse to forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins.

That is as clear as Jesus explicitly saying there can only be 12 apostles.
Your posts here, with your arbitrary choosing what is true scripture and what isn't, makes you the arbiter of truth by default.
The fact that you deny that while offering your own version of the truth (and scripture) sends a confusing and conflicting message.
At least you're consistent...consistently confused and confusing!

Is there another poster here who has been able to see Smellin's belief system and doesn't think he is arbitrary in his selection of what is true and what scripture is canon worthy, please explain it to me. Perhaps I'm just missing something.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Questions for Smellin as to his personal religion:

Was Jesus virgin born?
And, why does that matter.

Did Jesus live a perfect, sinless life?
And why does that matter?

Was Jesus death necessary or just a whim of the cultural times?
Why does that matter?

Do you believe that the veil in the temple was torn at His crucifixion?
What is the significance of this, if any?

Was the resurrection necessary?
Why or why not?

 

[sword]

If you are right, then I should be ok because I have attempted to live a good life. I have shown charity to the poor, clothed those who had no clothes, fed many who were hungry, did many wonderful works in his name  and on and on. I can only hope it was enough & I could only hope we will be together in Heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23  Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I'm in a time crunch at the moment but can respond to all later. Just realize your proof text verse (which happens to be 'red letters') contradicts your statement.

If your right then were both good, I will just have been a little misguided.

If I'm right then its going to be a very long eternity.

So do we trust the recorded words/gospel of Jesus or the recorded words/gospel of Paul? This is where the gamble is.
Kinda like entering a talent contest. Do we trust what the judge says will be the criteria by which we are judged or do we trust the recruiter?

We believe both. They are all his words and they all work together.

Remember God used men to record the red words also, and he used scribes to copy them for us.
I'm "sure" the scribes hated using their expensive "red" ink when they did their work.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Questions for Smellin as to his personal religion:

Was Jesus virgin born?
And, why does that matter.

Did Jesus live a perfect, sinless life?
And why does that matter?

Was Jesus death necessary or just a whim of the cultural times?
Why does that matter?

Do you believe that the veil in the temple was torn at His crucifixion?
What is the significance of this, if any?

Was the resurrection necessary?
Why or why not?

Bump

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Questions for Smellin as to his personal religion:

Was Jesus virgin born?
And, why does that matter.

Did Jesus live a perfect, sinless life?
And why does that matter?

Was Jesus death necessary or just a whim of the cultural times?
Why does that matter?

Do you believe that the veil in the temple was torn at His crucifixion?
What is the significance of this, if any?

Was the resurrection necessary?
Why or why not?

Bump