I could never drink that hard stuff. 80 proof was my limit. Any stronger and it felt like getting kicked in the stomach.
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I used to drink all the hard liquor I could get my hands on. That was until I had someone tape me hanging upside down in a tree in 1981, acting like a monkey. That was a wake up call for me!
I wish my wake-up call was that dignified... probably wouldn't have been a wake up call for me.
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beer and pizza did that same thing to me...... i remember running to the bathroom because i was about to barf.. .. (as my dorm mates laughed)... . and some time after that (which i don;t remember) ..i got into the shower.... where i slipped... twisted both my knee and ankle.... hit my head against the wall - and went into a status seizure.. ...my friends didn;t know what to do and didn;t want to touch me coz i was not only still covered in barf but still seizing... so they called my dad in the middle of the night and he came a got me... wrapped me up in towels and blankets and took me to the emergency room...... ... that ended up being a wake up call on many different counts... ....never did that again....I could never drink that hard stuff. 80 proof was my limit. Any stronger and it felt like getting kicked in the stomach.
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I once took a shot of Bacardi 151 on a dare from some of my buddies in High School during one of our underage parties. Extremely harsh and had to chase it down with almost an entire beer to get rid of the taste and the "burn."I could never drink that hard stuff. 80 proof was my limit. Any stronger and it felt like getting kicked in the stomach.
I learned years later that Bacardi 151 was never intended for drinking and certainly not for drinking straight! Its intended use was for certain dishes or desserts like Flambe that you would set on fire before serving. In order for alcohol to burn, it needs to be at least 100 proof and since 151 is over 75% alcohol, it burns quite nice and makes for a good "Presentation" to the recipient at your more finer eating establishments. by the time the flames were put out, most of the alcohol had already burned off.
I was going to relate my run-in with 151 but decided that talking about it is shameful. Suffice it to say I was 17 and FOOLISH.
151 is the strongest alcohol that can be bought without a permit in many states, Idaho being one. I know because the guy who is our worship leader used to buy Everclear 190 for the pharmacy he worked for. They used it for their preparations that required a very pure ethanol.
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If I, as a member of the non elect, destined for a terrible end, have the wisdom to leave that spit alone, I don't understand why those of you who have "taken up your cross" and followed Christ, would even consider having to do with something that has caused so much harm to so many people. Realizing that drunkenness is a sin and alcohol leads to drunkenness, why would you play with fire. Why would you willingly cause confusion to those still weaning themselves on milk.
One too many bowls of ice cream and its resulting fat on one's self and one too many drinks and its resulting rage and violence on others, are not the same thing.
Such inconsistency saddens me.
One too many bowls of ice cream and its resulting fat on one's self and one too many drinks and its resulting rage and violence on others, are not the same thing.
Such inconsistency saddens me.
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i agree.. and i don;t understand why people drink alcohol either..... that one bad experience i wrote about.. born out of rebellion.... and influenced by people i never should have been listening to in the first place.... - was more than enough for me....
but there is another aspect of alcohol consumption i always wonder how other people can tolerate.... and that is the absolutely repulsive odor even one drink puts on a persons breath.... ...nothing takes it away and nothing can cover it... because it;s a volatile substance that enters the blood stream and is then off gassed through the lungs.... (while it also destroys the liver and brain cells)....
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That would still make it a relatively new movement in our countries history.
Henry Ward Beecher preached against alcohol starting around 1825
Charles Spurgeon began preaching against alcohol around 1855
D. L. Moody began preaching against alcohol sometime in the late 1800's
Is there not evidence that the early church preached against alcohol? It appears through history preachers preached against getting drunk and no so much about consumption.
I have read that the Temperance Movement began in the 1820s, rooted in Protestant churches, led by clergy and prominent laymen, and powered by women volunteers. I also read by the early 1900's they were having a real influence on alcohol demand and consumption. Groups like "The Total Abstinence Society, Founded in 1815), The Woman's New York State Temperance Society, (founded in 1852) by Susan B. Anthony and Mary C. Vaughn, the (The Salvation Army was founded 1865) by William Booth and The Woman’s Christian Temperance Union (founded 1874) were influential in starting the temperance movement.
That would still make it a relatively new movement in our countries history.
Henry Ward Beecher preached against alcohol starting around 1825
Charles Spurgeon began preaching against alcohol around 1855
D. L. Moody began preaching against alcohol sometime in the late 1800's
Is there not evidence that the early church preached against alcohol? It appears through history preachers preached against getting drunk and no so much about consumption.
If I had to come home every night to one of these women, it probably would drive me to drinkin! Just saying!
You mean if I drink liquor I don't have to kiss them!?
I hope you truly don't believe that of yourself...
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It may or may not be true that it's a "relatively new movement" . . . but those verses that you quoted (forgive me it it wasn't you, but I think it was) the other day, are not new. They're over two thousand years old.
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The temperance movement began in the late 1700s/early 1800s, yes. But for the most part, its original aim was, as the name suggests, temperance, not abstinence. For example, some societies called for abstinence from spirits, but not beer or wine, since they believed their lower alcohol content was conducive to moderation.
Temperance as prohibition, on the other hand, was a product of the late 19th century.
Drunkenness has always been a disgrace for Christians, and preached as such. Complete abstinence from all forms of alcohol, on the other hand, is a recent and minority position.
Perhaps I shouldn't have related my story about Bacardi 151 as ABCaines correctly stated that such is "foolishness" and I was in my teens as well so this was many, many years back! Such ABUSE of alcohol is most certainly sinful and shameful and I am ashamed of many things I have done in the past!
