For CCM? Please convince us FROM Scripture alone

[Darkwing Duck]

Well... what more can we say? These posters cannot recognize biblical themes. We have sure learned that they know their Ozzy, Barney and druggie songs!

I acknowledged that speaking life is a Biblical theme. You are the one refusing to acknowledge that loving one another is a Biblical theme . . .

 

[Mathew Ward]

that song clearly speaks of God....

The earth with its store of wonders untold,
Almighty, Thy power hath founded of old;

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Would this be Christian only or would Islam & Judaism ascribe to this also? 

 

[Mathew Ward]

that song clearly speaks of God....

The earth with its store of wonders untold,
Almighty, Thy power hath founded of old;

Would this be Christian only or would Islam & Judaism ascribe to this also?

[size=12pt]why don;t you tell me?....... i said the song speaks of God......... do they not also acknowledge the God of the old testament?....... i know some people who probably would not use it in worship because it fails to mention Christ... and that is their preference i would not criticize them for...... nor would i accuse them of being biblically illiterate or any of the other things admin has accused others of here who failed to bow down and worship at the sound of his toby mac music.......

frankly matthew ....... i;m surprised to see you taking his side in this....... i have always had a lot of respect for you as being someone who could see through the kind of word twisting and game playing admin is playing........ does the lure and thrill of ccm really have this kind of effect on people?.....

I'm not taking anyone's side. I have always found you to be fairly objective and accommodating to people.

But I think this topic is a very emotional one for you, as I said previously on the thread. Maybe one that is a little too close, imho.

I only chimed in, to what seemed against you, in order to have a third party point out to you what I saw was you applying one standard to Toby Mac while using a different one for the hymn posted. I figured it would be better coming from me.

Now if folks want to listen to and worship with traditional music, CCM (whether rap, blue grass, rock, hip-hop, country, classical, etc) they are all more than welcome to.

I have visited churches and preached in churches that played a style of music that I did not personally care for. But I saw my brothers and sisters in Christ singing to the Lord and that blessed my soul.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Admin: songs I like are Christian because they have Christian themes, other songs that have Christian themes are not Christian. I don't see a discrepancy.

Well... what more can we say? These posters cannot recognize biblical themes. We have sure learned that they know their Ozzy, Barney and druggie songs!

I acknowledged that speaking life is a Biblical theme. You are the one refusing to acknowledge that loving one another is a Biblical theme . . .

I refuse to acknowledge that the Barney Theme song is Christian. In fact, its inclusivism/pluralism is antiChristian. We are not all one happy family.

Your absurdity continues.

 

[.tim]

"Speak Life" reminds me of another song .... "Choose Life"

A choice is set before you now
Living or dying, blessing or cursing
You know, the time has come around
To turn from your fighting and rest in his mercy

Choose life, that you might live
The life that He gives, He gives you forever
Choose life, the way that it's true
From the One who chose you, your Father in heaven
Choose life

Trust the Lord with all your heart
All of your soul and all of your being
Hold on, listen and obey
Surrender your life into His keeping

Choose life, that you might live
The life that He gives, He gives you forever
Choose life, the way that it's true
From the One who chose you, your Father in heaven
Choose life

And the weight you're under
Will be lifted away and the world will wonder
What happened here today?
Then you'll stand right here and say

Choose life, that you might live
The life that He gives, He gives you forever
Choose life, the way that it's true
From the One who chose you, your Father in heaven
Choose life

 

[Frag]

.... you are doing nothing here but playing the same old game you have always played... twisting words and intentionally misrepresenting the words of others.....seeing what you want to see and making an argument where there is none...... then ignoring what is right in front of your eyes....... and you got plenty of responses about your inconsistencies.... you chose to ignore them........ just like you choose to ignore the truth now....

Wow.  That is the best description of the admin EVER..... 

....it's like......it's like you KNOW him! 


Inspiring...

 

[Frag]

I get woman liking CCM....


But men have to be a little light in the loafers to listen to more than 10 seconds of it.....

 

[subllibrm]

I get woman liking CCM....


But men have to be a little light in the loafers to listen to more than 10 seconds of it.....

Since you aren't able to define "it" your opinion is pretty much useless.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

Not ONE person, including you, have acknowledged that Proverbs 18:25 says the same thing as tobyMac's song. There exists a deep blindness of traditionalism that created a mighty busy thread. Might I say, "a discernment that is broken." I won't go so far as to say "beyond repair."

Admin, your a liar, and I think it is deliberate.

Quote from: admin on May 31, 2014, 09:20:53 AM

I am the only one who showed, using Scripture, that speaking life, hope and love is a Christian quality.

Unless you believe Buddhists and Muslims speak the same quality of life, hope and love, your feeble attempts to disregard the Scriptural themes have been interesting.

No, you quoted Proverbs 18:21 and then dismissed quoting anything else. You also never tried to show using scripture that speaking life, hope and love is a Christian quality. Let me quote again what you said.
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"The Bible tells us over and over that the tongue brings life and death...

Here is the most poignant verse. Prov 18:21 - The tongue has the power of life and death.
Thats the only scripture you used. So, no , you did not "show using scripture".
If I kept changing what I said, you would nail me to the wall for it. Admin, you keep changing what you said. You tried to nail aleshanee to the wall for making a broad statement, yet here you go making one yourself, and then back-pedal by trying to change what you said.

The fact that the scriptures teach those principles has never been the point. No one is saying that the scriptures don't teach principles of life hope and love. What some are trying to say is that the song does not, or more specifically the song does not say it in manner that is clearly scriptural. I believe it alludes to it, yes, but teaches it? No.

