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Quite a lot about said on this forum about pastors who have fallen into sin and been removed from the pulpit. Typically, things don't end well for such a pastor. They either try to wriggle their way back behind a pulpit and end up, at best, in a "ministry" that has the spector of his past sin looming overhead or the former pastor walks away from the faith altogether.

Do you think things can end well for a disgraced pastor? If so, what does that look like? Does anyone know someone who fell and biblically repented? What does their life look like now?
 
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Quite a lot about said on this forum about pastors who have fallen into sin and been removed from the pulpit. Typically, things don't end well for such a pastor. They either try to wriggle their way back behind a pulpit and end up, at best, in a "ministry" that has the spector of his past sin looming overhead or the former pastor walks away from the faith altogether.

Do you think things can end well for a disgraced pastor? If so, what does that look like? Does anyone know someone who fell and biblically repented? What does their life look like now?
I am guessing there are a good number of them. They are likely faithful members of their Church and selling Real Estate or something. They may teach a Sunday School class and encourage their pastor/elders and otherwise keep a low profile and you never hear from them.

There is one I know of personally, an Evangelist who headed a large prison ministry, I really looked up to him and considered working with him after I left the Navy. I was quite saddened to hear of his "fall from grace." My understanding is he was never "caught" but confessed a "single act of indiscretion," repented, and left the ministry. His FB page mentions nothing of ministry, only that he is selling real estate.
 
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Quite a lot about said on this forum about pastors who have fallen into sin and been removed from the pulpit.
That is the unusual part. So many don't remove them. They either step down themselves or stay and continue, or more commonly, go somewhere else.

I'm thinking of one young man who pastored in California. The church did remove him. I can't even remember what he did, but he's now in another state seeking a different career.

We could write a book on those who stayed on or went somewhere else.
 
I am guessing there are a good number of them. They are likely faithful members of their Church and selling Real Estate or something. They may teach a Sunday School class and encourage their pastor/elders and otherwise keep a low profile and you never hear from them.
You definitely make a valid point. Perhaps the vast majority of men who have fallen from positions of leadership were never "big name" types and have gone on to serve quietly reaching out to others who have stumbled.

I guess when one thinks of pastors who have fallen, their minds gravitate toward the megachurch types. I'm guilty of this myself. They are the most visible and their stories garner the headlines.
 
That is the unusual part. So many don't remove them. They either step down themselves or stay and continue, or more commonly, go somewhere else.

I'm thinking of one young man who pastored in California. The church did remove him. I can't even remember what he did, but he's now in another state seeking a different career.

We could write a book on those who stayed on or went somewhere else.
If he's seeking a different career, that is a very good thing. We need to be supportive of those who do the right thing and step down after they have disqualified themselves for whatever reason.

My preference would be for the man to remain in the congregation to where he is accountable and from there seek restoration to fellowship (not to his position of ministry).
 
My preference would be for the man to remain in the congregation to where he is accountable and from there seek restoration to fellowship (not to his position of ministry).
In some cases, yes, but if the offense involves adultery, that may not be wise. While there should be forgiveness and grace, some sins are of such a nature to destroy human relationships to a point where interactions between the offender and the offended are to be eliminated. This is NOT about forgiveness; it's about decorum. Even in forgiveness, there are still consequences.
 
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Quite a lot about said on this forum about pastors who have fallen into sin and been removed from the pulpit. Typically, things don't end well for such a pastor. They either try to wriggle their way back behind a pulpit and end up, at best, in a "ministry" that has the spector of his past sin looming overhead or the former pastor walks away from the faith altogether.

