I am Hebrew Roots Ish....I can try to answer your questions.

[Hooper]

God gave man dominion over the garden. He was to care for animals.

Caring for the animals is not in opposition to using them as food. Adam was to care for the plants as well (Genesis 2:15), but I wouldn't infer from that, that he wasn't supposed to eat them. Quite the opposite, in fact (v. 16).

God designed man to remain healthy on plants and our teeth show us to be herbavores.

I wouldn't put too much stock in dental anatomy. Pandas are herbivores, but have the same teeth as other, carnivorous bears.

From the book of Enoch, we see it was the giants of the fallen ones who introduced meat eating.  It was disembodied Nephelim like Moloch that demanded a human sacrifice.

The book of Enoch holds no authority for me.

I think we all agree that when a Satanist kills a cow and eats its flesh and drinks it's blood we are disgusted.

And I think we all agree that when the same Satanist goes to the Keg and orders a ribeye, we are no more disgusted with him than anyone else - because there is, of course, a moral difference to be recognized between a religious ritual and a routine dinner.

On the other hand, why is it that God accepts Abel's offering of "the firstborn of his flock and of their fat portions" (Gen. 4:4), and not with Cain's offering of "the fruit of the ground" (v. 3)? Obviously, "their fat portions" implies that Abel's sheep were sacrificial.

Why does God instruct Noah to bring "seven pairs of all clean animals" on the ark (Gen. 7:2)? What is the distinction between clean and unclean animals? As we see in the Mosaic law, ceremonially clean animals were suitable for eating and for sacrifice. God was pleased with Noah's sacrifice of some of the clean animals (Gen. 8:20-21). If vegetarianism is called for, why does God explicitly permit "every moving thing that lives" (Gen. 9:3) to be food?

All bible references to animal sacrifice hold no authority to me.

 

[ALAYMAN]

All bible references to animal sacrifice hold no authority to me.

Why is that?  And what exactly does it mean?  How can the New Testament be properly understood without a basic grasp of the Old?

 

[cpizzle]

Honest question....

How do you decide what "scripture" holds authority and what part is in error.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Yes! I also believe in non-violent atonement.

Another good reason to believe you weren't actually atoned for.

Believe what you want. It doesn't affect what God thinks of me.

 

[Hooper]

All bible references to animal sacrifice hold no authority to me.

Why is that?  And what exactly does it mean?  How can the New Testament be properly understood without a basic grasp of the Old?

If you include Saul of Tarsus's letters, then I would say there are strong ties between the OT and the NT. But I do not believe God ever intended man to eat animals nor does He desire them to be sacrificed. Christ came to give us the gospel. His death was the result of those wicked men who have always existed and have killed the prophets of old.  Stories like when Christ multiplied the bread and fish, the fish is mentioned in the beginning but later it is left out and only the bread is mentioned, showing us that someone added the word fish to the texted. Christ came to end the daily sacrifice. It is also a pagan idea to think we need to eat His flesh and drink His blood. Human sacrifice is something that God mentions that He hates. Why would He sacrifice His Son as the pagans do? The changes made to scripture and the additions of the letters of Saul show us that Satan is very active in corrupting the simple minded. It is folly to announce that every word in a bible is perfect. We must be lead of the Spirit to see truth.

 

[Hooper]

Honest question....

How do you decide what "scripture" holds authority and what part is in error.

By asking the Holy Spirit to reveal it to me. It is surprising what you will learn when you seek it and are willing to accept what is given.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Honest question....

How do you decide what "scripture" holds authority and what part is in error.

By asking the Holy Spirit to reveal it to me.

And how is such gnostic mysticism any different than a Mormon's "burning bosom" experience and other such extra revelation?

As far as the vegetarianism, how do you rreconcile the priests of the OT being commanded to partake of the leftover sacrifices?

 

[Hooper]

Honest question....

How do you decide what "scripture" holds authority and what part is in error.

By asking the Holy Spirit to reveal it to me.

And how is such gnostic mysticism any different than a Mormon's "burning bosom" experience and other such extra revelation?

As far as the vegetarianism, how do you rreconcile the priests of the OT being commanded to partake of the leftover sacrifices?

