For CCM? Please convince us FROM Scripture alone

[Bruh]

When we ask for chapter and verse it is absurd but when they ask for chapter and verse it is a well thought out educated.............

That's because when you demand chapter and verse, you're usually attempting to refute an argument that isn't being made. Probably, something to do with cannabis.

"Absurd" isn't quite the right word. "Absurdist," perhaps, is better, except that Waiting for Godot is even more entertaining than your weed screed.

Nothing wrong with a little ganja.................in moderation of course. 

You are making me laugh out loud, for real. 

 

[Bruh]

if my windows are rolled down

You should love that. Someone's marijuana might waft into your car.

No chapter and verse = o.k

 

[Bruh]

Hey, no issue with TobyMac daddy here.  I mean if you like to listen to a guy that wears skinny jeans and scarfs..........................  LOL!!! each his own I guess. 

Ha! Mac has NOTHING on Michael Jackson. Now excuse me while I crank up my ABBA album.

Well, if you want to ride that train, I guess you could.  But no MJ here. 

But if you insist MJ did not claim to make CCM.  And I definitely do not put MJ in front of my children or TobyMac daddy as well, not because of his music but I guess I want my children that are young men to act and dress like a man.   

 

[Bruh]

You demonstrated strong familiarity with MJ by posting his Man in the Mirror lyrics. Dont protest too much!

LOL!! o.k

You know why I posted it. 

 

[ALAYMAN]

I've enjoyed aleshanee handing folks their hats on this one, and particularly flushing out the inconsistencies of admin as he went trolling with chum.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=ItinerantPreacher]What I am getting at is that it is unethical to join a church with the intention of changing it, or I would join all the churches in town and make it my ministry to change them.

What an odd (not really but definitely un-Biblical) definition of church you are using here.

What definition am I using?
[/quote]

A very empty "corporate" one,  kind of like a PTA or sports team...nothing at all like the inter-dependent community of faith acting as one organism (thanks,  SC!) with a unified purpose as described in scripture.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Think I'll suggest a little thrash or death metal for the offeratory next Sunday since music is amoral and Scripture doesn't prohibit musical genres anywhere. It's cool to think that because Biblical principles can't have applications made without explicit prohibitions or exhortations linked to them.  Maybe a little Jimi Hendrix Purple Haze (Scuse me while kiss the sky, has some spiritual appeal to it eh?), or better yet some Zepplin....and she's buying a stair-waaaay, to heh-vunnnnn.......ROCK ON, ermmm, worship now,  DUDE!!!!

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

[quote author=ItinerantPreacher]What I am getting at is that it is unethical to join a church with the intention of changing it, or I would join all the churches in town and make it my ministry to change them.

What an odd (not really but definitely un-Biblical) definition of church you are using here.

What definition am I using?

A very empty "corporate" one,  kind of like a PTA or sports team...nothing at all like the inter-dependent community of faith acting as one organism (thanks,  SC!) with a unified purpose as described in scripture.
[/quote]What a baseless accusation . There is nothing in my post that would remotely suggest your accusation. Of course this is an internet forum, so you are not subject go scriptural rules regarding slander.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=ItinerantPreacher]What I am getting at is that it is unethical to join a church with the intention of changing it, or I would join all the churches in town and make it my ministry to change them.

What an odd (not really but definitely un-Biblical) definition of church you are using here.

What definition am I using?

A very empty "corporate" one,  kind of like a PTA or sports team...nothing at all like the inter-dependent community of faith acting as one organism (thanks,  SC!) with a unified purpose as described in scripture.

What a baseless accusation . There is nothing in my post that would remotely suggest your accusation. Of course this is an internet forum, so you are not subject go scriptural rules regarding slander.
[/quote]

"...join all churches in town..."

 

[Mathew Ward]

If they legitimately become members of a congregation, shouldn't they have a say?

Depends. Initially, no. I don't mean they don't get to vote, but when new people join, I remind them that they are joining us, not the opposite. I also explain what we are as far as a church goes, including music. If they want to join a CCM playing church, don't join here. No one is forced to join. What I am getting at is that it is unethical to join a church with the intention of changing it, or I would join all the churches in town and make it my ministry to change them.

In other words you want religious uniformity.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

If they legitimately become members of a congregation, shouldn't they have a say?

Depends. Initially, no. I don't mean they don't get to vote, but when new people join, I remind them that they are joining us, not the opposite. I also explain what we are as far as a church goes, including music. If they want to join a CCM playing church, don't join here. No one is forced to join. What I am getting at is that it is unethical to join a church with the intention of changing it, or I would join all the churches in town and make it my ministry to change them.

In other words you want religious uniformity.

No. Scriptural unity. Unity in doctrine which results in unity of practice. You don't have minimum requirements for membership?