Do you think things can end well for a disgraced pastor? If so, what does that look like? Does anyone know someone who fell and biblically repented? What does their life look like now?
I know a couple two or three pastors who ended up disgraced and removed from ministry for a time. One divorced his wife, moved in with his lover, and they had four children. They married during that time, and the new wife got saved. It took nearly fifteen years, but this former pastor repented and came back to the Lord. He isn't a Sr. pastor, but, he is the youth director, and handles the college and career-aged people in his church. He's been serving now for ten years and is doing quite well. Another one of the preachers left the ministry voluntarily after being caught with porn on his computer at church, and on his phone. He was also involved in a homosexual relationship with a man in the church. His wife continued to stand by him, though he refused to repent. After two years his homosexual partner in the relationship committed suicide. This former pastor ended up in a mental hospital with depression. He repented and started to make an attempt at going back into the ministry, but, many people would not let him do so. He wasn't allowed to be around any kids, especially males, and many people pulled out of the church when they found out about his past. He has since left church altogether and holds Bible studies in his home for people who feel neglected/dejected by their churches. It's not going so well with him. The others are all out of the ministry as far as being pastors, but, are doing things in their churches and working outside of the ministry.
Is it possible for them to have a success story? For many I would say "yes." But, alas, for many, it's not to be. They have neither the character, nor the drive to do what is necessary to live the life of a pastor.
 
That is the unusual part. So many don't remove them. They either step down themselves or stay and continue, or more commonly, go somewhere else.

I'm thinking of one young man who pastored in California. The church did remove him. I can't even remember what he did, but he's now in another state seeking a different career.

We could write a book on those who stayed on or went somewhere else.
I wonder if it's the same man I was thinking of, except he wasn't so young.
 
He repented and started to make an attempt at going back into the ministry, but, many people would not let him do so. He wasn't allowed to be around any kids, especially males, and many people pulled out of the church when they found out about his past. He has since left church altogether and holds Bible studies in his home for people who feel neglected/dejected by their churches. It's not going so well with him.
You touch on a couple issues I have pondered when I made the OP.

First, as I have already alluded to, is the fact that sexual sins carry with them consequences that forgiveness doesn't cover. Oftentimes, when trust is violated, it's violated till death. Forgiveness applies only to the penalty and the victim's "right" of restitution. Broken trust isn't restored by forgiveness.

Second, is the need of the offender to receive grace. Whereas, broken trust can be a tricky obstacle, Grace is still needed. Whether the person was a pastor or a layman, grace and restoration are needed because the repentant offender still has a relationship with God. Those who are able, those who have not been violated, need to extend that grace. Paul speaks of this kind of restoration in 2 Corinthians.
 
You touch on a couple issues I have pondered when I made the OP.

First, as I have already alluded to, is the fact that sexual sins carry with them consequences that forgiveness doesn't cover. Oftentimes, when trust is violated, it's violated till death. Forgiveness applies only to the penalty and the victim's "right" of restitution. Broken trust isn't restored by forgiveness.

Second, is the need of the offender to receive grace. Whereas, broken trust can be a tricky obstacle, Grace is still needed. Whether the person was a pastor or a layman, grace and restoration are needed because the repentant offender still has a relationship with God. Those who are able, those who have not been violated, need to extend that grace. Paul speaks of this kind of restoration in 2 Corinthians.
So true. I know that though the one had recovered most of his ministerial ability, or at least the ability to use it, some still don't trust him, though he's shown now signs of possibly falling into the same situations.
 
In some cases, yes, but if the offense involves adultery, that may not be wise. While there should be forgiveness and grace, some sins are of such a nature to destroy human relationships to a point where interactions between the offender and the offended are to be eliminated. This is NOT about forgiveness; it's about decorum. Even in forgiveness, there are still consequences.
If the adultery occurred under the cover of authority as a pastor and the "other party" is also in the Church, then it is probably best that they leave but they need to be accountable wherever they happen to land and this involves communication between the two congregations so each are aware of the situation. Such is hard to enforce with so many Baptists out there asserting their "autonomy!"
 
