Final Canonization

[Makahiya2028]

I think the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts are the most translated of all time.

Yes

The KJV Holy Bible is the most published, translated and read book of all time .

Wycliffe just finished celebrating about a week ago translating the Bible into 27 different language groups. I'm sure they used the Greek and Hebrew and not the KJV for their translations.

There are over 24 reconstructed N.T. Greek Texts

which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I think the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts are the most translated of all time.

Yes

The KJV Holy Bible is the most published, translated and read book of all time .

Wycliffe just finished celebrating about a week ago translating the Bible into 27 different language groups. I'm sure they used the Greek and Hebrew and not the KJV for their translations.

There are over 24 reconstructed N.T. Greek Texts

which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

and..... this means what?

 

[Makahiya2028]

I've conferenced with KJV Only Christians and was able to explain

that all scripture is given by inspiration of God .


Also, I have conferenced with Original Manuscripts Only Christians

and was able to explain that issue .

Well... begin explaining. To this point..... you haven't been very forth coming about your beliefs.

Sir, I posted a very precise statement in my opening post.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:


You cannot honestly state you have scripture if you believe
only the original manuscripts were given by inspiration of God.
There are no original manuscripts.


You cannot honestly say "the bible" or "all bibles" 
are given by inspiration of God.

There are over 400 (Christian, Catholic, Cult) Hebrew, Greek, Syrian, Latin,
German, English, etc. bibles which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.


You cannot honestly say "the N.T. Greek Text" or "all N.T. Greek Texts"
are given by inspiration of God.

There are over 24 reconstructed (Christian, Catholic, Cult) N.T. Greek Texts
which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

You cannot honestly state you have scripture if you believe
only the original manuscripts were given by inspiration of God.
There are no original manuscripts.

So what you're saying is that nobody has scripture anymore?  It's gone forever, and all we have now are corrupt texts?

Well, in a way, I agree with you.  No translation is perfect.  Not even the KJV.  But many are adequate. 

 

[FSSL]

I am not a KJV Only....

If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck.. it's a duck.

Until you tell us your position... this is our only logical conclusion.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Sir, I posted a very precise statement in my opening post.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:

Good for you. What you make of this is very important. "Precision" demands greater explanation. I can say a "cat" is a "feline" but this doesn't tell what "breed" or the mannerisms of that particular type of "cat". No need to be dishonest and pretend you already answered my question.

You cannot honestly state you have scripture if you believe
only the original manuscripts were given by inspiration of God.
There are no original manuscripts.

Sure I can. We have so many copies of the Scriptures from various languages and cultures throughout the various history of humanity, that we can honestly and sincerely say that we have a good handle on the vast majority of canonical texts. Are there uncertainties in certain small areas, YES. You can't HONESTLY ignore this fact.

You cannot honestly say "the bible" or "all bibles" 
are given by inspiration of God.

In their respective, said, entirety, NO. I can't say this. However, they do carry the full force of derivative Inspiration where they match that which was organically given.

There are over 400 (Christian, Catholic, Cult) Hebrew, Greek, Syrian, Latin,
German, English, etc. bibles which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

Again. I was "precise" in my definition of "bible". "Bible" means nothing more than a collection of writings. You're attempting to be dishonest in wrongfully narrowing the meaning of the word.

You cannot honestly say "the N.T. Greek Text" or "all N.T. Greek Texts"
are given by inspiration of God.

In their entirety? NO. In the majority. Yes.

There are over 24 reconstructed (Christian, Catholic, Cult) N.T. Greek Texts
which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

And.... you arbitrarily choice which ONE to rule them all?

 

[Makahiya2028]

oh, ok, thanks

 

[Makahiya2028]

You cannot honestly state you have scripture if you believe
only the original manuscripts were given by inspiration of God.
There are no original manuscripts.

1. So what you're saying is that nobody has scripture anymore?  It's gone forever, and all we have now are corrupt texts?

2.  Well, in a way, I agree with you.  No translation is perfect.  Not even the KJV.  But many are adequate.

1.  No

2.  Thank you, but that's not my theory of final canonization.

 

[Makahiya2028]

I am not a KJV Only....