My revelation is for myself. Others are required to do the same. I believe that the Israelites adopted human and animal sacrificing from the Canaanite culture. The error was grafted into OT scriptures. It was never Gods intention to put it in there. There is a reason why Christ seems so different from the God of the OT. Its because they are not the same. The true Father is not unlike the Son.  You need to be willing to admit that there are intentional mistakes placed into scripture to see it. You must understand where truth comes from and be secure in that union so you can be feed by Him and not mans interpretation of Him. In the Clementine Homilies, Peter was having a debate with Simon the magician. Simon, who was likely Saul of Tarsus, was pointing out OT scripture which put God in an unfavorable light. Clement was discouraged by this and later asked Peter about the charges. Peter answered him like this, he said, "what is more likely, that God was unjust or that mans accounting of the event was incorrect?" It is through this filter that I view all books, letters,  or scripture.

 

[ALAYMAN]

My revelation is for myself. Others are required to do the same. I believe that the Israelites adopted human and animal sacrificing from the Canaanite culture. The error was grafted into OT scriptures. It was never Gods intention to put it in there. There is a reason why Christ seems so different from the God of the OT. Its because they are not the same. The true Father is not unlike the Son.  You need to be willing to admit that there are intentional mistakes placed into scripture to see it. You must understand where truth comes from and be secure in that union so you can be feed by Him and not mans interpretation of Him. In the Clementine Homilies, Peter was having a debate with Simon the magician. Simon, who was likely Saul of Tarsus, was pointing out OT scripture which put God in an unfavorable light. Clement was discouraged by this and later asked Peter about the charges. Peter answered him like this, he said, "what is more likely, that God was unjust or that mans accounting of the event was incorrect?" It is through this filter that I view all books, letters,  or scripture.

Just curious, have you ever posted on any of the previous incarnations of the FFF?

Oh, and my revelation says yours is subjective and untrue.

 

[FSSL]

Someone take the scissors away from Hopper! He has totally destroyed his Bible.


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[Hooper]

Someone take the scissors away from Hopper! He has totally destroyed his Bible.

LOL, I've only physically removed Saul's letters.

 

[FSSL]

... and everything else in the Bible where people are eating meat.

Your Bible is a capricious mess


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[T-Bone]

Honest question....

How do you decide what "scripture" holds authority and what part is in error.

Clearly he is his own final authority...thus he denies anything he doesn't like...He is his own canon.  Which is shown in his denial of Christ's substitutionary atonement and his eternal lostness.

 

[Hooper]

Honest question....

How do you decide what "scripture" holds authority and what part is in error.

Clearly he is his own final authority...thus he denies anything he doesn't like...He is is own canon.  Which is shown in his denial of Christ's substitutionary atonement and his eternal lostness.

Incorrect. I don't make up truth, I am lead to it. A skill long lost on "bible believers". There are lots of things that I don't like. I don't get to change them but accept them. It is you and others like you that openly deny the gospel taught by the Messiah in exchange for the false gospel of Saul. There is no salvation by faith. To trust in that will get you to the wedding with no clothes. You really need to study the teachings of the Messiah a little more closely.

 

[Hooper]

... and everything else in the Bible where people are eating meat.

Your Bible is a capricious mess


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The "scripture" included in the cannon is only a part of the story. There are other books that bring better enlightenment, like Jasher and Enoch to name a few.

 

[Ransom]

All bible references to animal sacrifice hold no authority to me.

That's nice for you. And since you get to be selective about the parts of the Bible you are going to believe, I get to be selective about what Hebrew Roots blather I am going to believe. I'll start with none of it.

 

[FSSL]

I doubt those books enlighten you, either. You already claimed to be lead by a spirit... It is painfully clear what spirit that is.


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[Ransom]

By asking the Holy Spirit to reveal it to me. It is surprising what you will learn when you seek it and are willing to accept what is given.

So pure subjective opinion, in other words.

The Holy Spirit reveals to me that Hooper's revelation is complete nonsense. And I can say that with equal basis in fact.

 

[Hooper]

All bible references to animal sacrifice hold no authority to me.

That's nice for you. And since you get to be selective about the parts of the Bible you are going to believe, I get to be selective about what Hebrew Roots blather I am going to believe. I'll start with none of it.

Okay

 

[Hooper]

By asking the Holy Spirit to reveal it to me. It is surprising what you will learn when you seek it and are willing to accept what is given.

So pure subjective opinion, in other words.

The Holy Spirit reveals to me that Hooper's revelation is complete nonsense. And I can say that with equal basis in fact.

You are welcome to your opinion.