However, it is not the alcohol that brings about the rage and violence but the reason why such turn to drinking in the first place! We are so intent upon blaming "Things" as being sinful when the root problem is the total depravity of man's heart! This is one of the great problems within "Fundamentalism" to which you have had some exposure right? We think we are "OK" so long as we adhere to a prescribed set of external "standards" which serve to dress up the sepulchers which are filled with all sorts of unspeakable depravity!
Total abstinence from alcohol does not equate to biblical holiness!
Occasional use of alcohol with moderation and prudence does not equate to one being a "Drunkard" nor does it make one less holy or spiritual than the one who is totally abstinate. It truly is a matter of conscience. My desire for biblical fidelity trumps whatever personal position I may have regarding the use of alcohol!
And please remember that it is you and you alone who is responsible for your standing before God! You will not be able to stand before the Lord saying "You didn't elect me so I didn't believe!" You also will not be able to use the hypocrisy and inconsistency of his children as an excuse either (but I do apologize for where I have fallen short and hope you will forgive me). God has called you to repentance (the specifics which are between you and God) and to believe on his son.
I really wish I could say or do something that would convince you beyond any doubt that this is a very real matter but I understand that this is something only God can do so I leave this matter completely up to him! I hope you see my heart here that I truly desire to see you numbered with his elect!
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genetics also play a major part as to whether someone can even handle alcohol consumption or not...... ..i know i wrote about this once here before.... .. but historically native americans had no experience with alcohol before contact with europeans.... their bodies had never developed the genes and other body chemistry required to process alcohol..... . .. and that made them many times more susceptable to alcohol related illnesses and also quick addiction to it than europeans - (whose ancestors had consumed alcohol for at least 2000 years or more..)
lack of the ability to process alcohol also made native americans more prone to instant drunkeness with only a few sips of a spirited beverage.... or else it made them instantly sick....... .that could be one reason i had such a bad reaction to it.... and why the smell of it on someones breath is such an instant turn off for me today....
my mother was both a drug and alcohol addict.... ..but managed to stay as busy as she needed to be throughout most of the week.... but on saturday night she would go overboard to the point that by sundays morning she was so hopelessly passed out drunk that she couldn;t even be stirred until late that evening..... ......and it was on a sunday morning like that which i was able to slip away and ride a church bus to a sunday school with one of my friends.... that;s the day i was saved....
several times in my life something positive happened for me as a result of something negative going on with someone else... or in at least one case a tragedy happening to someone else... that one was drug related... .... ...i don;t like to dwell on those things thinking one would not have happened without the other... ...all i know is that they did happen together.... ..alcohol changes things... it changes people and also situations.... and for some the changes can start with the very first drink....
lack of the ability to process alcohol also made native americans more prone to instant drunkeness with only a few sips of a spirited beverage.... or else it made them instantly sick....... .that could be one reason i had such a bad reaction to it.... and why the smell of it on someones breath is such an instant turn off for me today....
my mother was both a drug and alcohol addict.... ..but managed to stay as busy as she needed to be throughout most of the week.... but on saturday night she would go overboard to the point that by sundays morning she was so hopelessly passed out drunk that she couldn;t even be stirred until late that evening..... ......and it was on a sunday morning like that which i was able to slip away and ride a church bus to a sunday school with one of my friends.... that;s the day i was saved....
several times in my life something positive happened for me as a result of something negative going on with someone else... or in at least one case a tragedy happening to someone else... that one was drug related... .... ...i don;t like to dwell on those things thinking one would not have happened without the other... ...all i know is that they did happen together.... ..alcohol changes things... it changes people and also situations.... and for some the changes can start with the very first drink....
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Thanks.
If indeed, I will stand before God, one day, I certainly will not be able to blame my life on anyone but myself; certainly not another christian. For whatever the reason: Satan who has blinded me, God who has not elected me or just my own stupidity, I do not believe in life after death. Therefore, I am not concerned.
However, if the Bible were truly to be the Word of God, and if there really were to be life after death, then despite my asking Christ to save me (which I did at one time), I still do not qualify for the Kingdom of God. In fact, according to Romans 1, God gave me up. According to I Cor 6:9, I will not inherit the Kingdom of God, belief or no belief. Mercifully for my peace of mind, I do not believe it to be real. If I did, I would absolutely go crazy. As I told you in a private message, I have not been sexually active in many years but that doesn't take away my orientation and what I did as a youth. And, if the Bible were to be His Word, He has turned his back on me and therefore, the theory of Election makes perfect sense to me.
John said that whosoever believed in Christ would have everlasting life.
But Paul said that salvation is a gift through faith and that not everyone would have the faith to receive that gift; that it is given to some.
I believe that the reason I don't believe in life after death is just because I don't. But I'm aware that it's possible that the reason I don't believe is because the "god of this world" blinded me once God turned his back on me.
On the one hand, I suspect very strongly that there is Someone higher than you and me; Someone who put this universe into play - whether through word or evolution. On the other hand, I suspect very strongly that is wasn't an angry god who after already getting it wrong with the rebellious angels that He had created, tried again with the rebellious humans who were just a little lower. I simply don't believe that. None of you have proof. All you have is faith.
And I don't have that faith - for whatever the reason.
I don't mean this post to anger you or to anger others who may be reading this.
I'll step away again, I guess. As has been pointed out, I really have no business in a place meant for believers, anyway. I came back several weeks ago because I truly wanted to know y'alls opinion on the demon issue after seeing a video by The Preacher Boy about that preacher, Greg Locke. Somehow, we got off on my personal salvation.
I wish you each the very best and actually, I'm really glad to have come back BECAUSE I made up with sweet Aleshanee and she forgave me for my unkind words of many years ago and so, it wasn't a wasted time here. And I very well may friend request you on FB since there's no roof over there to fall in.
But please put that liquor down . . . (running for cover)
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