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abcaines said:
That's supposedly high end stuff. I tried it once. I was not impressed.
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I can't afford it, either. I never us it anyhow. We were given a bottle 20 years ago, but, I think I let my little brother have it. He's a casual drinker. I'd be happy with Ripple.
 
abcaines said:
At the risk of sounding like a prohibitionist, I have come to the conclusion that much of this stuff is an acquired taste.
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Sure. But virtually everything you eat or drink is an acquired taste: alcohol, coffee, strong-flavoured cheeses, sushi or sashimi, broccoli, Chinese food, you name it. I hated a huge number of foods as a kid; at 50, I have all of two things on my never-eat list: liver and creamed corn. If we didn't acquire a taste for food, we'd all end up in our 40s eating chicken fingers, peanut butter sandwiches, and macaroni and cheese before dying of malnutrition.

Unfortunately, acquiring a taste for whiskey, wine or beer requires drinking enough that one runs the risk of becoming an alcoholic in the process.
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That wasn't my experience. I didn't like rye whiskey--and to this day just thinking of rye and Coke makes me queasy--but I enjoyed other spirits. I didn't grow up in a teetotal family, but my parents wouldn't let me touch the stuff, and I wasn't an underage drinker, so I knew better than to binge on the moment I turned 19 and my roommate took me out for drinks.

If someone else would rather be teetotal, that's entirely up to them. As you said: let each be convinced in his own mind.
 
Ransom said:
As you said: let each be convinced in his own mind.
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My point exactly. If someone thinks differently, that's not my responsibility.

This whole abstinence thing is new to me. I've been on the anti-drinking bandwagon before but only because I was parroting what others were saying. Since putting the stuff down this time, I have completely lost my taste for it like never before. I'm speaking from my perspective and wondering what I ever saw in the stuff.
 
abcaines said:
My point exactly. If someone thinks differently, that's not my responsibility.

This whole abstinence thing is new to me. I've been on the anti-drinking bandwagon before but only because I was parroting what others were saying. Since putting the stuff down this time, I have completely lost my taste for it like never before. I'm speaking from my perspective and wondering what I ever saw in the stuff.
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Like the story of the guy who drinks three beers at a time in honor of his two brothers. One day he only orders two beers; not because one of his brothers had passed but because he and his wife had joined the Baptist Church and had to quit drinking. His abstinence did not affect his brothers though! :ROFLMAO:
 
I'm always amazed at how many Christians drink. Guess it comes down to upbringing and personal beliefs. I try not to judge and let everyone interpret the scriptures as they will. I am not a drinker and never have been. I feel God does not intend us to drink alcohol beyond for medical use but that's just me.. Those of you who drink, do you believe it's wrong but choose to do it anyway, do you just drink in moderation and feel that's ok, or do you believe it is permitted and fine for Christians to drink alcohol period.

Here are a few verses that come to mind. I will note the people i know who are drinkers tend to over drink and end up drunk. I realize this is not the case with everyone.

Ephesians 5:18 - And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit.

Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Isaiah 5:22 - Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:

Leviticus 10:9 - Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:

Proverbs 23:29-32 ​

29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?
30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.

Habakkuk 2:15
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!
 
sword said:
I'm always amazed at how many Christians drink. Guess it comes down to upbringing and personal beliefs.
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Also prohibitionism being a recent, radical movement of the mid-19th century, not the consensus of all Christians about what the Bible taught concerning alcohol. Teetotalling is a valid choice, but it's myopic to assume it's the only right choice.
 
Suppose, for the sake of argument, we say I was in sin every time I lifted an alcoholic drink to my lips. Since I went teetotal, that is one sin I have eliminated. One out of the many I still commit. I don't see how that improves my status before a Holy God much.
 
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I believe we should do all we can to live a biblical, separated, Holy Life.

That being said the Bible is clear that we have the old nature and are prone to sin no matter what. We attempt to live right in obedience to his command and not to win favor with God.