This is not the same, but in a similar vein. Bear with me. I was a member of a mega church, a strong, conservative one, with a well-known evangelical Author and Theologian as pastor. We had 3 campuses. One of the campuses had a young (say, 28-30) year old man helping with music. He had admitted to the elders in private that he had been addicted to homosexual pornography for many years, without any physical involvement with another man. Never dated a woman. His musical skills, and his stage presence was professional and excellent. People started asking him and the pastors/elders to have him hired as Musical/Worship pastor. When that process came around, his proclivities, sins, addiction started to kind of become public knowledge. The Elders came to the conclusion that his willingness to be subject to a process of repentance, rejection of homosexual ideas. etc were thorough enough to allow him to lead worship. Except for a couple elders. And what happened is that the elders made public his struggles and in the process, put soft edges on his years long addiction. Those couple elders made their objections official in writing.

What ended up happening? In my opinion, his powerful. charismatic personality outweighed the moral questions. One of those questioning elders, who had been an elder for over 20 years, left the church quietly.

My point is this: I've had a lot of experience working with pastors/elders who have fallen, being one myself. Going back into ministry always depends on the particular congregation, how well they have been instructed in what the Scriptures actually teach on the issue in question, and even more, how good of a preacher he is. There tends to be a lot of grace given to guys who are really good speakers. Not saying that is good or bad. Just saying it.
Having just read your post this is why people don't trust staff or if hes a good speaker. People can see right through it. I work in addiction and they are masters . WOW is all I can say
 
I was a member of a mega church, a strong, conservative one, with a well-known evangelical Author and Theologian as pastor.
I guess in Minnesota the definition of “strong, conservative church” is a tad bit different than down south. Talk about red flags and inviting trouble right through the front door of the church. Shameful.
 
I guess in Minnesota the definition of “strong, conservative church” is a tad bit different than down south. Talk about red flags and inviting trouble right through the front door of the church. Shameful.
Not quite. I lived in Minnesota, and in Wisconsin. The term means the same in both places, but I've found that it's a lot less consequential in the South. What the South calls "conservative" is far from it.
 
Not quite. I lived in Minnesota, and in Wisconsin. The term means the same in both places, but I've found that it's a lot less consequential in the South. What the South calls "conservative" is far from it.
I’d be interested in hearing an elaboration on this. How would you say the terms regionally differ?
 
Not sure what you mean. Are you referring to Fundamentalist churches or Southern Baptist. Because any SBC church who knows this church would say it is a strong, conservative church. Many even call it Fundamentalist.
I was just referring to the church you used to attend.
 
The worst thing is, in an open church business meeting, another elder defended him saying something like "We've examined him and found that he has sufficiently repented and reformed his ways." But what they did not say publicly was that he had been addicted to gay porn as recently as 2 years. Personally I think that warrants much more than an investigation. It warrants him sitting quietly for 5-10 years and submitting to accountability of the highest order, then starting in a less public ministry, not standing in front of people, leading the congregation in worship.
This makes much more sense to me. I guess I misunderstood your previous post.
 
I’d be interested in hearing an elaboration on this. How would you say the terms regionally differ?
I've lived in the South for over 30 years now, and the use of the term "conservative" includes a lot of gobbly-gook about family values, but, it includes the LGBTQ++++ groups, and has for over 10 years now. They talk about good, strong religious values, but include groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Black Lives Matter groups, but, won't include any of the groups that are caucasian that are conservative. Up North, where I was born and raised, they include most groups whether they agree with them or not. I wish they were as selective as the South is, but, more sympathetica and anti-discriminatory than the South.
 
The worst thing is, in an open church business meeting, another elder defended him saying something like "We've examined him and found that he has sufficiently repented and reformed his ways." But what they did not say publicly was that he had been addicted to gay porn as recently as 2 years. Personally I think that warrants much more than an investigation. It warrants him sitting quietly for 5-10 years and submitting to accountability of the highest order, then starting in a less public ministry, not standing in front of people, leading the congregation in worship.
When pastors fall they don't take just themselves but many people surrounding them. If what happened at fbc and I was a new christian I would have left and never looked back. I understand why !! I don't trust pastors they are not God...PS I'm not perfect
 
The longer I am a Christian and read the Bible and interact with churches of every size, the more I question the place of mega churches.
The sad thing about fbc the staff was kept there........what were they thinking. The same staff through all the trash
 
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