If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck.. it's a duck.

Until you tell us your position... this is our only logical conclusion.

Sir, I am not a KJV Only and I am not an Original Manuscripts Only.

I think the purified text theory answers the questions of bible canonization

and the record theory independently answers the questions of final canonization.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I thought I had seen a similar "makahiya" handle before.

http://av1611godsword.yuku.com/topic/2434#.VTUJJWNWV8M

This explains much....

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Purified Text Theory

The words of the AV 1611 KJV Holy Bible are divinely transmitted,                                                             
(infallible, infinite, eternal) inspired, preserved, canonized and purified.

Psalms 12:6  The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

1.  O.T. Hebrew Original Autographs  1500 B.C. - 389 B.C.

2.  O.T. Aramaic Original Autographs, Daniel 2:4 - 7:28  607 B.C.,

3.  N.T. Koine Greek Original Autographs  40 A.D. - 90 A.D.

4.  Old Syrian Texts  100 A.D. - 200 A.D.

5.  Old Latin Texts  100 A.D. - 200 A.D.

6.  Reformation German Texts  1500 A.D. - 1560 A.D.

7.  Reformation English Texts  1382 A.D. - 1611 A.D.

You say you're not KJVO, but a poo by any other name would stink as sour. 

 

[Ransom]

Just a guess: Are you calling yourself "Makahiya2028" in honour of the 2027 previous forums that have probably booted you by now?

We have met before, and in case you are under the impression that people have forgotten your previous habits of posting repetitive nonsense and avoiding answering direct questions about your alleged academic credentials or your so-called theories, let me reassure you, I have not. As soon as I saw your name, you went on probation.

Consider yourself warned. We don't take kindly to spammers and other net.abusers.

 

[FSSL]

As admin... I support the moderator's position above.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

As admin... I support the moderator's position above.

As a forum hack, I support and appreciate the stance of our moderator and administrator! 

 

[subllibrm]

As a yankee interloper, I support Tarheels' support of admins support of Ransom.

 

[rsc2a]

As a son of the new South, I support the yankee interloper's support of Tarheel's support of admins support of Ransom.

 

[FSSL]

As the wandering Technomad admin, currently residing in a van by the river, in the deep South, your support of my support of my moderating colleague has been noted and appreciated.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

As a rogue tomato who is originally a Yankee and still roots for the baseball team of that name, I support the son of the new South in his support of the yankee interloper's support of Tarheel's support of admins support of Ransom.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

I've conferenced with KJV Only Christians and was able to explain

that all scripture is given by inspiration of God .


Also, I have conferenced with Original Manuscripts Only Christians

and was able to explain that issue .

Well... begin explaining. To this point..... you haven't been very forth coming about your beliefs.

Sir, I posted a very precise statement in my opening post.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:


You cannot honestly state you have scripture if you believe
only the original manuscripts were given by inspiration of God.
There are no original manuscripts.


You cannot honestly say "the bible" or "all bibles" 
are given by inspiration of God.

There are over 400 (Christian, Catholic, Cult) Hebrew, Greek, Syrian, Latin,
German, English, etc. bibles which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.


You cannot honestly say "the N.T. Greek Text" or "all N.T. Greek Texts"
are given by inspiration of God.

There are over 24 reconstructed (Christian, Catholic, Cult) N.T. Greek Texts
which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

And you cannot honestly say that Paul had in mind additional writings to the "inspired" canon than what had already been written in his letter to Timothy.

 

[Makahiya2028]

Please gentlemen, I said I think the purified text theory answers the questions

of bible canonization and the record theory answers the questions

of final canonization.


This is not a KJV Only position or a Original Manuscripts Only position.


I didn't say I believe it.


I completed graduate studies at both Catholic and Baptist Seminaries.

It was difficult to defend Sola Scriptura if I took the position

that only the original manuscripts were given by inspiration of God.


The central critical issue in academic theology is final authority.

Seriously, I'm just asking for help with this issue, sincerely.


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