Quote from: admin on May 31, 2014, 09:20:53 AM
I am the only one who showed, using Scripture, that speaking life, hope and love is a Christian quality.

Unless you believe Buddhists and Muslims speak the same quality of life, hope and love, your feeble attempts to disregard the Scriptural themes have been interesting.
No, you quoted Proverbs 18:21 and then dismissed quoting anything else. You also never tried to show using
scripture that speaking life, hope and love is a Christian quality. Let me quote again what you said.
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"The Bible tells us over and over that the tongue brings life and death...

Here is the most poignant verse. Prov 18:21 - The tongue has the power of life and death.

That has never been the point. No one is saying that the scriptures don't teach principles of life hope and love. What some are trying to say is that the song does not, or more specifically the song does not say it in manner that is clearly scriptural. I believe it alludes to it, yes, but teaches it? No.

 

[Ransom]

I get woman liking CCM....

But men have to be a little light in the loafers to listen to more than 10 seconds of it.....

That's the ball game. Frag pulled the "you must be gay" card and lost the argument for the anti-CCM side.

 

[Holy Mole]

Not ONE person, including you, have acknowledged that Proverbs 18:25 says the same thing as tobyMac's song. There exists a deep blindness of traditionalism that created a mighty busy thread. Might I say, "a discernment that is broken." I won't go so far as to say "beyond repair."

Admin, your a liar, and I think it is deliberate.

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Are my pants on fire too?!  ???

Well, if you take a seat in a vat of aloe vera things will mysteriously feel a lot better.


[quote author=admin]

Okay... so, if I understand you correctly, you do believe that tobyMac is teaching what the Bible teaches. However, you do not see that Proverbs 18:25 is teaching the same thing.

Is that a fair representation of your thinking? If so, please give us what the Bible teaches if Proverbs 18:25 is not clear.

Asked and answered, several times, in fact,  but if you haven't got that yet by now it's quite pointless to try again.

Reading your responses reminds me of a Hyper-Calvinist version of "The Real Baptist"

 

[Holy Mole]

I concede that the Toby Mac song could not possibly be a better representation of Proverbs 18:25 :

which states:



;D

 

[Mathew Ward]

Perhaps. But then, I am the one who identified Proverbs 18 when I saw the lyrics. I am the only one willing to discuss what the Bible says about speaking life and hope. All other posters, including you, did not discuss what the Bible says.

See post 87

 

[Holy Mole]

Asked and answered, several times in fact,  but if you haven't got that yet by now it's quite pointless to try again.

Then if this was answered several times, give us the verses offered by others.

Your question does prove my point, thank you...though I didn't need you to make it so easy. ONCE AGAIN, nobody stated that "speaking life" was not scriptural..the argument was that it was a truth that was not exclusive to scripture!

You asked for examples in the writings of Buddha and the Koran(like they are the only two alternatives to scripture) to prove this.

I guess you must think Dr Phil is a Christian theologian then huh?

 

[FSSL]

Can anyone try smiting or greening me now?

 

[Holy Mole]

ONCE AGAIN, nobody stated that "speaking life" was not scriptural..the argument was that it was a truth that was not exclusive to scripture!

You don't read my posts...

The request I posted is: "If so, please give us what the Bible teaches if Proverbs 18:25 is not clear."

The verse is clear, so clear, in fact, that the ink on the page appears invisible. Please share with us what your Bible teaches in Pr 18:25

As far as who is not reading whom's posts?

You may want to check your pants again, emperor.

 

 

[FSSL]

tobyMac: So speak Life, speak Life.

NIV Prov 18: The tongue (speech) has the power of life.


Your turn. You said it is a biblical concept, now pony up some Bible, IF you can.

 

[FSSL]

read what you said in post 39..... first you said you weren;t certain if this was exclusively a christian principle...even said you didn;t know for certain if other religions taught it..... but since you didn;t know you weren;t going to make an issue of it...... RIGHT

but then in that same post... just a few sentences later.... you were suddenly quite certain it was exclusively christian......what.... ??? WRONGO!

You have difficulty with reading comprehension... Here is EXACTLY what I said...

Is this an exclusively Christian principal? I am not sure. The Koran never says anything like this. I don't find this teaching in Buddhism. But, not being that much of an expert on them, I will not make an issue of that.

Is this a Christian principle? Absolutely.

accusing me and others on the forum of seeing truth in the koran and the writings of buddha but being unable to see them in the Bible...........then accused us of being biblically illiterate and ignorant......

Well... since you disregarded Proverbs 18:21 and have not offered ANY Bible, what other sane conclusion can I make?

BTW: I said you were "ignorant" about tobyMac's music. Please do not continue to misquote me.

Sadly, this thread (other than Mathew's contribution) has been a showcase of traditionalists' familiarity with the secular instead of the spiritual.

 

[Mathew Ward]

tobyMac: So speak Life, speak Life.

NIV Prov 18: The tongue (speech) has the power of life.


Your turn. You said it is a biblical concept, now pony up some Bible, IF you can.

Instead of pony up bible, you should have said oops, my bad the reference was proverbs 18:21 not 18:25.

A soft answer...

 

[FSSL]

tobyMac: So speak Life, speak Life.

NIV Prov 18: The tongue (speech) has the power of life.


Your turn. You said it is a biblical concept, now pony up some Bible, IF you can.

Instead of pony up bible, you should have said oops, my bad the reference was proverbs 18:21 not 18:25.

A soft answer...

Thank you Mathew... I see the typo. Sorry for the confusion on that post.

Holy Mole... do you see it in Proverbs 18:21?