 

[Mathew Ward]

If they legitimately become members of a congregation, shouldn't they have a say?

Depends. Initially, no. I don't mean they don't get to vote, but when new people join, I remind them that they are joining us, not the opposite. I also explain what we are as far as a church goes, including music. If they want to join a CCM playing church, don't join here. No one is forced to join. What I am getting at is that it is unethical to join a church with the intention of changing it, or I would join all the churches in town and make it my ministry to change them.

In other words you want religious uniformity.

No. Scriptural unity. Unity in doctrine which results in unity of practice. You don't have minimum requirements for membership?

I'm not sure what minimum requirements would be. Obviously for you it means religious uniformity.

Now if we are talking about Scriptural requirements for salivation, that would be a different story.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

If they legitimately become members of a congregation, shouldn't they have a say?

Depends. Initially, no. I don't mean they don't get to vote, but when new people join, I remind them that they are joining us, not the opposite. I also explain what we are as far as a church goes, including music. If they want to join a CCM playing church, don't join here. No one is forced to join. What I am getting at is that it is unethical to join a church with the intention of changing it, or I would join all the churches in town and make it my ministry to change them.

In other words you want religious uniformity.

No. Scriptural unity. Unity in doctrine which results in unity of practice. You don't have minimum requirements for membership?

I'm not sure what minimum requirements would be. Obviously for you it means religious uniformity.

Now if we are talking about Scriptural requirements for salivation, that would be a different story.

Acts 2:41

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

If they legitimately become members of a congregation, shouldn't they have a say?

Depends. Initially, no. I don't mean they don't get to vote, but when new people join, I remind them that they are joining us, not the opposite. I also explain what we are as far as a church goes, including music. If they want to join a CCM playing church, don't join here. No one is forced to join. What I am getting at is that it is unethical to join a church with the intention of changing it, or I would join all the churches in town and make it my ministry to change them.

In other words you want religious uniformity.

No. Scriptural unity. Unity in doctrine which results in unity of practice. You don't have minimum requirements for membership?

I'm not sure what minimum requirements would be. Obviously for you it means religious uniformity.

Now if we are talking about Scriptural requirements for salivation, that would be a different story.

Acts 2:41

1 Corinthians 5:1-7

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

If they legitimately become members of a congregation, shouldn't they have a say?

Depends. Initially, no. I don't mean they don't get to vote, but when new people join, I remind them that they are joining us, not the opposite. I also explain what we are as far as a church goes, including music. If they want to join a CCM playing church, don't join here. No one is forced to join. What I am getting at is that it is unethical to join a church with the intention of changing it, or I would join all the churches in town and make it my ministry to change them.

In other words you want religious uniformity.

No. Scriptural unity. Unity in doctrine which results in unity of practice. You don't have minimum requirements for membership?

I'm not sure what minimum requirements would be. Obviously for you it means religious uniformity.

Now if we are talking about Scriptural requirements for salivation, that would be a different story.

Acts 2:41

1 Corinthians 5:1-7

1John 9-10

 

[Mathew Ward]

If they legitimately become members of a congregation, shouldn't they have a say?

Depends. Initially, no. I don't mean they don't get to vote, but when new people join, I remind them that they are joining us, not the opposite. I also explain what we are as far as a church goes, including music. If they want to join a CCM playing church, don't join here. No one is forced to join. What I am getting at is that it is unethical to join a church with the intention of changing it, or I would join all the churches in town and make it my ministry to change them.

In other words you want religious uniformity.

No. Scriptural unity. Unity in doctrine which results in unity of practice. You don't have minimum requirements for membership?

I'm not sure what minimum requirements would be. Obviously for you it means religious uniformity.

Now if we are talking about Scriptural requirements for salivation, that would be a different story.

Acts 2:41

Since you are looking for uniformity of doctrine and practice it seems that those folks in Acts 2:41 wouldn't meet your minimum requirements to join.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

Struggling to post with cell, so I will forego the auote.

MW read verse 42. They continued in doctrinal unity, they were not doctrinaly divided.

 

[rsc2a]

Struggling to post with cell, so I will forego the auote.

MW read verse 42. They continued in doctrinal unity, they were not doctrinaly divided.

Do you also require everyone to sell everything they own and give it to the church so no one is without need?

I mean if you are going to use that as your go-to verse....


...or do you only care about the really important things like music and translation preferences?

 

[Mathew Ward]

Struggling to post with cell, so I will forego the auote.

MW read verse 42. They continued in doctrinal unity, they were not doctrinaly divided.

Would that be Bible doctrine or commandments of men they continued in?

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

Bible doctrine, but lets not suppose it was limited to the doctrines salvation, but included those of separation and sanctification.