I also believe our best efforts to live a holy life are as filthy rags in the eyes of a righteous holy God and do not improve our status with the Holy Spirit.

I remind myself often that though we categorize sins, no God sin is sun weather disobeying the tragic laws, laziness, drinking alcohol or eating too much and not caring for our bodies, the temple of the Holy Spirit.
 
Those of you who drink, do you believe it's wrong, but choose to do it anyway? Do you just drink in moderation and feel that's ok, or do you believe it is permitted and fine for Christians to drink alcohol period.
 
sword said:
Those of you who drink, do you believe it's wrong, but choose to do it anyway? Do you just drink in moderation and feel that's ok, or do you believe it is permitted and fine for Christians to drink alcohol period.
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I don’t think drinking alcohol is a sin. I do think drunkenness is a sin. Ice cream is not a sin. Eating daily tubs of ice cream and getting obese is a sin. (BTW, for the record, I haven’t had alcohol in over three years, just by choice.)
 
The Bible seems to make it very clear that it's the "drunkenness" that is the sin, not the alcohol. Yet, for those who have addictive personalities/tendencies, I would not recommend being a drinker. My great-grandfather was a drinker/alcoholic, as was my late father-in-law. My wife's sister, who passed away on November 27, 2022, was an alcoholic...her younger sister is a problem drinker whom we classify as an alcoholic. She hasn't had a drink in over a year, but, the tendencies to take a drink are still there...her husband is an alcoholic who is also recovering. My wife and I will drink on occasion, but those times are few and far between.
 
AverageJoe said:
The Bible seems to make it very clear that it's the "drunkenness" that is the sin, not the alcohol. Yet, for those who have addictive personalities/tendencies, I would not recommend being a drinker. My great-grandfather was a drinker/alcoholic, as was my late father-in-law. My wife's sister, who passed away on November 27, 2022, was an alcoholic...her younger sister is a problem drinker whom we classify as an alcoholic. She hasn't had a drink in over a year, but, the tendencies to take a drink are still there...her husband is an alcoholic who is also recovering. My wife and I will drink on occasion, but those times are few and far between.
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My family on the paternal side (and a little on the maternal too) has serious issues handling their alcohol. My father, rest his soul, was a functioning alcoholic. It caused massive problems in the family as us boys were being raised. I know most people love their parents no matter what, and I'm in that group as well, but my understanding and respect for my dad is a very bifurcated one. When he didn't drink he was a wonderful and great man/dad, but those moments of sobriety were much less frequent than the opposite. I see a man who squandered real potential in life. I learned for that reason to despise alcohol and once I got saved at 19 years of age determined that I would break that chain of dysfunctionality related to booze. Joe, your statement about "addictive personalities" is a very sobering (haha, very punny of me 😁) statement, seriously, a great warning to those who would enter into that relationship with the bottle lightly. There's a reason why alcohol is mentioned so much in the Scriptures as a being deceptive and a mocker.

Having said all that, as I came into my fundamentalist roots I took an abstentionist position and presumed the Bible dictated that for all who professed Christ. As I grew in my understanding of Scriptures I came to the conclusion that I could not bind other people's consciences in prohibiting something that I didn't believe the Scriptures forbade (drinking, not drunkeness because as you said, it obviously speaks against that sort of imbibing).
 
sword said:
Those of you who drink, do you believe it's wrong, but choose to do it anyway? Do you just drink in moderation and feel that's ok, or do you believe it is permitted and fine for Christians to drink alcohol period.
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"It is before his own master that he stands or falls" (Rom. 14:4).

Deal with your own vices, and don't worry yourself about everyone else's.
 
speaking of rum..... in the past we used this to make chocolate rum cakes at christmas
..but eating one of those... (and only one).. is as close as i ever get to alcohol consumption
...my one and only experience with drinking.. which also coincided with my attempt to see
if i could live in a college dorm with friends - and be somewhat on my own.. ended in distaster...
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